How do you build around 3 players making up 50% of Cap?

[big dog cowboy]

Yes and how do you increase the supply so the demand isn’t as high?

Lower the demand? Sounds impossible.

 

[Flamma]

Of course but at some point you have to draft a replacement . You don’t wait until you have to start over . Why aren’t more teams doing this?

It's like what you've mentioned before. They are content with just being good enough to make the playoffs. Teams have gone to the SB with QBs that aren't elite, but most of them, save for Stafford, are on rookie contracts.

 

[Chasing6]

Right but you draft QB’s and begin developing them.

Before the Cap era teams would have backup QB’s who could be starting elsewhere.

You draft QB's with a philosophy like Parcells. So you don't have a very steep development/learning curve.

Must be a graduate. Someone that takes things seriously and is responsible.

Must be a Senior for maturity and develop
in college.

Must be a 3 year starter with a minimum of 27 wins.

60%+ Completion %

2 to 1 TD/Int ratio

No 1 hit wonders.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

So, it's not about being a fan of the team for you. OK.

You're in over your head debating with me. Go finish playing your video game.

 

[Diehardblues]

You draft QB's with a philosophy like Parcells. So you don't have a very steep development/learning curve.

Must be a graduate. Someone that takes things seriously and is responsible.

Must be a Senior for maturity and develop
in college.

Must be a 3 year starter with a minimum of 27 wins.

60%+ Completion %

2 to 1 TD/Int ratio

No 1 hit wonders.

Great examples are 1989 drafting 2 QB’s in Walsh and Aikman. 1965 drafting Staubach and Morton when you still had Merideth.

It provides you draft capital as well. For Morton we received Randy White with draft pick from trade. Walsh 3 picks which delivered Erik Williams and Russell Maryland.

That’s not wasting resources over drafting for the most important position. It provides more choices. And if they both turn out good then you have draft capital.

 

[Diehardblues]

It's like what you've mentioned before. They are content with just being good enough to make the playoffs. Teams have gone to the SB with QBs that aren't elite, but most of them, save for Stafford, are on rookie contracts.

I don’t think Flacco was on Rookie deal . Or Brad Johnston. Eli wasn’t .

And yes, they are content with being good enough to make playoffs. Our owner has even admitted it with his maintaining “ relevance and interesting “.

It brings stability to a franchise even without winning championships or even making it to SB.

 

[Diehardblues]

Lower the demand? Sounds impossible.

It wasn’t before Cap era. And I’d argue if franchises chose to use more capital on drafting and developing QB’s they could over come the lack of supply.

I’m just not sure if franchises really want to solve the problem. They seem content over paying less than Elite QB’s.

No QB controversies . It delivers franchises stability .

 

[Beast_from_East]

They don't.

Other teams dont sign multiple stars to huge contracts

Well, lets look at the Miami Dolphins on Spotrac.

Tua........4 yrs............$212 million............AAV $53 million

Tyreek Hill..........4 yrs..........$120 million......AAV $30 million

Jalen Waddle......3 yrs..........$84.7 million......AAV $ 28.2 million

Bradly Chubb......5 yrs..........$110 million.......AAV $ 22 million

This is 4 guys whose AAV combined is $133 million..........But Dak at $55, Lamb at $35, and Parsons at $35 (total AAV is $125 million) cant be done.........I guess Miami never got the memo this is impossible to do.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Someone get Miami's cap cheat code.

Tua = 53mil AAV
Hill = 30mil AAV
Waddle = 28.5mil AAV
Chubb = 22mil AAV
Ramsey = 20mil AAV
Armstead = 15mil AAV
Sieler = 10mil AAV.

Oh wait, contracts vary in cap hit on a year to year basis?
The NFL salary cap is back to expanding at a good clip per year?
Restructuring? Extensions? Releasing under-performing players?
Is this in the CBA???

Yes, if Dallas signs all three they can't go all Madden and sign top free agents.
However, Dallas sits out free agency, and relies on the draft to restock players.
This issue is so overblown.

The 2010-20 core is going to be gone by next offseason outside of Prescott.
The Tyron, Martin and Law cap hits will be gone/dead-in the case of Martin and Law.

Dallas re-signed Steele and Diggs to favorable contracts with guarantees. They didn't restructure either deal this offseason.

Dallas has 64mil in cap space next year, with Dak's 40mil dead cap on the books along with Martin and Law's dead cap
By the time these three contracts come to roost due to backloading before or after restructuring the other bigger contracts on the team will be off the roster and their AAVs will no longer look so gawdy.

I just made the same point before seeing your post..................yeah, I am waiting for somebody to explain to me how Miami can do it but Dallas cant.

 

[Beast_from_East]

What team has 3 players using 50% of their cap?

Using AAV from Spotrac, the Miami Dolphins have 4 players whose AAV is equal to 52.1% of the 2024 salary cap.

