How Should the Cowboys Handle 2nd Round Picks in the Future?

CowboyRoy

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Cowboys insiders have said for an awhile even before the draft that Laporta was their #1 ranked tight end. When everyone was wowing over Kincaid and Mayer people reported it was Laporta they liked. First round pick comes and Kincaid is there and Mayer and they chose Mazi Smith. IF you pay attention everything they've said it is right to this point. They liked Schoonmaker.

Guys consider a "reach" based on what guys like Mayock and Mel Kiper say. It's the dumbest thing. So these guys who watch highlights have more knowledge of a player than teams who spend millions of dollars on a scouting department? It's just dumb lol. Have y'all ever asked why guys like Mel Kiper aren't working for NFL teams?
So you dont really know anything, your just parroting what the "Cowboys Insiders" told you?

Whoever that is. LOL

I never took you for a blind homer, but what I am hearing from you right now is laughable homer nonsense.

So you dont know ANYTHING or have an opinion, you just trust what the FO does as always the right thing?

You cant be that niave?
 

CowboyRoy

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Cowboys insiders have said for an awhile even before the draft that Laporta was their #1 ranked tight end. When everyone was wowing over Kincaid and Mayer people reported it was Laporta they liked. First round pick comes and Kincaid is there and Mayer and they chose Mazi Smith. IF you pay attention everything they've said it is right to this point. They liked Schoonmaker.

Guys consider a "reach" based on what guys like Mayock and Mel Kiper say. It's the dumbest thing. So these guys who watch highlights have more knowledge of a player than teams who spend millions of dollars on a scouting department? It's just dumb lol. Have y'all ever asked why guys like Mel Kiper aren't working for NFL teams?
Cowboys insiders have said: Do you believe everything they say?
people reported it was Laporta they liked: LOL............do you believe everything you read?
everything they've said: Only a blind homer would believe what the FO always tell you.
Guys consider a "reach" based on what guys like Mayock and Mel Kiper say.: Guys, what guys? I never said anything about Mayock or Kiper? Didnt you just sit here and talk about "Cowboys Insiders"?
Have y'all ever asked why guys like Mel Kiper aren't working for NFL teams?: I dont give a sh!t what Mayock and Kiper say. Did you ever ask "Cowboys Insiders" why they dont work for NFL teams?
 

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We need to use the same formula we use drafting a player in the first round. We’re taking too many gambles in the second round, looking for players that have fallen due to injuries or off the field issues. It’s not paying off.
 

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This is not really a poll, I just wanted to read what others think.

2nd round picks have been somewhat problematic for the Jerry Jones era for the last 25 years. Gambles, fliers, and reaches on character and/or injury problem players.

The philosophy needs to change.

I'd just go B.P.A. from now on. Makes things much easier.

Heck, I'd be open to trades of 2nd round picks as a common practice.

The Wild-catter approach has bitten us in the butt too many times.
I'd say if they see a player they really like and need to move up in the first round.....go for it, trade the 2nd round pick to get there. If not, then just use it on a BPA and not get cute trying to "steal" an injured, dumb, troubled player who you thought slid from the first round. Gamble with your 4th or 5th round pick....not your 2nd.
 

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Two lesser TEs went off the board way before their 3rd round pick. Quit with that crap, it isn't true. Schoonmaker is an elite athlete that is also coming in as a top blocker who is a high character guy.
They telegraphed the Williams pick and still no one jumped ahead of them. They panicked with Schoonmaker, when the value was too pick at another position. Hope both picks work out, but I think both were picked earlier than they needed to be
 

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I've stopped responding to Schoonmaker posts. I'm all for people wanting other guys but it's how they go about it. Straight creating lies. The Cowboys did not reach for him according to their board I don't know why people don't understand that lol.
Their board maybe, I don't know, but they probably could have traded back and still got him.
 

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Looking at that list, it's actually better than I was thinking. Lee, Lawrence and Diggs were hits. Bennett, Carter, Awuzie, C. Williams were all solid contributors. Gregory and Smith were both high-risk-high-reward gambles who flashed but mostly frustrated. Escobar was blah. Hill's the one big bust in the last decade, with Joseph likely to make it two.

Second-rounders are far from a sure thing. As usual, people expect more from the draft than it actually delivers.

Edit: I wrote this before I saw the Sam Williams news.
Connor Williams was hardly a solid contributor. IMO
 

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This is not really a poll, I just wanted to read what others think.

2nd round picks have been somewhat problematic for the Jerry Jones era for the last 25 years. Gambles, fliers, and reaches on character and/or injury problem players.

The philosophy needs to change.

I'd just go B.P.A. from now on. Makes things much easier.

Heck, I'd be open to trades of 2nd round picks as a common practice.

The Wild-catter approach has bitten us in the butt too many times.
Quit drafting Michigan players in any round!
 

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The last 10 years has not been a good track record for second round picks. Too many reaches on oft injured players, players with character issues, and trying to outsmart all the other GM's by taking players that would still be there in later rounds. Jaylen Smith is a classic example of 2 of the 3.
 

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So you dont really know anything, your just parroting what the "Cowboys Insiders" told you?

Whoever that is. LOL

I never took you for a blind homer, but what I am hearing from you right now is laughable homer nonsense.

So you dont know ANYTHING or have an opinion, you just trust what the FO does as always the right thing?

You cant be that niave?
I don’t have an opinion? I’m telling you what this front office has said and it’s been proven true. I’d rather listen to Todd Archer or Bobby Belt than you. This team for what it’s worth has been rather honest about their draft. They admitted to wanting Paxton Lynch and Connor Cook. So do I think they have a reason to lie about Schoonmaker? Not at all. Why lie about wanting LaPorta? I’m “niave”’huh? Alright lol.
 

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just go bpa that is actually "avialable" - aka take players that will be suspended bc of character issues or have injury issues off the table.....pretty simple honestly
If we can figure it out, why can't they? It's a simple formula.
 

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I recommend Jerry stop looking for bargains in the 2nd round.

I'm tired of hearing, "He would have been a 1st round pick if weren't for........."

Sam Williams, Kelvin Joseph, Trysten Hill, Jaylon Smith, Randy Gregory, Martellus Bennett, Antonio Bryant, Quincy Carter, Tony Dixon, Dwayne Goodrich.....How many more is it going to take for Jerry Jones to realize the 2nd round is far too high a round to gamble?
 

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Since the Cowboys have been very successful drafting in the first round, I would use my 2nd round semi successful pick for trade up bait in the first round.
 

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1) I don't have an issue with the Cowboys using a 2nd round pick on a talented player that fell due to off the field concerns unless there's another player of equal talent level there.

2) I also don't have an issue taking a chance on a player thats coming off an injury provided theh didnt have a long track record of continued injuries.

Where I have concerns is rolling the dice on a player with meadurables that hasn't translated to the field/is so green its a total wild card. Or in situations where you have a player that over and over can't stay on the field..
 
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