How do you build around 3 players making up 50% of Cap?

[kskboys]

Tell me a QB that carries their entire team?

Dwayne Johnson?

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Refusing to understand that we couldn't afford any FA's because of our spending is ignoring an even bigger reality.

No, they couldn't afford FAs because of how they choose to spend.

They could have afforded anyone they wanted this offseason.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

No, NFL franchises are overpaying undertalented QBs. Not hard to see. Unless you don't want to.

Overpaying is subjective. The market is the market, you just don't like it.

As a percentage of cap, QBs aren't making a lot more than they used to anyway. 10 years ago, in 2015, Drew Brees had the highest cap charge at QB - making 16.9% of the cap. Only 5 QBs have a cap % higher than that right now. Dak, in a rare cap circumstance, is only 21.5%. The 4-5% difference doesn't get you an impactful player, so there's effectively no difference.

 

[Flamma]

Overpaying is subjective. The market is the market, you just don't like it.

As a percentage of cap, QBs aren't making a lot more than they used to anyway. 10 years ago, in 2015, Drew Brees had the highest cap charge at QB - making 16.9% of the cap. Only 5 QBs have a cap % higher than that right now. Dak, in a rare cap circumstance, is only 21.5%. The 4-5% difference doesn't get you an impactful player, so there's effectively no difference.

Overpaying is not subjective. Every WR is not paid like AJ Brown and Justin Jefferson coming off their rookie contract. Same goes for every position except for QB. It could be Patrick Mahomes or Daniel Jones, you're paying close to top market value. It's a supply and demand thing. You'll pay top dollar for less quality because there is no other choice.

 

[TwentyOne]

how do other teams do it? are we the only team with 3,4 stars?

I think you are being a bit over dramatic.

They dont.

Check sportsrac. You will not find a team that spends +30% of their cap on 3 players.

 

[kskboys]

No, they couldn't afford FAs because of how they choose to spend.

They could have afforded anyone they wanted this offseason.

Not true.

 

[kskboys]

Overpaying is subjective. The market is the market, you just don't like it.

As a percentage of cap, QBs aren't making a lot more than they used to anyway. 10 years ago, in 2015, Drew Brees had the highest cap charge at QB - making 16.9% of the cap. Only 5 QBs have a cap % higher than that right now. Dak, in a rare cap circumstance, is only 21.5%. The 4-5% difference doesn't get you an impactful player, so there's effectively no difference.

I wish you would quit personalizing this. On a personal level, I couldn't care less what anyone makes. Why does a player's personal finance concern you? It's weird.

 

[jaythecowboy]

They dont.

Check sportsrac. You will not find a team that spends +30% of their cap on 3 players.

And neither will the Cowboys. The cap hits would be way lower.

 

[Diehardblues]

No, NFL franchises are overpaying undertalented QBs. Not hard to see. Unless you don't want to.

Yes, but why are they?

 

[Diehardblues]

Overpaying is not subjective. Every WR is not paid like AJ Brown and Justin Jefferson coming off their rookie contract. Same goes for every position except for QB. It could be Patrick Mahomes or Daniel Jones, you're paying close to top market value. It's a supply and demand thing. You'll pay top dollar for less quality because there is no other choice.

No choice if the QB has been enough to contend for the playoffs.

What I’d do is continue drafting QB’s so you don’t have to settle paying Market Price for less than Elite .

But once these teams think they have found their QB don’t want to use resources on another QB.

 

[Diehardblues]

No, they couldn't afford FAs because of how they choose to spend.

They could have afforded anyone they wanted this offseason.

Sounds like that’s what he was basically saying?

Poor spending didn’t allow them to afford more in FA. That’s how I interpreted it.

 

[Diehardblues]

And neither will the Cowboys. The cap hits would be way lower.

Yes, the title was just a reflection of what Jethro said based on their overall average per year deal versus Cap not actual Cap. No doubt a little misleading .

 

[Chasing6]

Yes, but why are they?

Simple supply and demand.

 

[Diehardblues]

Simple supply and demand.

Yes and how do you increase the supply so the demand isn’t as high?

 

[Diehardblues]

Franchises can continue drafting QB’s so they can be developing so they aren’t as dependent on settling and paying Market Price for less than Elite QB’s.

But they don’t. Most of them don’t . And I suspect is they don’t want the QB controversy.

They’d rather settle for their less than Elite QB and stop the drama and unsettling atmosphere it creates.

Franchise QB’s( elite or not) bring stability to a team to build around. And why teams are willing to overpay.

It’s a much better situation for them than continuing to look for a QB until they totally hit on an Elite QB.

 

[Chasing6]

Yes and how do you increase the supply so the demand isn’t as high?

Not by drafting running 1st QB's.

 

[Chasing6]

Yes and how do you increase the supply so the demand isn’t as high?

Not by drafting running 1st QB.

 

[Diehardblues]

Not by drafting running 1st QB.

Right but you draft QB’s and begin developing them.

Before the Cap era teams would have backup QB’s who could be starting elsewhere.

 

[Flamma]

No choice if the QB has been enough to contend for the playoffs.

What I’d do is continue drafting QB’s so you don’t have to settle paying Market Price for less than Elite .

But once these teams think they have found their QB don’t want to use resources on another QB.

You could go that route. But I don't think it's always bad to pay market value off of a rookie contract as long as he's a 1st round pick. You get 2 rookie years mixed in if you pay him early. The cap hits aren't bad for several years. See Trevor Lawrence. It's the 3rd contract that becomes problematic if he's not elite, because you have so much money back loaded.

 

[Diehardblues]

You could go that route. But I don't think it's always bad to pay market value off of a rookie contract as long as he's a 1st round pick. You get 2 rookie years mixed in if you pay him early. The cap hits aren't bad for several years. See Trevor Lawrence. It's the 3rd contract that becomes problematic if he's not elite, because you have so much money back loaded.

Of course but at some point you have to draft a replacement . You don’t wait until you have to start over . Why aren’t more teams doing this?