I don't feel Gregory suspension will feel significant after camp

[Jstopper]

Manziel was a train wreck off the field - this was seen well ahead of his second season. Gregory lacks the intelligence or self discipline to stay off of marijuana - a train wreck in a different way than Manziel.

To this point, Gregory failed multiple drug tests at Nebraska, failed a drug test at his job interview (NFL Combine), and then proceeded to fail three more drug tests as a member of the Cowboys. I think it's pretty safe to say that Gregory can be called a bust. He's not exactly providing much evidence to the contrary.

Just as one could feel confident in calling Manziel a bust after his rookie season. Somehow, if Gregory wasn't a Cowboy, I doubt that your view on him would be the same.

No because I have several friends who call Clowney a bust and I tell them all the time you can't call a player a bust 1 or 2 years into their contract. That is incredibly short sighted especially when The player has time to turn it around. Has Gregory lived up to expectations? Hell no. Can we call him a bust after his 1st season in the NFL? Hell no.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Manziel actually increased his game his 2nd season he looked better and he actually started some games. But how would we see his fleas in the off-season BEFORE his second season even started. As you are trying to compare to Gregory

Yeah I was going to say.....Manziel's play on the field warranted him to get that starting job not only last season but this upcoming season. His conduct off the field annulled all of that. His play on the field for a young quarterback is about what you'd want to see. Progress anyway.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Marnelli may be replaced by the linebacker coach if he don't have a better defensive showing this season. Matt Eberflus

Very interesting observation. I truly wonder how much merit something like this might have.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Okay they passed on him in the 1st round. As if we are the only team that had him on our board yeah okay. And no that's not the definition of a bust. We shall see who is right once Gregory is back on the field.

More a question of "if" than "when"

 

[Stash]

Okay they passed on him in the 1st round. As if we are the only team that had him on our board yeah okay. And no that's not the definition of a bust. We shall see who is right once Gregory is back on the field.

If Gregory is back on the field. Given his actions, there's no guarantee of that happening. And that's a major part of the issue I have with him. He's closer to never playing again than he is to being a contributor for this team.

I hope he does get it together, both for himself as an individual, and for this team. They can really use his help.

 

[TheHerd]

To this point, Gregory failed multiple drug tests at Nebraska, failed a drug test at his job interview (NFL Combine), and then proceeded to fail three more drug tests as a member of the Cowboys. I think it's pretty safe to say that Gregory can be called a bust, and have that viewpoint be considered valid.

Actually, he's failed four drug tests as a Cowboy, making your point even stronger.

Okay they passed on him in the 1st round. As if we are the only team that had him on our board yeah okay. And no that's not the definition of a bust. We shall see who is right once Gregory is back on the field.

The point of those of us who are some with him is that he won't be on the field enough to make a difference. Next puff=10 games. I think you could find plenty of takers on even odds for any amount you want to bet that he gets that next suspension.

 

[Bullflop]

Gregory is gonna tear camp up...preseason as well. Hate that he will have to sit 4 games. Losing any all momentum coming out of the offseason. Caused by his own actions. Smh...

He's been a glaring underachiever so far and isn't doing much that signals anything will change. Let's just hope those signals are misleading.

I'd be willing to bet that if the Cowboys could go back in time and decide whether to draft him or not, they'd pass. Someone of lesser talent could do better than that, just by being available.

 

[slick325]

He's been a glaring underachiever so far and isn't doing much that signals anything will change. Let's just hope those signals are misleading.

I'd be willing to bet that if the Cowboys could go back in time and decide whether to draft him or not, they'd pass. Someone of lesser talent could do better than that, just by being available.

From everything I heard he was lights out last offseason and the team was surprised with how good he already was playing. Then the high ankle sprain occurred and he was never the same player physically or mentally.

There is NO excuse for failing 4 drug tests in less than one year. That is very disturbing and disappointing. If his reaction to a setback was to fall back on "that gas" it is a poor indicator.

However, I'm not sure that he was an underachiever last season. When he was 100% he looked like a 2nd year player that was ready to breakout. Then when injured and having missed several games, he looked like a rookiefat needed to adjust to the League.

I know the talent is there and I believe it will be on full display all offseason and when he gets back for Game 5. Just a gut feeling I have about him Bullflop.

 

[Bullflop]

From everything I heard he was lights out last offseason and the team was surprised with how good he already was playing. Then the high ankle sprain occurred and he was never the same player physically or mentally.

