I am backing Wade, but stats dont lie...

[Frozen700]

We were aggressive against Detroit too!

That game was fun to watch!

Unleash this defense Wade!

Haha very funny.....

 

[superpunk]

We were aggressive against Detroit too!

That game was fun to watch!

Unleash this defense Wade!

You mean so we can see more plays like this? Get our ***** handed to us by hank Baskett and Mike Furrey?

It can work, and it should work - just as the play above SHOULD have worked. Poor execution prevented it from doing so.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

They gave up big plays in the passing game, not hte running game. That can be corrected with better secondary coverage. If Hamlin (sp?) pans out a FS and we have a true QB in the secondary who can cover, then we'll be lights-out better than SD in the secondary. That's because we already have 2 CBs who can cover man-to-man and do it well. So with 2 capable CBs and a true FS, with Roy in the box, we can be dominating.

By hte way, this was the case with the 90s defense. Dallas would turn the front 4 loose putting pressure on the secondary to cover man-up, and they were so good at it (Kevin Smith and Larry Brown - and Deion after Kevin Smith) that they were just ball hawks back there. Woodson was also left to cheat up to the line of scrimmage, and it was good coverage-FSs like Thomas Everett - and James "Drive-by" Washington after Everett - that allowed for Woodson to be tuurned loose up front.

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You can not compare this team with the 90s team. The 90s teams were a product of a dominating offense. This defense can not afford to take chances like that team did. We are also not as deep as that team was. It's a mistake to think that we can play the way they did, and expect the same type of results. The Chargers were 1st, over all in rushing defense last year. They we're 12th in pass defense. That's respectable but not great. I understand the concept but it's inevitable IMO. If your going to bring pressure with the blitz, which is what Phillips does, then you have to leave something open. The CBs for San Diego may not be All Pro calibur but they are also not as bad as they are made out to be. It's hard to play on an island all the time. Jammer is not nearly as bad as he's made out to be. Over the past couple seasons, he has improved. Florence is also coming into his own. I don't love there safeties but then again, I don't love ours either so we'll have to see how that goes.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

and San Diegos Defense in all aspects wasnt much better than ours last year.Just look at nfl.com stats page.They actually allowed a good deal of points.The offense is what made them 14-2.Maybe Wades style will work with us better.

Sacks have an extremly high correlation to winning in the NFL, especially in the regular season. Wade may very well be the best in the game at getting his defenses to sack the QB as his defenses have averaged 44.3 sacks in his past 20 seasons serving as either a head coach or D-Coordinator.

However, I've done some research and found that points allowed has a decent correlation to winning, but not nearly as strong as sacks. But where points allowed really starts to come into play is in the postseason. Footballoutsiders.com did a study that basically found the same situation. Furthermore, 46 of the last 48 teams to go to the Super Bowl finished in the top 8 in points allowed.

I think what it boils down to is that Wade will generally succeed in the regular season. But the one big factor his teams have to overcome is giving up the big play/allowing points. And that's why he has a 45-35 career record which is solid, but has yet to win a playoff game.

OTOH, Parcells/Zimmer's style is more condusive to exceeding in the postseason because it focuses on controlling the ball and really making the opposing team earn everything get. However, it has to overcome the fact that the players are less likely to make the big play like a sack or a turnover because they are put in less of a position to do so.

I think it's likely Wade will do well in the regular season here as everywhere he's gone they've been able to bring down the QB which usually leads to turnovers and a better chance of winning the turnover margin. However, the success in the postseason will likely rely on the ability to contain the big play. While Zimmer's/Parcells style generally makes for better postseason success, I'd rather get to the postseason first and at least give the Cowboys a shot at reaching football nirvana.





YAKUZA

 

[DandyDon]

My two cents worth -
We gave up alot of big plays last year, so the way I figure it, is if we're gonna give up big plays, I would rather give them up by gettin' after the quarterback than to sit back on defense and watch the other team get the big play anyway. We may even get some big plays in our favor out of the deal......

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Forget the stats and forget the predictions.

This defense may not be a HUGE improvement over what we saw for the majority of last season... but it sure as heck will be A LOT MORE FUN TO WATCH!!!!

I won't have to sit there just getting seriously ticked off because we're so predictable and bland that its just boring to watch and boring for our players.

I think one of the factors that people don't consider is that NFC teams have not really seen a defense like Wade's.

