I changed my mind about the trade

[AsthmaField]

You guys are forgetting that Dallas scouted Lance a ton during that draft. I remember reports coming out talking about Dallas trading up to get him out drafting him if he fell to them.

It's not like they had no information on Lance and Jerry just did a drunken trade.

I think Lance is going to be a starter in this league and play very well. Depending on the Dak contract negotiations, Dallas will get a high draft pick by trading Lance or a high comp pick after letting Dak go to free agency.

It's a win win for Dallas. For the life of me I don't understand the hate/dislike for this trade

Some people just hate everything Jerry has a hand in. It is important to note that they feel that Jerry has a hand in everything the franchise does… which is how we get one variety of fans who are always negative about everything. These people are Dallas fans (or used to be) but hate Jerry so much that they can’t really pull for the team to do well… although they all say they want that.

Of course there are others who are just rival fans giving negative thoughts on everything Dallas (every football forum has some variation of these people). They usually say everything Dallas does is dumb.

Those two segments make up the vast majority of fans that hate this trade, IMO.

What is funny is that most of these people, if Dallas drafts a guy in the 4th round, will say that the guy is no good because he’s just a 4th round pick. Many of them also say that you have to keep searching for the most important position (QB) every year.

Now suddenly, that 4th round pick Dallas gave for Lance is way too valuable to give for a QB, lol.

The reality is that giving a 4th for a 23 year old QB drafted 3rd overall, who is very physically talented and many just think he needs more time is a very good risk/reward at the most vital position in the sport. Frankly, I don’t really see any way to be upset about this trade. If he busts then no big deal. If he hits, it’ll be huge for the franchise no matter if he starts in Dallas or is eventually traded elsewhere.

IMO, it says more about the people who are upset at this move, than it does about the franchise making this move.

 

[DuncanIso]

Listening to Jerry it sounded like his goal was to make the deal before SF got on the phone with someone else. There wasn’t time to talk it out like a committee. This was pure deal making, plus he would know the draft grade they had them and what coaches thought of him coming out of college. I don’t know why he’d need to talk to everybody to get a 1st or 2nd round talent to replace your 3rd string QB.

Dak is going to be replaced.

I can think of 200 million reasons why.

 

[DuncanIso]

Lance is here as someone to possibly take over the reigns after Dak. I feel like they want Dak in the organization in some form or fashion and they are giving him a taste of coaching. They probably extend him for a couple of years, have him mentor Trey Lance in the meanwhile. If there's a spark there, then they will shift Dak over to being an OC and have Lance be the new QB

No extension.

I think people are still in denial.

Why spend 200 million when you have your next starter already on the roster?

It’s not like Dak has been going to Pro Bowls or winning playoff games.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Dak is going to be replaced.

I can think of 200 million reasons why.

Thats the thing your not getting the 200 million isn't working FOR your statement, not the next 2 years for sure....now 2025 with some adjustments then maybe there is a chance.

 

[CowboyFrog]

No extension.

I think people are still in denial.

Why spend 200 million when you have your next starter already on the roster?

It’s not like Dak has been going to Pro Bowls or winning playoff games.

yes there are people in denial for sure, are there any mirrors around you currently?

 

[Captain-Crash]

Some people just hate everything Jerry has a hand in. It is important to note that they feel that Jerry has a hand in everything the franchise does… which is how we get one variety of fans who are always negative about everything. These people are Dallas fans (or used to be) but hate Jerry so much that they can’t really pull for the team to do well… although they all say they want that.

Of course there are others who are just rival fans giving negative thoughts on everything Dallas (every football forum has some variation of these people). They usually say everything Dallas does is dumb.

Those two segments make up the vast majority of fans that hate this trade, IMO.

What is funny is that most of these people, if Dallas drafts a guy in the 4th round, will say that the guy is no good because he’s just a 4th round pick. Many of them also say that you have to keep searching for the most important position (QB) every year.

Now suddenly, that 4th round pick Dallas gave for Lance is way too valuable to give for a QB, lol.

The reality is that giving a 4th for a 23 year old QB drafted 3rd overall, who is very physically talented and many just think he needs more time is a very good risk/reward at the most vital position in the sport. Frankly, I don’t really see any way to be upset about this trade. If he busts then no big deal. If he hits, it’ll be huge for the franchise no matter if he starts in Dallas or is eventually traded elsewhere.

IMO, it says more about the people who are upset at this move, than it does about the franchise making this move.

 

[Established1971]

Watching Jerry's sideline interview, I get the impression this was all hammered out while SF was on the phone waiting for an answer.

It was a smart move, so if Jerry "went rogue", he gets all the credit.

It's a move that has very little chance of diminishing the team, but a realistic opportunity of improving it.

I dont see how this improves the team

 

[Shane612]

Tell me what that looks like this year, what exactly does replacing Dak in 2023 look like for this team and its cap moving forward? I'm not even talking about how silly it sounds expecting Trey Lance to outplay Dak right now just money wise show me a apath.

He didn't say it would happen this year, did he?

 

[Shane612]

I dont see how this improves the team

So you want instant gratification?

 

[Runwildboys]

I dont see how this improves the team

Do you see how it might, if he ends up living up to his initial potential?

 

[kevm3]

No extension.

I think people are still in denial.

Why spend 200 million when you have your next starter already on the roster?