There is NO excuse for failing 4 drug tests in less than one year. That is very disturbing and disappointing. If his reaction to a setback was to fall back on "that gas" it is a poor indicator.

However, I'm not sure that he was an underachiever last season. When he was 100% he looked like a 2nd year player that was ready to breakout. Then when injured and having missed several games, he looked like a rookie that needed to adjust to the League.

I know the talent is there and I believe it will be on full display all offseason and when he gets back for Game 5. Just a gut feeling I have about him Bullflop.

Sorry but I've misplaced my rose-colored glasses and like the folks from Missouri, I'll have to be "shown" some sort of real recovery to believe in someone who has demonstrated he can't be trusted to control his need for weed. I've seen where it's been said he has a mental problem of social anxiety and if that's the case, it simply means he'll be obliged to overcome one fairly simple problem in addition to a far more difficult one.

For his own sake and that of the team, I hope a solution is found to resolve his problem. Can't honestly say as I share in your confidence it'll happen. I still wish him well, though.

 

[ccb04]

It is an outdated system, you pretty much have to try to out-talent teams because they can't seem to scheme their way into sacks or picks

In 2012...Marinelli's defense finished 1st in takeaways with 44 (including 24 Int's), & top 10 in sacks (41...Peppers had 11.5). Charles Tillman had an incredible 10 forced fumbles himself in 2012. In 2014, the Cowboys finished 2nd in the league in takeaways.

As far has Marinelli coaxing production out of lesser talents...recent examples would be:

- Selvie (career high 7 sacks in 2013)
- Mincey (led the team in sacks in 2014)
- Jack Crawford (4 sacks in limited duty in 2015)
- Corey Wootton (by far a career best 7 sacks in 2012)
- Israel Idonije (in his 3 seasons under Marinelli he had 8 sacks, 5 sacks, and 7.5 sacks...prior to that he had 8 sacks in 6 seasons)

 

[slick325]

Sorry but I've misplaced my rose-colored glasses and like the folks from Missouri, I'll have to be "shown" some sort of real recovery to believe in someone who has demonstrated he can't be trusted to control his need for weed. I've seen where it's been said he has a mental problem of social anxiety and if that's the case, it simply means he'll be obliged to overcome one fairly simple problem in addition to a far more difficult one.

For his own sake and that of the team, I hope a solution is found to resolve his problem. Can't honestly say as I share in your confidence it'll happen. I still wish him well, though.

Can't blame you Bullflop...

 

[gimmesix]

I am not sure why we are in semi-panic mode at DE in part because of Randy Gregory suspension. Not sure how Gregory was handed starting job because he certainly didn't earn it. Dallas is going to camp with alot of young talent and I like Marinelli coaching ability with unknown young players. I would not trade Leary or sign FA until you know what they have in: Russell, Mayowa, Irving & Charles Tapper. Here is fearless prediction: Jack Crawford will unseat Randy Gregory as starting DE coming out of training camp and thus making Gregory suspension insignificant.

Randy Gregory's suspension doesn't have me in a semi-panic. This defense's lack of sacks overall the past two years does. With Gregory, who really knows if he'll even be that good.

Right now, other than Lawrence, we've got a bunch of unknowns at end. Jack Crawford's the only other known, and what we know about him is that he's a decent rotational backup.

I agree that we need to learn what we have in Russell, Mayowa, Irving and Tapper, but I see no reason to have high expectations for them or this group.

 

[gimmesix]

I bet Mayowa starts all year at RDE.

Based on what we paid to get him, I wouldn't be surprised at all.

 

[The Natural]

In 2014, the Cowboys finished 2nd in the league in takeaways.

As far has Marinelli coaxing production out of lesser talents...recent examples would be:

- Selvie (career high 7 sacks in 2013)
- Mincey (led the team in sacks in 2014)
- Jack Crawford (4 sacks in limited duty in 2015)

I took out all the Chicago stuff because I'm only interested in what guys do in Dallas.

In 2014 the Cowboys finished 2nd in the league in takeaways..ok cool, in 2015 they finished dead last. That is the definition of cardiac and inconsistent.

Now as far as Mincey collecting a whopping 6 sacks in 2014, and Jack Crawford's 4 last year, if this is the best you've got maybe he should've remained a DL coach.

 

[ccb04]

I took out all the Chicago stuff because I'm only interested in what guys do in Dallas.