Dallas is the only full time 3-4 defense in the NFC and under Parcells/Zimmer it was so predictable. As your vids have pointed out, the blitzing schemes are wildly different. I think for at least 2007, there's going to be a lot of adjustments that the opposing NFC teams are going to have to make.





YAKUZA

 

[InmanRoshi]

I think what it boils down to is that Wade will generally succeed in the regular season. But the one big factor his teams have to overcome is giving up the big play/allowing points. And that's why he has a 45-35 career record which is solid, but has yet to win a playoff game.

This is my fear. Blitzing is great in the regular season against sub-par and mediocre offenses who don't execute at a high level consistantly. But once you get into the playoffs and you face off against good QBs who quickly process information and find the open WR, playing behind well coached-disciplined OLs who consistently pick up the blitz and our secondary is dead meat. Troy has always said that in the 90's there was nothing he loved more than a team that tried to blitz their offense, it just made things easier for him. You take the best defenses of all time, and they are generally not complicated defenses. They executed a simple scheme at an extremely high level. The key word being "execute". Our defenses of the 90's were not complicated defenses, nor did they utilize a lot of blitz. Check the sack numbers of our LB's and S's during that era. Heck, the Tampa 2 is about the most basic scheme in the history of the game.

 

[AdamJT13]

I think what it boils down to is that Wade will generally succeed in the regular season. But the one big factor his teams have to overcome is giving up the big play/allowing points.

One interesting stat is that the Chargers allowed only five touchdowns of more than 20 yards last season -- the second-lowest total in the league. The NFL average was 9.4, and we allowed 12. Four of San Diego's long TDs allowed were passes (also second-lowest), the NFL average was 7.8, and we allowed 10.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

This is my fear. Blitzing is great in the regular season against sub-par and mediocre offenses who don't execute at a high level consistantly. But once you get into the playoffs and you face off against good QBs who quickly process information and find the open WR, playing behind well coached-disciplined OLs who consistently pick up the blitz and our secondary is dead meat. Troy has always said that in the 90's there was nothing he loved more than a team that tried to blitz their offense, it just made things easier for him. You take the best defenses of all time, and they are generally not complicated defenses. They executed a simple scheme at an extremely high level. The key word being "execute". Our defenses of the 90's were not complicated defenses, nor did they utilize a lot of blitz. Check the sack numbers of our LB's and S's during that era. Heck, the Tampa 2 is about the most basic scheme in the history of the game.

The one thing we have, that San Diego didn't from last year, IMO, is better talent at receiver. To me, the key is controlling TOP and limiting TOs. To me, TOs are the biggest factor in determining who's going to win, regular season or post season. The fact that we have Witten and TO is key to me. San Diego had nobody in there offense who could physically dominate the opposing defense and consistantly move the chains. LT was key for them because they used him in place of a Big WR or TE. Gates is an excellent receiving TE but he's not like Witten. To me, if we can limit our TOs and win TOP, we can allow our defense to succed. Canty and Spears are huge this year. You can say it was scheme or whatever but in the end, the truth of the matter is that our DEs got there butts wihipped more times then they should have last year. They have to show up this year for us to be succesful on defense.

 

[Vintage]

Gates is an excellent receiving TE but he's not like Witten.

Explain.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Explain.

Witten and TO are physical mismatches for anybody they face. They can physically impose there will on an opposing player. Gates is not that kind of TE. He's more an H-Back type TE. Your not going to get the move the chains type game out of him. He's going to challenge you vertically and that is a dangerous thing but he's not going to be the guy who has 7 catches for 80 yards and 6 1st downs that you need to be an effective ball control team, IMO.

 

[jimmy40]

The one thing we have, that San Diego didn't from last year, IMO, is better talent at receiver. To me, the key is controlling TOP and limiting TOs. To me, TOs are the biggest factor in determining who's going to win, regular season or post season. The fact that we have Witten and TO is key to me. San Diego had nobody in there offense who could physically dominate the opposing defense and consistantly move the chains. LT was key for them because they used him in place of a Big WR or TE. Gates is an excellent receiving TE but he's not like Witten. To me, if we can limit our TOs and win TOP, we can allow our defense to succed. Canty and Spears are huge this year. You can say it was scheme or whatever but in the end, the truth of the matter is that our DEs got there butts wihipped more times then they should have last year. They have to show up this year for us to be succesful on defense.

If I wanted to move the chains I'm picking Gates/LT over Witen/TO every day.