It’s not like Dak has been going to Pro Bowls or winning playoff games.

Because we have zero idea of what we have in Trey Lance and there's nothing he's shown where we can assume he's our next starter

We haven't been outside of the 2nd round in nearly 30 years, so to put that on the shoulders of Dak isn't fair.

 

[Runwildboys]

Some people just hate everything Jerry has a hand in. It is important to note that they feel that Jerry has a hand in everything the franchise does… which is how we get one variety of fans who are always negative about everything. These people are Dallas fans (or used to be) but hate Jerry so much that they can’t really pull for the team to do well… although they all say they want that.

Of course there are others who are just rival fans giving negative thoughts on everything Dallas (every football forum has some variation of these people). They usually say everything Dallas does is dumb.

Those two segments make up the vast majority of fans that hate this trade, IMO.

What is funny is that most of these people, if Dallas drafts a guy in the 4th round, will say that the guy is no good because he’s just a 4th round pick. Many of them also say that you have to keep searching for the most important position (QB) every year.

Now suddenly, that 4th round pick Dallas gave for Lance is way too valuable to give for a QB, lol.

The reality is that giving a 4th for a 23 year old QB drafted 3rd overall, who is very physically talented and many just think he needs more time is a very good risk/reward at the most vital position in the sport. Frankly, I don’t really see any way to be upset about this trade. If he busts then no big deal. If he hits, it’ll be huge for the franchise no matter if he starts in Dallas or is eventually traded elsewhere.

IMO, it says more about the people who are upset at this move, than it does about the franchise making this move.

Not if they're Dak fans, they won't.

 

[ESisback]

There may not be.

The sun could blow up tomorrow. It’s more fun to worry!✊

 

[ESisback]

Because we have zero idea of what we have in Trey Lance and there's nothing he's shown where we can assume he's our next starter

We haven't been outside of the 2nd round in nearly 30 years, so to put that on the shoulders of Dak isn't fair.

Yeah, they throw around millions with no research. But only in Dallas. Blindinvestments.com.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

No extension.

I think people are still in denial.

Why spend 200 million when you have your next starter already on the roster?

It’s not like Dak has been going to Pro Bowls or winning playoff games.

Because Lance isn't as good as Dak and may never be.

 

[ESisback]

Not for a QB.

Not sure trading for a QB3 would be considered a big trade.

Not ordinarily. But a highly sought after first rounder for a fourth? “Genius” move for anyone but the Cowboys.

 

[plasticman]

In the past, that was typical Jerry. He didn't understand the concept of a clear and precise chain of command when it came to sports. There can be no ambiguity. All decisions regarding the team's structure, philosophy, expectations, and roles must be the Head Coaches responsibility.

That is, once they have been acquired by the GM through the scouting department. There should certainly be collaboration in acquiring talent but once that player has been signed and is on the team then all decisions regarding his role is the sole responsibility of the HC.

There can be no ambiguity, no appeal process. If "dad" say no, there can't be a "mom" that says yes. That destroys not only a coach's authority but also the players respect for him. Any structure in competitive sports that call for decisions by committee are doomed. There has to be a singular authority at the top for players, one and only one person they must answer to.

This is also true for all others involved in the operation of a team. The GM answers to one person, the owner. The HC answers to one person only, the GM. All assistant coaches and players answer to one person, the HC. If the GM decides that a certain player will start over another then that is inappropriate, and that GM has no right to hold a HC accountable for the results that follow.

You will notice that the vast majority of Super Bowl winning HC's are authoritarian in nature. However, simply put, these are also the type of HC's that cannot work for Jerry Jones.

Jerry Jones was a shameless violator of this process in the past and the overwhelming factor that led to the loss of both Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcells. The worse example of this was the 2010 season in which Wade Philips was given the duty of DC even though he was supposed to be the HC. In addition, the OC, Jason Garrett was instructed to report directly to Jerry Jones. Now, if the DC and the OC are both reporting to the same person, what is that person's title?

It was a tragic season in 2010 in which the team started out 1-7 and Wade was fired. Jerry promised to get to the bottom of why the team had failed but, in effect, he was continuing to be that reason. As 2011 began, it was reported that Jerry Jones would no longer make all the decisions, he would begin to delegate more to his son and to the new HC, Jason Garrett.

However, as the Cowboys began to rebuild, they began winning again and Jerry being Jerry.....

Still, I don't really think this was a complete maverick move, I think he got some input, at least from McClay and perhaps his son. If McCarthy was left in the dark then I'm confident there was an uncomfortable conversation. McCarthy was willing to bend, to a degree, when he came aboard, I suppose he accepted it as part of the job. I don't think this relationship will last too much longer even if the Cowboys win the Super Bowl.

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

Dallas will get a high draft pick by trading Lance or a high comp pick after letting Dak go to free agency.

It's a win win for Dallas. For the life of me I don't understand the hate/dislike for this trade

Yes. I read if Lance plays out his contract in Dallas, and then leaves in free agency, Dallas would receive a 3rd round comp pick.

 

[The Fonz]

Not a big fan of the trade but it cost almost nothing
now the problem is JJ might waste so many years trying to make it work if he did not play well

 

[CowboyFrog]

He didn't say it would happen this year, did he?

yes read earlier and literally says no extension.. that happens this year or we say goodbye to some players.