I don't agree with the Romo selection

[Bob Sacamano]

True. Do you think, though thyat Romo could eventually be a perennial pro bowler for us?

a down year?

more like down years of Qb play

 

[HTownCowboysFan]

Before you jump on me, please hear me in context.

1. Tony Romo has played outstanding football
2. Without Tony Romo we would not be in the position we are in, PERIOD.
3. If Tony Romo had played the entire season as his current level, he is a pro bowler hands down.

But, to me, this represents what I have come to hate about the modern NFL. It is a stat driven, popularity driven, personality driven, league that evaluates players in a superficial way.

Does anyone realize that David Carr is in the top half of QB's in QB rating? Have you watched David Carr play? The guy probably won't be back in Houston next year.

Stats can lie, ESPECIALLY at the QB position.

In this case, Romo's stats aren't a lie. He has played fantastic. But how do you put a guy in the pro bowl who has barely played HALF A SEASON????

I'm proud we have a Dallas Cowboys player going at that position.
I'm proud we seem to have a legitimate QB in Dallas again.
I'm proud of what he has done for our football team.

But I don't agree with this choice, this year. Ok, destroy me

I agree with this take -- especially about Carr (ANYONE who says this guy can play is high). BUT...

Romo deserved to be there and stats have nothing to do with it. The Carr analogy is interesting because it shows how stats don't mean squat -- but they do. Romo's played his *** off and is probably the reason why he's in the PB. Who else deserves it more?

 

[Established1971]

Before you jump on me, please hear me in context.

1. Tony Romo has played outstanding football
2. Without Tony Romo we would not be in the position we are in, PERIOD.
3. If Tony Romo had played the entire season as his current level, he is a pro bowler hands down.

But, to me, this represents what I have come to hate about the modern NFL. It is a stat driven, popularity driven, personality driven, league that evaluates players in a superficial way.

Does anyone realize that David Carr is in the top half of QB's in QB rating? Have you watched David Carr play? The guy probably won't be back in Houston next year.

Stats can lie, ESPECIALLY at the QB position.

In this case, Romo's stats aren't a lie. He has played fantastic. But how do you put a guy in the pro bowl who has barely played HALF A SEASON????

I'm proud we have a Dallas Cowboys player going at that position.
I'm proud we seem to have a legitimate QB in Dallas again.
I'm proud of what he has done for our football team.

But I don't agree with this choice, this year. Ok, destroy me

Which do you have a problem with, that he was chosen for stats (because you say its stats driven) or that he didnt play enough? If you dont like the qb rating what do you go by then? Totals? No thats stats. Winning? Well he is 6-2. I just dont think you laid out a convincing argument here.

 

[Coy]

Marrimen has only played 10 games. in your opinion should he be out as well???

And I know you wont say YES

 

[MONT17]

well the fact is the Vote is out before the season is over makes the PRO BOWL bogus for me... but what else do we have? I hate the fact that the Igg players have never played v. Romo and the next game is for the NFC East... this game should have a bearing on who makes the Pro Bowl... its the biggest game of the year!!!

as for QB rating... its a joke stat... its for fantasy players who think Football is Baseball and all u have to do is come up with a stat to judge a QB!!! I think QB rating should be called "INT" rating because if u throw INTs it will be low... if u dont it will be high!

thats like baseball only using ERA and calling it a Pitcher Rating! Baseball has so many stats for pitchers u cant even name them all so why do football fans except this!!!

 

[Daudr]

Before you jump on me, please hear me in context.

1. Tony Romo has played outstanding football
2. Without Tony Romo we would not be in the position we are in, PERIOD.
3. If Tony Romo had played the entire season as his current level, he is a pro bowler hands down.

But, to me, this represents what I have come to hate about the modern NFL. It is a stat driven, popularity driven, personality driven, league that evaluates players in a superficial way.

Does anyone realize that David Carr is in the top half of QB's in QB rating? Have you watched David Carr play? The guy probably won't be back in Houston next year.

Stats can lie, ESPECIALLY at the QB position.

In this case, Romo's stats aren't a lie. He has played fantastic. But how do you put a guy in the pro bowl who has barely played HALF A SEASON????

