CFZ How wide of a gap is there between the Cowboys from the 49ers/Eagles

[quickccc]

Take away homer thoughts, both the 49ers/Eagles last yr were clearly better teams then the Cowboys:

-Both teams were absolutely loaded personnel wise. Eagles lost arguably their best defensive player in Hargrave, who signed with the 49ers. Lost their coordinators on both sides of the football and now will be counting on several young prospects to make an impact. Eagles are quite like the Cowboy team, but still have better players inside the trenches on both side of the football. Eagles might see a little step back due to a lot unproven talent.

-The 49ers, in my opinion are a different animal, health remains a concern, along with their QB position. Will teams figure out Purdy? The same can be said about Hurts. Usually, when given an off-season, defensive coordinators will find weaknesses to exploit. Will they find away to overcome the so called 2nd yr jinx? How do teams successfully attack the 49er defense?

-Cowboys definitely can play with both teams, but they will need to play more clean and take advantage of their opponents mistakes. Still believe their is a gap. but not as wide as previous seasons.

Thanks for sharing

Imo, I didn’t consider Hargrove as Eagles’ best defensive player . Eagles got 18 sacks from Hasson Riddick

But you do make a great point with Eagles losing their OC and DC , which could make a huge difference – OC was “ huge” in transforming Jalen Hurts into a legit playmaker QB – that put them in the SB.

Can HC successfully replace those coordinators ? if so they continue their roll, .. if not they are set for a setback and fall from first place division and SB hunt

Niners have QB questions and durability issues but they always manage to work thru their injuries into playoffs while defeating Cowboys yet again to send us home.
Losing their 3rd QB finished them, .. but noticed how Niners transformed their young QBs into productive players both Hurt and Purdy.

Eagles and 49ers run the ball very well. ..that’s why we need to be great run stoppers – that’s why we cannot allow teams like this to “ Out Physical “ us. Took awhile but acquiring Hankins and Mazzi is the beginning. Now it’s up to edge guys LBs and depth guys

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Yeah I believe it was 9° weather too You don't want to get into a shootout with Aaron Rodgers but that kind of weather is running the ball weather and garoppolo did come away with a w I would have taken out if it was Dak.

dude, SF was the #1 seed.... the game was in SF@!!!! come on now!!! the game before in SF as well, he throw 19 times for only 131 yards. both games SF dominated on the ground. defense gave up 6 points...total in both games... let that sink in. 6 points in two playoff games!!! 3 point average. that's called defensive domination. I could have won those games.

 

[CowboysFanSince88]

There is a gap because Hurts is better than Dak

 

[quickccc]

Take away homer thoughts, both the 49ers/Eagles last yr were clearly better teams then the Cowboys:

-Both teams were absolutely loaded personnel wise. Eagles lost arguably their best defensive player in Hargrave, who signed with the 49ers. Lost their coordinators on both sides of the football and now will be counting on several young prospects to make an impact. Eagles are quite like the Cowboy team, but still have better players inside the trenches on both side of the football. Eagles might see a little step back due to a lot unproven talent.

-The 49ers, in my opinion are a different animal, health remains a concern, along with their QB position. Will teams figure out Purdy? The same can be said about Hurts. Usually, when given an off-season, defensive coordinators will find weaknesses to exploit. Will they find away to overcome the so called 2nd yr jinx? How do teams successfully attack the 49er defense?

-Cowboys definitely can play with both teams, but they will need to play more clean and take advantage of their opponents mistakes. Still believe their is a gap. but not as wide as previous seasons.

You may be referring to player personnel ... but I think the gap with eagles begin with their front office per GM Howie Roseman who thru his manuevers with both coaching, player personnel,
per NFL draft, clever trades and FA ..and salary cap operating

In terms of executive play, we are not on the Eagles level

Shanahan and Lynch operate that show in Niners land and again they are fueled by their defense and Shanahan misdirection run game... and they apparently not afraid to make the big trades ala McCaffrey

I think before the recent Cook/Gilmore trades, Cap boy Stephe' conservative nature usually restricts Cowboys from such trades and FA action that has lessen the impact of that over the top big move that could have fueled our own SB/NFC title game quests unless it's one of extreme desperate ala WR Amari Cooper...

 

[Ring6]

I think the Eagles have closed the gap to catch up with the Cowboys on paper, however, until they can actually beat the Cowboys with Dak playing (I think they are 1 - 7 lately), then I'll hold off on crowning them.

