I actually have a beef with Parsons

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Doesn't matter, but you are not discussing as well as taking diagonal directions on everything discuss. Personality has nothing to do with, but weird is nothing more than an insult.
I started off with rejecting that he needed to be an armed services NCO standard of leadership to be an effective difference maker. Sorry but I do think that. You then started getting weird.
 

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I started off with rejecting that he needed to be an armed services NCO standard of leadership to be an effective difference maker. Sorry but I do think that. You then started getting weird.
Not even close as the leadership issue and reference of standards were at issue. That falls on the focus of leadership which you still do not acknowledge or even place a relevancy, not on the military, but function required to be top shelf. That is still the fact in the NFL. Once in a generation affect many things on both sides of the ball, but to dominate on the defensive side of the ball requires a top notched leader and the linebacker connects the play of the defensive line with that of the secondary.

That function determines exactly how an opposing offense attacks that defense. The leadership or lack of with in the linebackers. Why? Because both run and pass determine outcomes of games.
 

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facts don't also need a crapload of personality when discussed. Not just poster put down.

You still haven't come clear on just what leadership involves. Apparently you don't know the actual practices and how it is developed. That is WHAT has be described and that is leadership by players...not selection of film staring a player, but building of a quality team.

Your failure is in coat tailing instead, a star and not how great teams are in the final line, built!

I was a Senior NCO and an NCO for 19 years in the Army. You show you have no real clue about what I am talking about, which are classes for attendance for all NCO's in each of their careers...Sorry Charlie.

Next start talking and insulting about being a Veteran when you boil it down. You'll just be wrong again on issue!

Couldn't answer the several questions presented to You, and then cop out further and say that is weird. No, you aren't doing a discussion and just attempt to walk off into the sunset...laughing and having a party. Thank you Patsy Cline.

Answer some of the questions and see where a real and football relevant discussion goes with real and relevant issues included...some of those are good team building and being able to identify that development.

Ever hear about Eric Dickerson? Let's see...that takes knowledge about GREAT players. That player was a special talent and a running back. With the Rams, he helped them beat the Cowboys, by the way...The Rams were beat by the Bears, who had a GREAT defense. Who led that team's defense, guy? Against Washington, Darrell Green, from Texas A&I, caught him from behind in Dickerson's last years with the Rams in a playoff game.

But now, that's based on 'weird' stuff...carry on!

CCboy, I don't normally interfere in your conversation about Parsons. However, I always see you type about your service and I am proud of you for that. However, do like to communicate with veterans because there are a lot of folks that are not patriots and have their own thoughts, which is alright with me. So God bless you. I can relate.

As for me just so everyone reads this, I went from a catcher in baseball all through high school and one year at UNM. I went into the Army as a young athlete, I went through the TET offensive in 1968, and came back a broken young man, but I picked myself up. But, I guess what I'm trying to say is, don't use your service as being right because people that have never served will understand your comm. Parsons gonna get after that enemy.
 

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Not even close as the leadership issue and reference of standards were at issue. That falls on the focus of leadership which you still do not acknowledge or even place a relevancy, not on the military, but function required to be top shelf. That is still the fact in the NFL. Once in a generation affect many things on both sides of the ball, but to dominate on the defensive side of the ball requires a top notched leader and the linebacker connects the play of the defensive line with that of the secondary.

That function determines exactly how an opposing offense attacks that defense. The leadership or lack of with in the linebackers. Why? Because both run and pass determine outcomes of games.
LT was anything but a leader, particularly by Army standards, and he completely disproves your assertion.
 

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Also given the structure of a NFL roster, the role of squad leader is analogous to the position coach.
 

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CCboy, I don't normally interfere in your conversation about Parsons. However, I always see you type about your service and I am proud of you for that. However, do like to communicate with veterans because there are a lot of folks that are not patriots and have their own thoughts, which is alright with me. So God bless you. I can relate.

As for me just so everyone reads this, I went from a catcher in baseball all through high school and one year at UNM. I went into the Army as a young athlete, I went through the TET offensive in 1968, and came back a broken young man, but I picked myself up. But, I guess what I'm trying to say is, don't use your service as being right because people that have never served will understand your comm. Parsons gonna get after that enemy.
I actually have a tone of respect for military leadership tradition. Therein are core values like honor, duty, and courage that I hold myself.

I am just saying that a football team is not an infantry company and the players do not need to meet military standards for success.
 

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Just look to see if the defense retains top position accountability and aggressiveness.
He's widely considered one of the top handful of defenders in the league. I'm going to go ahead and put my name on the line and say he's been worthy of a 1st round pick.
 

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He's too much new school and too much of a 'sweet' player to take full control of the Cowboys defense.