Obviously the AAV is not the same as the cap hit, its staggered, but that begs the question of why cant Dallas make the AAV cap hits of Dak, Lamb, and Micah staggered as well or is it just Miami that is allowed to do that???

 

[DandyDon52]

I agree. Next question is which one ?

My first thought is nobody is winning SB’s with just a WR1.

But I know what the most popular response will be which won’t bring us any closer to advancing in playoffs or a SB, at least until we find another QB.

I would trade lamb, he isnt worth the money, and can be replaced with a good rookie next draft.
Plus dont forget you get the draft picks.

With dak, it is ok to sign him but only if there is no "no trade" clause in the contract ! otherwise let him play out this current contract or try to work a trade.
He just isnt worth 4 more years where u cant trade him.

 

[DandyDon52]

I just made the same point before seeing your post..................yeah, I am waiting for somebody to explain to me how Miami can do it but Dallas cant.

Miami is a "Mob" owned team?? They can do what they want.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Miami is a "Mob" owned team?? They can do what they want.

LOL

Good point!!!

 

[Beast_from_East]

This is what we are looking at if we resign Lamb, Prescott and Parsons.

Even our dysfunctional ownership has mentioned this in our 1st week at Training Camp.

I’m not sure any Franchise has ever attempted such a task?

We couldn’t build around them on Rookie contracts , how do you if they are about half of your Cap. I’m all ears people!!

You do realize that AAV is not the same as the actual cap hit, correct?

Dak can sign for $55 a year, Lamb for $35 a year, and Parsons for $35 a year as well and it will not even remotely be close to 50% of the salary cap.

You dont just add AAV together and divide by $255 to get a percentage of the salary cap, at least people that actually know what they are doing do not do this.

See Miami as an example, they have 4 guys who AAV is 52% of this years cap, but the actual cap hits are drastically less.............that is how competent teams operate, just adding up AAV and saying that is the cap hit is dumb.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

You do realize that AAV is not the same as the actual cap hit, correct?

Dak can sign for $55 a year, Lamb for $35 a year, and Parsons for $35 a year as well and it will not even remotely be close to 50% of the salary cap.

You dont just add AAV together and divide by $255 to get a percentage of the salary cap, at least people that actually know what they are doing do not do this.

See Miami as an example, they have 4 guys who AAV is 52% of this years cap, but the actual cap hits are drastically less.............that is how competent teams operate, just adding up AAV and saying that is the cap hit is dumb.

Thanks for that example, and you did not even include Jalen Ramsey!

 

[Flamma]

I don’t think Flacco was on Rookie deal . Or Brad Johnston. Eli wasn’t .

And yes, they are content with being good enough to make playoffs. Our owner has even admitted it with his maintaining “ relevance and interesting “.

It brings stability to a franchise even without winning championships or even making it to SB.

Flacco was drafted in 2008 I think. Won the SB in 2012. I don't know what contract he was on. But it doesn't matter, every QB you mentioned was before the new contract rules that started in 2011 I believe. Totally different system. You'd have to start with QBs drafted in 2011 and later.

Also keep in mind that all QBs are still on their rookie contracts for 4 years. 5 years if they have a 5th year option. This is regardless if they were given an extension previously. Burrow and Herbert are still on rookie contracts. Their extensions do not start until next year. Lawrence will be on a rookie contract for the next two years.

 

[kskboys]

Other teams dont sign multiple stars to huge contracts

Well, lets look at the Miami Dolphins on Spotrac.

Tua........4 yrs............$212 million............AAV $53 million

Tyreek Hill..........4 yrs..........$120 million......AAV $30 million

Jalen Waddle......3 yrs..........$84.7 million......AAV $ 28.2 million

Bradly Chubb......5 yrs..........$110 million.......AAV $ 22 million

This is 4 guys whose AAV combined is $133 million..........But Dak at $55, Lamb at $35, and Parsons at $35 (total AAV is $125 million) cant be done.........I guess Miami never got the memo this is impossible to do.

You missed the part about being a super bowl contender.

 

[kskboys]

Thanks for that example, and you did not even include Jalen Ramsey!

MIA isn't making super bowls. That's an example supporting the viewpoint that close to 50% of the cap on 3 players is too much.

 

[Diehardblues]

You missed the part about being a super bowl contender.

Im beginning to wonder if winning a Super Bowl is the priority but rather just gravy on top if it happens .

 

[Diehardblues]

You do realize that AAV is not the same as the actual cap hit, correct?

Dak can sign for $55 a year, Lamb for $35 a year, and Parsons for $35 a year as well and it will not even remotely be close to 50% of the salary cap.

You dont just add AAV together and divide by $255 to get a percentage of the salary cap, at least people that actually know what they are doing do not do this.

See Miami as an example, they have 4 guys who AAV is 52% of this years cap, but the actual cap hits are drastically less.............that is how competent teams operate, just adding up AAV and saying that is the cap hit is dumb.

Yes, I was just repeating what Jethro said. And how it was blasted in local media . I mentioned it in another post. Sorry if that was misleading.