I emailed Steve Hoffman and got a response!

[Bob Sacamano]

The solution isn't a kicking coach.

The solution is a kicker.

can't believe that they would rather have Hoffman and a non-descript kicker instead of a VIniteiri

 

[Bob Sacamano]

...is going to put on a big show in front of the cameras on how much he feels the kicking game is important, but when the chips fall and your kicker is in a funk he can't pull himself out of he's going to march down the sidelines and yell "f - you" at the kicker/punter or glare at you as if you had just murdered his grandchild.

For those posters who insist that Dallas is going to be the haven for kickers to come here to save the day how assinine can you guys be to think that Vanderjagt, Vinatieri and LOngwell are even going to consider coming here to be subjected to that kind of treatment.

Those three above have led exemplary careers in their stats for FG kicking they don't need that crap.

FYI, Vinatieri missed a 32 yarder this year. It was a plain old shank with no extreme weather variables - really purely his fault. Belechick went to him on the sidelines and put his hand around his head and patted his helmet and then walked away laughing.

I think that's called team building - actually I believe that is the true road to the SuperBowl.

money talks

you get paid to perform

 

[MapleLeaf]

Hoffman didn't have the special ability to do anything that Dehaven can't.

This was clear as mediocre kicker after mediocre kicker eventually got cold and hit the bricks.

The solution isn't a kicking coach.

The solution is a kicker.

...players of a lesser pedigree then you better be prepared to work with them. It's not DeHaven who is the problem, it's Parcells who terror tactics won't win him any goodwill points for kickers in the league.

These players aren't wallflowers, but they do understand the gravity of their own failures without the coach having to remind them on the sidelines.

And if the solution isn't a kicking coach then what hell are you paying DeHaven's salary for when Parcells stated in the press conference on Cundiff's release that the guy was kicking poorly all week.

You just don't go bad all of a sudden - all kicking coaches know that at the very least.

 

[speedkilz88]

that's because Bryant was signed by Tampa before Parcells could

Lame answer, Parcells didn't try to sign him, he apparently was content with Cundiff.
Also, its been reported weeks ago that Vinateiri reupped with NE. Any team with an elite kicker is bound to retain them.

 

[MapleLeaf]

money talks

you get paid to perform

..when we dont get a premium kicker signed again this year and we go to the rookie free agent or another team's cast off.

The fans of Dallas will really see what talks then as we lose another game by three points or less.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Lame answer, Parcells didn't try to sign him, he apparently was content with Cundiff.
Also, its been reported weeks ago that Vinateiri reupped with NE. Any team with an elite kicker is bound to retain them.

wait, didn't Parcells compare him to Murray? so you're going to tell me he didn't try to sign him? oops, my BS meter is going off

 

[Bob Sacamano]

..when we dont get a premium kicker signed again this year and we go to the rookie free agent or another team's cast off.

The fans of Dallas will really see what talks then as we lose another game by three points or less.

that made no sense, you gave me this cup of jo about Vinatieri's feelings, and I responded that if we paid him well, he's not going to care, cuz he's getting paid, paid to make kicks, not worry about what his coach is saying

 

[speedkilz88]

wait, didn't Parcells compare him to Murray? so you're going to tell me he didn't try to sign him? oops, my BS meter is going off

Your the one who claimed Tampa swooped in and signed him before he did. Guess he was napping. You definitely have the BS all over you dude.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Your the one who claimed Tampa swooped in and signed him before he did. Guess he was napping. You definitely have the BS all over you dude.

Tampa did sign him before us, hence, he's a Buccaneer

logic isn't too kind to you is it?

 

[speedkilz88]

Tampa did sign him before us, hence, he's a Buccaneer

logic isn't too kind to you is it?

You made a claim that that they he tried to sign Bryant yet you have nothing to back it up. There is no reason to think he tried to sign him and that he chose Tampa over a return to Dallas. Nothing, nada, zippo! You were talking out of your arse and you know it smelling all that BS that is covering you and that meter an all.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Bryant played with the Dolphins and Colts in 2004, and signed with the Bucs March 2nd of 2005, the 2nd day of free agency

so yeah, I kinda think the BUcs signed him before we did

 

[MapleLeaf]

that made no sense, you gave me this cup of jo about Vinatieri's feelings, and I responded that if we paid him well, he's not going to care, cuz he's getting paid, paid to make kicks, not worry about what his coach is saying

...going to take a lesser contract to stay with a coach who supports him. Say Belechick! He doesn't need an extra 200,000 on an unguaranteed contract with a coach who has a tendency to make the kicking position a turnstile affair.

No kicker is coming here no matter what the contract to have their legs pulle dout from under them.

Or did you forget that all NFL contracts are unguaranteed? As for SB, there is no precedence for giving a kicker anymore than 2 mill yet and you have to have a guy for at least five years based on the latest contracts.

Longwell, Vinatieri and Vanderjagt couldn't finish another 5 year contract so they will be wanting big money up front to come to Dallas. Possibly 2.5 to 3 million on the signing bonus for a three year contract.

I expect these guys to go to any warm weather domed stadium other than Dallas if they are smart.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

...going to take a lesser contract to stay with a coach who supports him. Say Belechick! He doesn't need an extra 200,000 on an unguaranteed contract with a coach who has a tendency to make the kicking position a turnstile affair.

