Hunter to be traded to Jets

[Dat mans bro]

Getting any picks back is a blessing. There are alot of 2nd day gems that we could get. And now that our draft team has been over hauled in the last year. i hope we can find at least one of these. Good riddance to Hunter. In this league, you have to earn your playing time and there are no seniority rules.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Sounds like the same regrets that people had over Antonio Bryant, Derrick Ross and others.

If they are so good, why is Coach Parcells getting rid of them? All of them?

Talent and playing time are two totally seperate things. I think it's a little unfair of you to heard Bryant, Ross and Hunter all in the same mix.

I think your correct in the fact that all three had talent enough to play in the NFL. That, IMO, is not even questionable, but Ross and Bryant each had issues beyond football IMO. Not so with Hunter, so far as I am aware. Hunter was a good citizen while in Dallas. He caused no problems to speak of and he wasn't on the front pages of the News Papers. He is simply a guy who did not fit in with our long term plans. He is not a guy who does not have talent. If he were such, the Jets would not now be open to giving something up for him.

For the record, I did hate to see Bryant and Ross go, just as I hate to see Hunter go. It represents a failure, on our part, either in drafting or in developement. All of these players had ability. We couldn't make one of them work for us so that, IMO, doesn't speak well for our ability to develope. However, Hunter, more so then the rest. I think he was a kid who wanted to learn and succeed. Circumstances hurt him more, IMO, then did attitude or outside issues.

Like I said, I wish him well.

 

[Alexander]

We might as well get used to the idea that we're going to be getting rid of some players that we like... we just have too much new talent to keep all of them.

You got that right.

I don't understand why there is always lamentations when one of these fan favorites are cut or traded. It is like all of us amateur GMs just love to gripe because the player they think is so great because they made a few plays gets moved.

I doubt Coach Parcells is in the business of doing what is not in the best interests of his football team.

Try putting together a 53 man roster and you'll quickly see there are some tough decisions to be made. We're going to be cutting some players that can play in this league... and frankly, it's about time we we're in that position.

Here, here.

 

[Alexander]

Talent and playing time are two totally seperate things. I think it's a little unfair of you to heard Bryant, Ross and Hunter all in the same mix.

How so?

They were all "talented" players that we traded.

They were all backups when traded, were they not?

It occurs to me that we fans have given these players more credit than our own coaching staff did.

And think about this. All were completely healthy when released.

So wipe away any Jimmy Smith-type fears. That one instance has everyone thinking we will regret it. Like we haven't with Ross and won't with Bryant, this one won't come home to roost either.

Not so with Hunter, so far as I am aware. Hunter was a good citizen while in Dallas. He caused no problems to speak of and he wasn't on the front pages of the News Papers.

He refused to take a starting job that he could pretty much win in his sleep against who we had in competition.

And publicly complained that he was not being given a shot at cornerback. Then he changed his tune. That is not a team cancer, but it is not being a team player either.

For the record, I did hate to see Bryant and Ross go, just as I hate to see Hunter go. It represents a failure, on our part, either in drafting or in developement.

It is the drafting.

Coach Parcells is a Hall of Fame coach in waiting.

Yet fans are complaining because he is getting rid of the lame talent that Larry Lacewell and Jerry Jones drafted.

Does the fact that most of the players we drafted in the last five years are gone? Are we just failing to develop them or were they really not as good as we all thought?

All of these players had ability. We couldn't make one of them work for us so that, IMO, doesn't speak well for our ability to develope. However, Hunter, more so then the rest. I think he was a kid who wanted to learn and succeed. Circumstances hurt him more, IMO, then did attitude or outside issues.

Like I said, I wish him well.

Coach Parcells is trying to build a winner.

If Pete Hunter was a winner, he would still be here.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You got that right.

I don't understand why there is always lamentations when one of these fan favorites are cut or traded. It is like all of us amateur GMs just love to gripe because the player they think is so great because they made a few plays gets moved.

I doubt Coach Parcells is in the business of doing what is not in the best interests of his football team.



Here, here.

It is natural for fans to form this sort of associative view on players. I would even say that it's a good thing, to some extent. The biggest problem with the NFL right now, IMO, is that fans don't get a chance to root for players long term any more.

There is nothing wrong with pulling for a player to succeed. I just think you need to keep it all in context. You hope a guy can make it and if he doesn't, then you wish him well and move on. There's nothing wrong with that, IMO.

As for Parcells, well, I suspect he does share some of those same types of opinions. I suspect he does have his favorites and he pulls for others, more then some. It's only human to do so. The difference is that he can't let those things get in the way of good decisions.

There's a difference here. It's Parcells job to make these kinds of decisions. It's our job to be fans. We have that lattitude.

 

[kartr]

At least we got something for him. Sheesh. We usually just throw away our draft picks.

Exactly. And more productive ones at that.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

On one hand, I hate to see Hunter go (hopefully we'll get a 5th rounder in return). But, I can see why it happened.