The 49ers yeah they did close the gap. Its dead even.

 

[SuperBowlz]

I think the Eagles have closed the gap to catch up with the Cowboys on paper, however, until they can actually beat the Cowboys with Dak playing (I think they are 1 - 7 lately), then I'll hold off on crowning them.

The 49ers yeah they did close the gap. Its dead even.

Some teams match up well with other teams. Dallas seems to match up great with Philly but it doesn't mean Dallas is better. How can you say a team that has been to the SB twice in 5 years and has 6 or 7 playoff wins to the Cowboys 1 isn't as good as Dallas?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Dallas split with the Eagles last year and were competitive.

I can make a clear case that the Cowboys have improved and the 49ers and Eagles have taken a step back.

Let's start with the Eagles.

They lost both starting S, both starting LB, both start DT -Joseph started over Davis due too bad play- and a starting G.

They replaced Hargraves with a top prospect in Carter but Hargraves is All Pro and that is a downgrade. Everyone wants to talk about Davis as if he is some savior but he was replaced midseason due to inconsistent play mostly centered around play strength. At best their DT depth is gone.

They replaced the G with a 2nd round pick so we will see.

They drafted one S in the third who is more athletic than developed. That means the replacement for the other spot is going to be replacement level.

It gets worse at LB where they are relying on last years backups to fill the void.

Smith is a nice defensive end but they are hugely problematic up the gut of their defense. Dallas fans don't need an explanation as to why that is a problem.

49ers are hard to gauge. Here is there VFA according to PFF:

Losses from the 2022 team include right tackle Mike McGlinchey, quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo, cornerback Emmanuel Moseley, defensive back Jimmie Ward, safety Tarvarius Moore, offensive lineman Daniel Brunskill, linebacker Azeez Al-Shaair and defensive linemen Charles Omenihu, Hassan Ridgeway and Samson Ebukam.

https://www.49ers.com/news/pff-free...e 2022 team,Hassan Ridgeway and Samson Ebukam.

Those are some talented names on the list particularly on the OL and secondary. They added All Pro Hargraves and a bunch of mediocre free agents. They essentially didn't have a draft with their first pick being at the tail end of the 3rd.

This is not the Rams from a few years ago and their VFA haul. It is a huge feast and huge famine.

They could be very good but they are counting on a whole lot of older players to hold on and band aids to fill out the roster.

The Cowboys lost Zeke, Schultz, Brown, and Brown. We kept Wilson.

Zeke was playing at a replacement level and while one may be concerned about the RB spot it is nothing new.

Schultz was replaced by a second round pick.

The Browns were hugely upgraded by Cooks and Gilmore.

Our relatively small FA losses also mean that players like Mazi and Overshown are straight gravy added to the roster improving over the status quo and the depth behind it.

Who know how it ends up on the field but I don't see how you can say either the Eagles and 49ers are clear frontrunners over us in the NFC.

 

[Rockport]

Take away homer thoughts, both the 49ers/Eagles last yr were clearly better teams then the Cowboys:

-Both teams were absolutely loaded personnel wise. Eagles lost arguably their best defensive player in Hargrave, who signed with the 49ers. Lost their coordinators on both sides of the football and now will be counting on several young prospects to make an impact. Eagles are quite like the Cowboy team, but still have better players inside the trenches on both side of the football. Eagles might see a little step back due to a lot unproven talent.

-The 49ers, in my opinion are a different animal, health remains a concern, along with their QB position. Will teams figure out Purdy? The same can be said about Hurts. Usually, when given an off-season, defensive coordinators will find weaknesses to exploit. Will they find away to overcome the so called 2nd yr jinx? How do teams successfully attack the 49er defense?

-Cowboys definitely can play with both teams, but they will need to play more clean and take advantage of their opponents mistakes. Still believe their is a gap. but not as wide as previous seasons.

You’re comparing last year’s teams. It’s a new season, with new players and coaches thus a new team. They’re all 0-0 right now.

 

[Hadenough]

dude, SF was the #1 seed.... the game was in SF@!!!! come on now!!! the game before in SF as well, he throw 19 times for only 131 yards. both games SF dominated on the ground. defense gave up 6 points...total in both games... let that sink in. 6 points in two playoff games!!! 3 point average. that's called defensive domination. I could have won those games.