I'm proud we have a Dallas Cowboys player going at that position.
I'm proud we seem to have a legitimate QB in Dallas again.
I'm proud of what he has done for our football team.

But I don't agree with this choice, this year. Ok, destroy me

You argued against your very own stance:

1. Carr has the stats, but doesn't play like it - guess what? he didn't make the pro bowl.
2. "Romo's stats aren't a lie." - here's another clue - he made the pro bowl. So, how, exactly, did they get it wrong? The guy that shouldn't make it, didn't, and the guy that should, did.

 

[dwmyers]

Before you jump on me, please hear me in context.

1. Tony Romo has played outstanding football
2. Without Tony Romo we would not be in the position we are in, PERIOD.
3. If Tony Romo had played the entire season as his current level, he is a pro bowler hands down.

But, to me, this represents what I have come to hate about the modern NFL. It is a stat driven, popularity driven, personality driven, league that evaluates players in a superficial way.

Does anyone realize that David Carr is in the top half of QB's in QB rating? Have you watched David Carr play? The guy probably won't be back in Houston next year.

Stats can lie, ESPECIALLY at the QB position.

In this case, Romo's stats aren't a lie. He has played fantastic. But how do you put a guy in the pro bowl who has barely played HALF A SEASON????

I'm proud we have a Dallas Cowboys player going at that position.
I'm proud we seem to have a legitimate QB in Dallas again.
I'm proud of what he has done for our football team.

But I don't agree with this choice, this year. Ok, destroy me

Romo is in because the fans voted him in. There is a good chance that Shaq will be voted into the NBA All-Stars, and to me, an all-pro center REALLY should be averaging 20 points a game and around 10 rebounds -- which he doesn't anymore.

I happen to think 8 games is enough, and you don't. I respect you saying so and why.

David.

 

[bbgun]

Get caught doing Roids? You should be disqualified from consideration.

 

[the kid 05]

Well, first off, I only have to name 1, since Brees and Bulger are already on the team.

Second, I just think you have to go with a guy who has been the starter for the vast majority of the season.

So, I would say Eli Manning or Michael Vick.

AND PLEASE HEAR ME. Romo has outplayed BOTH of them. And I WOULDN'T TRADE ROMO FOR EITHER OF THEM.

So, again, I don't want to be misunderstood. I'm a Romo fan.

I just don't think you can give it to a guy who has started 8 of his teams 14 games.

vick isn't a quaterback

 

[Joe_Fan]

vick isn't a quaterback

 

[percyhoward]

Two things.

Assuming Romo plays the last two games of the season, he won't be the first Pro Bowl QB to only start 10 games. McNabb went in 2002 when he only played 10 games. He went as an alternate, but that makes no difference, if the argument is that 10 games isn't enough.

Secondly, Romo leads the NFC in passer rating and completion percentage, and leads the entire NFL in yards per attempt and non-YAC yards.

If he doesn't belong in the Pro Bowl, who does?

 

[AmishCowboy]

A Playoff game and the Pro Bowl can only help the devolpment of a young QB even more.

 

[Aikbach]

A Playoff game and the Pro Bowl can only help the devolpment of a young QB even more.

I'd prefer two playoff games and Super Bowl but if necessary three and a Bowl.

 

[peck-sicilyisland]

down year for qb's,The team with best defense will win the superbowl,but Roma is a good qb,but I am waiting to see how he does against the bear defense.

 

[redfog]

Before you jump on me, please hear me in context.

1. Tony Romo has played outstanding football
2. Without Tony Romo we would not be in the position we are in, PERIOD.
3. If Tony Romo had played the entire season as his current level, he is a pro bowler hands down.

But, to me, this represents what I have come to hate about the modern NFL. It is a stat driven, popularity driven, personality driven, league that evaluates players in a superficial way.

Does anyone realize that David Carr is in the top half of QB's in QB rating? Have you watched David Carr play? The guy probably won't be back in Houston next year.

Stats can lie, ESPECIALLY at the QB position.