The most probable scenario for Hunter this year was either him going in as a safety in the nickel package or perhaps playing the slot if Newman, Henry or Glenn went down. He really didn't want to do either and he's on his last year of his contract.

Plus, while Frazier showed some potential, so did Nate Jones who I thought came on strongly in the second half of the season playing the slot spot.


Rich............

 

[Alexander]

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As for Parcells, well, I suspect he does share some of those same types of opinions. I suspect he does have his favorites and he pulls for others, more then some. It's only human to do so. The difference is that he can't let those things get in the way of good decisions.

Coach Parcells' track record here supports him being right.

Where is Derek Ross right now, BTW?

There's a difference here. It's Parcells job to make these kinds of decisions. It's our job to be fans. We have that lattitude.

You are right. And I am glad we have Coach Parcells making those decisions and not fans like us.

 

[jay cee]

Losing a pick is what happens when the NFL punishes teams. Losing a pick means you don't get anything for it. We wouldn't lose a pick by drafting Crosby. We just spent it a year early.

Besides, the "we don't have enough picks next year" excuse is bogus. We have two 6th round picks. If we trade Hunter we'll have another Day 2 pick. We'll have more Day 2 picks than normal. I'm hoping by the time the 2006 draft rolls around we'll have reached a level talent-wise where late round picks have a difficult time making the club.

Thank you Inman. I have never understood that argument. what difference does it matter when you use the draft pick?
The key is to try and get value with that pick. If they use next year's 5th or 6th on a player that they like now, how can that be so bad?

Because of the flaws that those players have, I hope they would not use more than a 5th or 6th on them. But I don't think they are going to get a sure fire superstar, if they hold onto their 5th or 6th round picks until next years draft either.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Doesn't bother me one bit. Sure, Pete is big and fast in a straight line. He's been that way since we drafted him three years ago, and he's never shown much except getting repeatedly beaten when he had to play the nickel two years ago. I hate to tell him, but I wouldn't want him starting for my team until he learns to concentrate 100% of the time, which he probably won't do.

I guess that finishes out the cast that Parcells was sure would produce a good starter on the right side last year, Hunter and Jameel Powell. Maybe we should let Zimmer pick the corners from now on.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

How so?

They were all "talented" players that we traded.

They were all backups when traded, were they not?

It occurs to me that we fans have given these players more credit than our own coaching staff did.

And think about this. All were completely healthy when released.

So wipe away any Jimmy Smith-type fears. That one instance has everyone thinking we will regret it. Like we haven't with Ross and won't with Bryant, this one won't come home to roost either.



He refused to take a starting job that he could pretty much win in his sleep against who we had in competition.

And publicly complained that he was not being given a shot at cornerback. Then he changed his tune. That is not a team cancer, but it is not being a team player either.



It is the drafting.

Coach Parcells is a Hall of Fame coach in waiting.

Yet fans are complaining because he is getting rid of the lame talent that Larry Lacewell and Jerry Jones drafted.

Does the fact that most of the players we drafted in the last five years are gone? Are we just failing to develop them or were they really not as good as we all thought?



Coach Parcells is trying to build a winner.

If Pete Hunter was a winner, he would still be here.

No, I think some of these players were cut, straight out. No matter really, the point your trying to make is that they weren't winners, is that correct? Your saying that they were all healthy and that none of them were starting. Well, if you got a young player that is starting for your team, then you have a player and the chances of him being cut or traded are usually remote. This line of reasoning, IMO, has no bearing.

"Jimmy Smith type fear?" You do me no service here. I have been around footbal long enough to know that circumstances sometimes get in the way. I am not lamenting decisions made and I have no alter to the Released Cowboys set up in the corner of my office. I'm simply saying that it's a shame we could not put his talent to use, here on our team. Why would anybody feel deferently? That's only commen sense. I said earlier that I thought it was wrong to associate Hunter in with Ross or Bryant. I don't think there the same types of people. I don't know any of them personally so I could certainly be in wrong here but until I see something that would make me think otherwise, I am of the opinion that Hunters issues are not the same as Ross' or Bryants.

I don't know that the FS was his job but I suspect he was in the best position to get it. I would point out that most of these NFL players are just that, players. They are not rocket scientist or brilliant theologians. Hunter probably should have looked at the situation and realized that his best opportunity lie in competing at FS. He didn't and I can't judge him to harshly for that. He would not have gotten to where he is at had he not believed in himself. He believes he can be a corner. I think FS was his best bet but who am I to tell him that. In truth, as a young man, many people told me I could not do some of the things I have been fortunate enough to accomplish in my life. I would not want to be the one to tell young people they can't do things. If he feels thats what he wants to do, then good luck to you. It's his choice.

As for the complaining, I don't know that I would call it that. He voiced his opinion and gave reasons to support his position. That's not a bad thing in my mind. Again, wrong decision IMO but certainly not the end of the world. These people are young. They are, for the most part, in there early 20s. It is easy for me to sit back and realize they might not be making the best possible decision but I have the advantage of being much older and not in there shoes, so to speak. When I was there age, I'm sure I probably could have made better decisions on some things. It's a part of life.