 

[zeromaster]

Well a couple of things jump out from this here that might be a little off but what the hell...

• Parcells/Zimmer defenses in the postseason in Dallas: meh.
• comparing Dallas 90s defenses to now when the cap was introduced in '94, and our last win was in '95

Based on what few brain cells are still functioning, it still appears that those teams that had dominating defenses since then (eg., Baltimore, Tampa, Chicago) were far from intimidating on the offensive side of the ball.

These days, you have to give up something somewhere, it's just a matter of what it'll be.

Corrections encouraged.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Jim Johnson doesn't run a 34, but he still blitzes like crazy and that got the Eagles to what, four straight NFC Championship games? I'd call that pretty good postseason success.

And I still think Wade did about as well as anyone against Brady last year. Wasn't it three picks for them? (Or did that last one where the safety was stripped not count as an INT?)

Point is, everyone knows there's no one way to play this game. But this one has historically worked pretty well. And even if the results are roughly equal, I'm ready to see some hits on the QB.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

If I wanted to move the chains I'm picking Gates/LT over Witen/TO every day.

If I wanted to move the chains, I'm picking LT over anybody else to. However, Gates is a small part of that equation IMO. I mean, if your giving me my options, then yeah, I'll take LT and you can pretty much have the rest. I'll get a so, so TE to fill in. Unfortunatly, I don't think you can give me that option so you have to look at other ways to do it. For us, it's use of the TE and Owens to the middle of the field.

 

[theebs]

Witten and TO are physical mismatches for anybody they face. They can physically impose there will on an opposing player. Gates is not that kind of TE. He's more an H-Back type TE. Your not going to get the move the chains type game out of him. He's going to challenge you vertically and that is a dangerous thing but he's not going to be the guy who has 7 catches for 80 yards and 6 1st downs that you need to be an effective ball control team, IMO.

oh my god what?

Have you ever watched gates, He is incredible. He takes the ball away from defenders in crowds, he catches the ball high, low and/or behind him and he is the biggest vertical threat at tight end in the league.

Witten is pretty much my favorite player on the team, I wouldnt trade him for anything except gates is the superior athlete and is the better tight end.

When gates wants to be he is uncoverable.

 

[juck]

one thing we have to consider i guess most importantly is the players themselves,and i do believe we have the more talented defense than sandiego.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

oh my god what?

Have you ever watched gates, He is incredible. He takes the ball away from defenders in crowds, he catches the ball high, low and/or behind him and he is the biggest vertical threat at tight end in the league.

Witten is pretty much my favorite player on the team, I wouldnt trade him for anything except gates is the superior athlete and is the better tight end.

When gates wants to be he is uncoverable.

Perhaps you should read the thread. Then, maybe you can understand what I'm trying to say. Nobody is argueing the point of Gates and his ability to challenge a defense vertically. In fact, I've already said as much. You would know this if you had read a bit more. I'm talking about ball control offense, of which, Gates is not suited.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

one thing we have to consider i guess most importantly is the players themselves,and i do believe we have the more talented defense than sandiego.

There defensive front seven is better then ours, IMO.

Castillo, Williams, Olshansky, Phillips, Cooper, Wilhelm and Merriman

is better then,

Spears, Ferguson, Canty, Ellis, James, Ayodele and Ware.

There much better on the defensive line then we are, IMO. Canty and Spears just have to step up.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

This is my fear. Blitzing is great in the regular season against sub-par and mediocre offenses who don't execute at a high level consistantly. But once you get into the playoffs and you face off against good QBs who quickly process information and find the open WR, playing behind well coached-disciplined OLs who consistently pick up the blitz and our secondary is dead meat.

Perhaps. But Wade's defense got the worst playoff game ever out of Tom Brady and it's a defense similar to what Baltimore has and they got a horrible game out of Peyton Manning.

And running the cover 2 doesn't mean that it's a safe defense. The Bears are a perfect example as they blitz quite often and use a ton of 8 in the box. Even the Colts could be put in a similar category as their defense revolves around getting to the QB at all costs. They do it with little blitzing, but they still instruct their D-Linemen to shoot up the field as quickly as possible and use a ton of stunting and a ton of 8 in the box.

Both philosophies have worked well in the NFL, but they also have their own set of weaknesses. If Wade can get the QB pressure like he has everywhere he's gone and can manage to diminish the points allowed, Dallas is very likely to have a very good team. If not, that's going to be the team's Achilles Heel.




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