Old School linebackers: Lawrence Taylor, Harry Carson, Willie Lanier, Mike Singletary, Ray Lewis...they are not specialized besides effectively being immediately aggressive. They were in the play before they were blocked. Parsons gets blocked a lot, and isn't nearly as dominating as old school linebacker was for their team. That was five players who met every inch of the requirement. He better commit more within himself and less into talking about it. Do it!
Your beef must be avenged!
Let us meet at midnight. Perry's Pool Services. (Me jitney will be there without the flashing green lights.)
Dark clothing, no colognes, use the restroom before we embark. That is all.
 

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This is stupid and unfounded.
Lawrence Taylor was a notorious drug abuser that would consistently miss practice and similarly display a me first attitude.

He not only was one of the most dominant defenders ever, he was a difference maker on a championship team. He is even one of the examples of previous greats you gave in your OP.
 

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A squad is five...and this is ignorant.
The WR is 5 people. The safeties 4 or 5.

Sure there are positions that go longer but on average it is pretty close to 5. It's certainly more analogous than platoon size.
 

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He's too much new school and too much of a 'sweet' player to take full control of the Cowboys defense.

Old School linebackers: Lawrence Taylor, Harry Carson, Willie Lanier, Mike Singletary, Ray Lewis...they are not specialized besides effectively being immediately aggressive. They were in the play before they were blocked. Parsons gets blocked a lot, and isn't nearly as dominating as old school linebacker was for their team. That was five players who met every inch of the requirement. He better commit more within himself and less into talking about it. Do it!
Takes two to have a Beef... so you just sound like a Hater... :rolleyes:
 

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Why can't the position coaches, who are already responsible for looking after and teaching groups of 2-10 men, take on the NCO role?
 

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CCboy, I don't normally interfere in your conversation about Parsons. However, I always see you type about your service and I am proud of you for that. However, do like to communicate with veterans because there are a lot of folks that are not patriots and have their own thoughts, which is alright with me. So God bless you. I can relate.

As for me just so everyone reads this, I went from a catcher in baseball all through high school and one year at UNM. I went into the Army as a young athlete, I went through the TET offensive in 1968, and came back a broken young man, but I picked myself up. But, I guess what I'm trying to say is, don't use your service as being right because people that have never served will understand your comm. Parsons gonna get after that enemy.
Not motivation at all. First, Sir, thanks for your service. The 26th Infantry was at the Cambodian border area.

As to military experience, leadership development was the point - not service. The leadership elements are highly developed so that recognition of individual leadership ability is trainable and actually through long sustained study, have become very good as well as applicable in variously sized levels...equal to positional groups, offensive and defensive units, as well as team level evaluations and direction. Just like in service, accountability rests as well as start of each top level of those groups.

The difference in the Viet Cong and the American is that the Viet Cong attempted to win by beating the specific technique used. The Americans won because they used the principal behind the situation. That is what occurred with the Air Force 'Mafia' that developed the jet technique of avoiding surface to air and then circling back around, picking up the tracking vehicle and taking it out, and then taking out the launch vehicle. That was often in Cambodia, who was not 'in the war.'

Those pilots were teaching pilots, post 1975, those very techniques when Congress started to have them arrested and put in prison for being in violation of Johnson's Presidential orders.

That set of principals later became the very policy of our Air Force in Desert Storm and why our Air Force was able to dominate the skies in Iraq. Fact, but principal of leadership was the issue as is leadership in service, or a football team. That gives the most dominant use of resource and individuals.

If leadership is not followed then events dictate outcomes and direction becomes much more muddled than developed. It on a success level is not arbitrary success limited, but principal controlled on outcomes.

The very same applies to the Cowboys and now with a Jerry controlled, but a McCarthy led team.

I am rooting for a linebacker, and that takes quality leadership and not just once in a decade talent. The linebacker group directs a team's defense in principal...not just highlight talent but leadership.

I want to see Parsons become a great leader as all top defenses, notice it or not, have.
 

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Why can't the position coaches, who are already responsible for looking after and teaching groups of 2-10 men, take on the NCO role?
One doesn't attempt to come to grips with the function.

...why 2-100 people for any consideration than feeding them come meal time?
 

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One doesn't attempt to come to grips with the function.

...why 2-100 people for any consideration than feeding them come meal time?
Take what I said before and substitute function for role.

I am beginning to find you disingenuous.
 

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Take what I said before and substitute function for role.

I am beginning to find you disingenuous.
Size is not the factor but unit function...here it's the defensive side of ball.

Either use the function of leadership or take a 1,000 people and attack a strategically prepared position and get beat. Same with leaderhip principals in football,

You have no functional idea of truth here and operate on the level of just waching and nothing directing more than a highlight reel.

Wrong doesn't authorize you to then start tossing insult about. You don't want to listen, I won't do the work to explain the actual why's behind team building and success.... :popcorn: :facepalm:
 
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