I could probably point to any HOF coach and find decisions made that were probably in error. If your human, your going to make mistakes. Parcells may be a HOF coach but I suspect he would be the first person to agree with this. I'm not saying that Parcells has made a mistake here. On the contrary. I'm saying that just because Hunter has been traded does not mean he can't be a good player for another team. What's more, I hope he does because I really liked the guy.

He didn't fit in with our long term plan. Doesn't mean he's a villan. Only that he will have to continue his career else where.

 

[31smackdown]

I liked Hunter, but when you look at it, where was he going to play? Most of his picks seemed to come in zone coverage, but he didn't want to play FS. And I don't remember him being a special teams ace either, so he has no real additive value.

He didn't want to ride the bench and be a backup, which is fine, but there is no way he was starting in front of Henry, Glenn or Newman and I thought Frazier played well considering the circumstances and could be a good nickle guy with his toughness and quickness. We don't even know if Bruce Thornton has anything and Nate Jones played decent in his first year or at least wasn't the glaring weakness like so many other corners were before him. And as mentioned before all of these other guys have more special teams value, which means more total plays and we all know Parcells theory on requiring a certain amount of snaps for a player to be worth bringing to a game.

This is a good move if it goes through. get the value while it's there and develop the young guys.

I'm guessing it may be a 7th with a condition to become a 6th with playing time.

 

[Waffle]

Remember...Parcells loves to remind us about players and the "Tom Landry Rule."

Not only was Hunter past that three year window, but he was allegedly unwilling to switch positions and accomodate the coach's wishes. I can't say I'm the least bit surprised by the move.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Coach Parcells' track record here supports him being right.

Where is Derek Ross right now, BTW?



You are right. And I am glad we have Coach Parcells making those decisions and not fans like us.

Who is it that you think your arguing with here? I can only conclude it to be yourself.

Ross really has no business in this discussion. The fact that you continue to interject him in it suggest there is something else at the heart of your discontent other then just Hunter.

I will say this again so that everybody is very clear on the matter. I am not questioning the decision made by Parcells. If you can point out anywhere I have done so, I would like for you to do so now.

Hunter simply did not fit our plans. It is not more complicated then that. I liked Hunter and he does not deserve to be vilified on this board, simply because he wants to be a CB in the NFL, IMO, but I'm sure it will happen.

I have said and I continue to believe that Hunter could actually be going to a better situation for him personally. I think Edwards can help him and New York might be a better fit. Time will tell. Either way, I wish we could have developed him into the kind of player his skills suggest. It is difficult for me to see how anybody can find objections in that.

 

[JakeCamp12]

I think Bill is trading Pete because he likes the kid and wants him to succeed. He must not see him making the roster, and wants to put him in a situation where he could stick and be successful. If he didn't care about the kid, he would just let it play out and cut him after training camp. Trading him before camp starts give Pete an opportunity to learn the defense and go to camp with the Jets.

 

[Dallas4ever]

I was hoping to get a chance to see Hunter compete for a role but Bill may use Hunters' $650,000 to sign another safety. Signing Pete Hunter relatively cheap this off season was veteran insurance until Aaron Glenn became available. Parcell's wasn't high on Hunter even before he got hurt last year.

 

[Cbz40]

might also be a move in anticipation of using a late rd pick today in the supp draft..we'd be forfeiting our own pick I believe, but getting a late pick for Hunter offsets that loss...

David

Ummmmmmmmmm!!!! You may be correct.

 

[Hostile]

I don't think there is a significant difference between Hunter and the other corners we have.

No team in the NFL goes four deep.

Our fourth cornerback needs to be able to do something besides play corner.

Can Hunter return punts like Frazier? No.

Can Hunter return kicks like Reeves and Nate Jones. No.

Now if he would play safety, that changes things. He turned down that opportunity.

He bought his own ticket out of town when he balked at playing safety.

Good riddance and thank goodness we got a draft choice. I just hope it is not conditional.

You said it.

 

[Alexander]

Ross really has no business in this discussion. The fact that you continue to interject him in it suggest there is something else at the heart of your discontent other then just Hunter.

Ross is relevant because he, along with Hunter, Bryant and most of the players drafted pre-Parcells are gone.

Not just hurt. Not on the practice squad.

Gone. Off the team.

That shows that we had no idea what and whom we were drafting. Yet fans are complaining because we have gotten rid of players they were familiar with.

I liked Hunter and he does not deserve to be vilified on this board, simply because he wants to be a CB in the NFL, IMO, but I'm sure it will happen.

I have a problem with a player who puts himself before the needs of the team. We need a FS and he refused to comply. I have a big problem with that.

 

[cannonball44]

A thought that may be overlooked:

Chris Canty was gotten in late round four.

if we give Hunter up for another four, maybe that could mean more "canty's"