The 2021 game was in GB.

 

[Cowboyny]

Thanks for sharing

Imo, I didn’t consider Hargrove as Eagles’ best defensive player . Eagles got 18 sacks from Hasson Riddick

But you do make a great point with Eagles losing their OC and DC , which could make a huge difference – OC was “ huge” in transforming Jalen Hurts into a legit playmaker QB – that put them in the SB.

Can HC successfully replace those coordinators ? if so they continue their roll, .. if not they are set for a setback and fall from first place division and SB hunt

Niners have QB questions and durability issues but they always manage to work thru their injuries into playoffs while defeating Cowboys yet again to send us home.
Losing their 3rd QB finished them, .. but noticed how Niners transformed their young QBs into productive players both Hurt and Purdy.

Eagles and 49ers run the ball very well. ..that’s why we need to be great run stoppers – that’s why we cannot allow teams like this to “ Out Physical “ us. Took awhile but acquiring Hankins and Mazzi is the beginning. Now it’s up to edge guys LBs and depth guys

Excellent point about stopping the run, but we also need to be successful running the football like those two teams are able to do. It takes pressure off their QB’s and keeps their defense fresh. Cowboys did an excellent job stopping the 49ers run game for 3 yards quarters until they ran out of gas playing too many snaps as the offense had too many three and outs. Being able to run and stop the run is the biggest key for this teams success next season, confident Dak will improve upon those inceptions but he can not carry the offense just on his arm.

 

[Cowboyny]

You’re comparing last year’s teams. It’s a new season, with new players and coaches thus a new team. They’re all 0-0 right now.

We have 3 games on our schedule next season against these 2 opponents, that will be the litmus test

 

[big dog cowboy]

It's mind blowing that they could never execute a simple screen over the last few seasons.

 

[SuperBowlz]

Dallas split with the Eagles last year and were competitive.

I can make a clear case that the Cowboys have improved and the 49ers and Eagles have taken a step back.

Let's start with the Eagles.

They lost both starting S, both starting LB, both start DT -Joseph started over Davis due too bad play- and a starting G.

They replaced Hargraves with a top prospect in Carter but Hargraves is All Pro and that is a downgrade. Everyone wants to talk about Davis as if he is some savior but he was replaced midseason due to inconsistent play mostly centered around play strength. At best their DT depth is gone.

They replaced the G with a 2nd round pick so we will see.

They drafted one S in the third who is more athletic than developed. That means the replacement for the other spot is going to be replacement level.

It gets worse at LB where they are relying on last years backups to fill the void.

Smith is a nice defensive end but they are hugely problematic up the gut of their defense. Dallas fans don't need an explanation as to why that is a problem.

49ers are hard to gauge. Here is there VFA according to PFF:



https://www.49ers.com/news/pff-free-agency-grades-49ers-contract-first-wave-hargrave-ferrell-darnold-oliver#:~:text=Losses from the 2022 team,Hassan Ridgeway and Samson Ebukam.

Those are some talented names on the list particularly on the OL and secondary. They added All Pro Hargraves and a bunch of mediocre free agents. They essentially didn't have a draft with their first pick being at the tail end of the 3rd.

This is not the Rams from a few years ago and their VFA haul. It is a huge feast and huge famine.

They could be very good but they are counting on a whole lot of older players to hold on and band aids to fill out the roster.

The Cowboys lost Zeke, Schultz, Brown, and Brown. We kept Wilson.

Zeke was playing at a replacement level and while one may be concerned about the RB spot it is nothing new.

Schultz was replaced by a second round pick.

The Browns were hugely upgraded by Cooks and Gilmore.

Our relatively small FA losses also mean that players like Mazi and Overshown are straight gravy added to the roster improving over the status quo and the depth behind it.

Who know how it ends up on the field but I don't see how you can say either the Eagles and 49ers are clear frontrunners over us in the NFC.

Linval Joseph didn't start over Davis because of bad play. They signed him when Davis got hurt. He didn't play a ton of snaps because the Eagles develop their young players and have a steady 5 man rotation at DT. I don't see Philly as problems up the gut? Cox (who has fell back a lot), Milton Williams, Jordan Davis and they landed the top DT in the draft.I agree with the rest though.