In 2014 the Cowboys finished 2nd in the league in takeaways..ok cool, in 2015 they finished dead last. That is the definition of cardiac and inconsistent.

Now as far as Mincey collecting a whopping 6 sacks in 2014, and Jack Crawford's 4 last year, if this is the best you've got maybe he should've remained a DL coach.

I'm interested in what the Cowboys do as well (obviously why we're here). Take out what you will to suit your side, but his overall body of work has been pretty consistent as a DC or DL coach...to include most recently with the 'Boys & Bears. You stated that his scheme was outdated, to which I simply gave recent examples to the contrary. Like any scheme, it can work with at least some talent...particularly talent that can stay on the field, which has been dicey with some of the Cowboys best defensive players missing chunks of time (or the season), whether it be injury or suspension.

2015 was an atrocity of a season all around...and despite the lack of turnovers, there were games in which the defense kept the horror story of an offense in the game.

Crawford & Mincey are perfect examples of Marinelli getting more out of less. So was Selvie. Did you see teams rushing to throw money at the likes of Crawford & Mincey? Me neither. But that's what Marinelli has had to work with overall...and again, he's often able to get more out of less talented players.

 

[The Natural]

I'm interested in what the Cowboys do as well (obviously why we're here). Take out what you will to suit your side, but his overall body of work has been pretty consistent as a DC or DL coach...to include most recently with the 'Boys & Bears. You stated that his scheme was outdated, to which I simply gave recent examples to the contrary. Like any scheme, it can work with at least some talent...particularly talent that can stay on the field, which has been dicey with some of the Cowboys best defensive players missing chunks of time (or the season), whether it be injury or suspension.

2015 was an atrocity of a season all around...and despite the lack of turnovers, there were games in which the defense kept the horror story of an offense in the game.

Crawford & Mincey are perfect examples of Marinelli getting more out of less. So was Selvie. Did you see teams rushing to throw money at the likes of Crawford & Mincey? Me neither. But that's what Marinelli has had to work with overall...and again, he's often able to get more out of less talented players.

No more excuses to be had. Just like the players, its put up or shut up.

 

[Kolemmitt]

Based on what we paid to get him, I wouldn't be surprised at all.

If I was to guess, the starting DL for game one will be Mayowa - RDE, T Crawford- 3 tech, Thornton - 1 tech, and Irving or Russell at LDE (although I still think there is a good chance that DLaw gets his suspension reduced or removed)

 

[Common Sense]

The best pass rusher in that draft did fall into our lap in the 2nd round.

I thought Preston Smith went to the Commanders?

 

[CCBoy]

Very interesting observation. I truly wonder how much merit something like this might have.

This season should shore up a lot of concerns about the Marrinelli defense...and then next season is the litmus test at year four, with his hands on scheme.

I'm happy with the prospects of Lawrence/Irvin and Gregory/Mayowa at defensive end. Then Lee and McClain at middle and all important weak side linebacker. Add back in Scandrick, that brings accountability much closer to the line of scrimmage on a secondary that pretty well shut down large plays...yea, I'm going to be watching for an entire season at a defense that is still founding it's route to tough and physical.

Oh yes, then there is Crawford, and a very special linebacker that will be coming to the table at some point, now.

With our 'Philly' add, the run defense should show up a lot more consistently now.

 

[CowboyRoy]

We have a terrible defensive personnel philosophy. For years we have thought it was 1995 and you just need cover corners that can't tackle and we could go cheap on the safeties. The game and the passing schematics has changed. Lots of short throws and teams are forcing safeties to do a lot of different things. A couple of months ago Louis Riddick said that by far and away safety was the worst coached position in the NFL. So it doesn't surprise me that offenses have changed their schematics to put a lot of pressure on poorly coached and often 1-dimensional safeties. And we have yet to really catch on to that because we seem to like to make the same mistake 10 years in a row before we FINALLY catch on.

The good thing with Marinelli is that he prefers the zone and is not going after those cover corners that can't tackle and don't play zone well. That's how guys like Terrance Mitchell come into the fold. Unfortunately, we are kinda stuck with Claiborne and Carr. The problem with Marinelli is that he has never been a coach that wants the elite athletes at safety. Hopefully that is changing with Byron's move to FS and perhaps this Frazier kid can play because it's certain that Wilcox and Church can't.






YR

The fact of the matter is that the defense is the red headed step child on this team. Both Jerry and Garrett like Flash and offense. And since we pretty much bomb on most picks after the 1st round, the defense will never get where it needs to get.