In this case, Romo's stats aren't a lie. He has played fantastic. But how do you put a guy in the pro bowl who has barely played HALF A SEASON????

I'm proud we have a Dallas Cowboys player going at that position.
I'm proud we seem to have a legitimate QB in Dallas again.
I'm proud of what he has done for our football team.

But I don't agree with this choice, this year. Ok, destroy me

My God, are you kidding me? David Carr sucks!!! The guy show flashes of a good QB but he constantly throw away games.

 

[TobiasEagle77]

Compare Romo's short season with McNabb's short season and see if you still think McNabb would deserve it over Romo.

if you look at the games they started and finished, here's how it averages out per game. In other words, I didn't include McNabb's numbers from the Tenn game or Romo's from the 1st Giants game.

McNabb:
19 for 34, 285 yds, 2.0 TDs, 0.6 Int
3.6 Rushes for 24 yds & 0.3 TDs

Romo:
21 for 31, 272 yds, 1.6 TDs, 0.9 Int
2.9 rushes for 4.4 yards & 0 TDs

 

[theogt]

if you look at the games they started and finished, here's how it averages out per game. In other words, I didn't include McNabb's numbers from the Tenn game or Romo's from the 1st Giants game.

McNabb:
19 for 34, 285 yds, 2.0 TDs, 0.6 Int
3.6 Rushes for 24 yds & 0.3 TDs

Romo:
21 for 31, 272 yds, 1.6 TDs, 0.9 Int
2.9 rushes for 4.4 yards & 0 TDs

So Romo is better. Nice.

QB Ratings (based on these numbers):

McNabb: 95.8

Romo: 100.2

 

[sago1]

For what it's worth, I posted an article written by JJT of DMN where he points out that Dan Marino was voted to the pro bowl in his rookie season after starting only 9 games. In a comparison comparing Marino's 9 games against Romo's 8 games, their stats are remarkably similar except Romo's (except for Marino's 20 TDs vs Romo's 16 TDs) are better. I'm not saying that Romo is Marino yet, but then Marino wasn't Marino in his rookie season either. Since Marino was voted to the pro bowl many years ago, I think this proves the original poster's premise is wrong unless same problem which he claims now exist also existed back then. See article re Romo in Paradise which I posted written by JJT on this board about an hour ago..

 

[Rockytop6]

Well, first off, I only have to name 1, since Brees and Bulger are already on the team.

Second, I just think you have to go with a guy who has been the starter for the vast majority of the season.

So, I would say Eli Manning or Michael Vick.

AND PLEASE HEAR ME. Romo has outplayed BOTH of them. And I WOULDN'T TRADE ROMO FOR EITHER OF THEM.

So, again, I don't want to be misunderstood. I'm a Romo fan.

I just don't think you can give it to a guy who has started 8 of his teams 14 games.

So you would give it to Eli or Vick although by your own admission he outplayed them both? I am really trying te decipher your logic. You would rather somebody who doesn't deserve it as much as Romo to go in ahead of him because they have played more games?

How many games did Marino play when he was elected to the probowl? I think it was 9. Are you now saying that Marino should not have been elected?

Obviously you did not vote for him as a fan yourself so you don't have to feel any guilt over his selection. The coaches and players out on the field and sideline with a close up view of him chose him.

 

[wileedog]

So you would give it to Eli or Vick although by your own admission he outplayed them both? I am really trying te decipher your logic. You would rather somebody who doesn't deserve it as much as Romo to go in ahead of him because they have played more games?

I think its a valid opinion. Anyone can get a hot streak going. Lots of guys have had early success before they could be game planned for. Saying Romo leads the league in certain stats is misleading - sample size matters, and a guy who has done it before for 16 game seasons and for 13 or 14 in the current season should absolutely get more consideration than a guy who has only played in 8 games ever.

That said, I do think 8 is enough to be meaningful, and it is undeniable the overall effect he has had on the team, which I think is an important consideration for a QB. And I'm glad Tony is in, even if its more of a reflection of the state of NFC QBing than anything else. But I could see the other side of the argument. Although not for Vick or Eli, who haven't really proved anything other than they are vastly overpaid.