 

[quickccc]

Excellent point about stopping the run, but we also need to be successful running the football like those two teams are able to do. It takes pressure off their QB’s and keeps their defense fresh. Cowboys did an excellent job stopping the 49ers run game for 3 yards quarters until they ran out of gas playing too many snaps as the offense had too many three and outs. Being able to run and stop the run is the biggest key for this teams success next season, confident Dak will improve upon those inceptions but he can not carry the offense just on his arm.

What would help Dak cut down on the INTs, is if we get a better route runner than Michael Gallup, who year in/year out keeps sabotaging and busting these routes that leads to
a number of INTs. .. just becuz Gallop is cutting off, ..stopping short ., pulling up ..or confused about where he should positioned .. and CBs jump in front, or basically run the WR route for Gallup ..and thrown ball ends up in enemies hands for INTs. ..

That's another reason why I'm harping for Brandin Cooks to seize that No.2 role come Day 1 of the regular season. ..but I am preparing myself that Gallup is gonna cause his usual
share of INTs because of continuing blown and busted routes

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Linval Joseph didn't start over Davis because of bad play. They signed him when Davis got hurt. He didn't play a ton of snaps because the Eagles develop their young players and have a steady 5 man rotation at DT. I don't see Philly as problems up the gut? Cox (who has fell back a lot), Milton Williams, Jordan Davis and they landed the top DT in the draft.I agree with the rest though.

And when he came back from injury he was not playing well. Play strength was a concern.

Linval started when he came back and through the end of the season.

And at sitting the 13th pick for 'development.' Sounds like the mental gymnastics Cowboys fans used for Bobby Carpenter when he wasn't starting.

 

[Rockport]

We have 3 games on our schedule next season against these 2 opponents, that will be the litmus test

And I’ll be rooting for the Cowboys. Sounds like you won’t.

 

[ESisback]

What would help Dak cut down on the INTs, is if we get a better route runner than Michael Gallup, who year in/year out keeps sabotaging and busting these routes that leads to
a number of INTs. .. just becuz Gallop is cutting off, ..stopping short ., pulling up ..or confused about where he should positioned .. and CBs jump in front, or basically run the WR route for Gallup ..and thrown ball ends up in enemies hands for INTs. ..

That's another reason why I'm harping for Brandin Cooks to seize that No.2 role come Day 1 of the regular season. ..but I am preparing myself that Gallup is gonna cause his usual
share of INTs because of continuing blown and busted routes

I expect the INTs to drop, because Cooks’ speed will open up the field more; the presence of Deuce in tandem with Pollard will also help; and more designed runs/rollouts for Dakota should hasten more success as well.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The 2021 game was in GB.

omg, you are trying to spin so hard. I told you he threw 8 times in one game. 2019. now you are trying to spin into 2021 and two years later. still doesn't change the fact, that he played in a playoff game needing to throw the ball total of 27 times in two games and make it to the superbowl. the defense gave up total of 6 points in those two games.

and even in your cherished 2021 game he threw the ball 19 times against GB and their defense once against gave up 10 points. because their offense could only muster 13.

come on dude, you are trying to make grapolo into a hero and put an S on his chest. there is zero denying their defense won those games.

 

[Hadenough]

omg, you are trying to spin so hard. I told you he threw 8 times in one game. 2019. now you are trying to spin into 2021 and two years later. still doesn't change the fact, that he played in a playoff game needing to throw the ball total of 27 times in two games and make it to the superbowl. the defense gave up total of 6 points in those two games.

and even in your cherished 2021 game he threw the ball 19 times against GB and their defense once against gave up 10 points. because their offense could only muster 13.

come on dude, you are trying to make grapolo into a hero and put an S on his chest. there is zero denying their defense won those games.

But what you fail to realize is he did what Dak couldn't do. Dallas defense pretty much shut down the 49ers and Dak made mistakes along with failure to see wide open Hilton. Jimmy isn't some hero but hey he didnt lose the game.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

But what you fail to realize is he did what Dak couldn't do. Dallas defense pretty much shut down the 49ers and Dak made mistakes along with failure to see wide open Hilton. Jimmy isn't some hero but hey he didnt lose the game.

he did? how? he helped his defense keep the opposition to 3 points? wow. is he a two way player? its rare these days, but good for Grapolo. I assume he was either a saftey or CB.
so please reveal how the QB kept the opposition to 3 points, so we can all learn from you.

btw, it sounds like you are making wins and losses a QB stat. interesting.