No kicker is coming here no matter what the contract to have their legs pulle dout from under them.

Or did you forget that all NFL contracts are unguaranteed? As for SB, there is no precedence for giving a kicker anymore than 2 mill yet and you have to have a guy for at least five years based on the latest contracts.

Longwell, Vinatieri and Vanderjagt couldn't finish another 5 year contract so they will be wanting big money up front to come to Dallas. Possibly 2.5 to 3 million on the signing bonus for a three year contract.

I expect these guys to go to any warm weather domed stadium other than Dallas if they are smart.

I don't deal in conjecture

 

[BigDFan5]

...going to take a lesser contract to stay with a coach who supports him. Say Belechick! He doesn't need an extra 200,000 on an unguaranteed contract with a coach who has a tendency to make the kicking position a turnstile affair.

No kicker is coming here no matter what the contract to have their legs pulle dout from under them.

Or did you forget that all NFL contracts are unguaranteed? As for SB, there is no precedence for giving a kicker anymore than 2 mill yet and you have to have a guy for at least five years based on the latest contracts.

Longwell, Vinatieri and Vanderjagt couldn't finish another 5 year contract so they will be wanting big money up front to come to Dallas. Possibly 2.5 to 3 million on the signing bonus for a three year contract.

I expect these guys to go to any warm weather domed stadium other than Dallas if they are smart.

So yall are mad parcells has not signed a big time kicker, yet you are saying no big time kicker would come here. So if none are willing to come here how is it parcells fault we are stuck with Cundiff types.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

So yall are mad parcells has not signed a big time kicker, yet you are saying no big time kicker would come here. So if none are willing to come here how is it parcells fault we are stuck with Cundiff types.

because conjecture works both ways

see, that's why I don't deal in it

 

[mschmidt64]

...players of a lesser pedigree then you better be prepared to work with them. It's not DeHaven who is the problem, it's Parcells who terror tactics won't win him any goodwill points for kickers in the league.

This isn't worth dignifying with a response.

And if the solution isn't a kicking coach then what hell are you paying DeHaven's salary for when Parcells stated in the press conference on Cundiff's release that the guy was kicking poorly all week.

You just don't go bad all of a sudden - all kicking coaches know that at the very least.

Because Dehaven does other things besides the needless job of babysitting the kicker.

A function which no other team devotes an entire coaching position to.

These mediocre kickers DO go bad all of a sudden. If you are going to claim that it is all mental -- then Hoffman wasn't doing his job anyway, because they all would eventually go cold under his supervision!

But that is not the case, so it is irrelevant.

A good kicker will not dry up. You don't need a "handler" for the kickers, and it was something that Hoffman had no special ability to perform even if you did need one... as evidenced by the way his selections always eventually went sour. Clearly, even if he was doing what you say he did, he eventually would fail at it with every project.

The solution is not adding a worthless coach.

The solution is adding a kicker isn't afraid of his own shadow, if what you say about mind games is to be believed.

 

[MapleLeaf]

So yall are mad parcells has not signed a big time kicker, yet you are saying no big time kicker would come here. So if none are willing to come here how is it parcells fault we are stuck with Cundiff types.

...don't tell your punter to f-off on national television when he pooches a punt. The guys a schizophrenic! He goes from talking to the national media about how McBriar has a chance to take trip to Hawaii to swearing at him on national television.

Jesus, do you think other players don't get to watch that crap! Par tof the reason why any employee wold change jobs is not only for the money and the potential of advancement, in this case a SuperBowl, but also can they work with the present brain trust.

I have a feeling that most kickers in this league who are established and proven will take any job at a lesser price to stay away from Parcells and his moods.

When you have proven yourself in this league you are too old to take that crap. Basically this leaves us with the sorry saps who need a job and are willing to overlook any conditions to be employed. But a the great Mickeroo always says you gotta wonder why they are available.

My guess is the the fabulous Paul Edinger may be coming to Dallas after his sorry year with the Vikings. Ask the Bears what a year with Edinger is like. that's the quality we will be seeing. Guys who need a job, not real kickers!

 

[BigDFan5]

...don't tell your punter to f-off on national television when he pooches a punt. The guys a schizophrenic! He goes from talking to the national media about how McBriar has a chance to take trip to Hawaii to swearing at him on national television.

Jesus, do you think other players don't get to watch that crap! Par tof the reason why any employee wold change jobs is not only for the money and the potential of advancement, in this case a SuperBowl, but also can they work with the present brain trust.

I have a feeling that most kickers in this league who are established and proven will take any job at a lesser price to stay away from Parcells and his moods.

When you have proven yourself in this league you are too old to take that crap. Basically this leaves us with the sorry saps who need a job and are willing to overlook any conditions to be employed. But a the great Mickeroo always says you gotta wonder why they are available.

My guess is the the fabulous Paul Edinger may be coming to Dallas after his sorry year with the Vikings. Ask the Bears what a year with Edinger is like. that's the quality we will be seeing. Guys who need a job, not real kickers!

Funny I saw that game and seen him say no such thing, maybe I missed it.



SO in your opinion there is no way Parcells can win, good kickers wont come here because their feelings may get hurt if they DO BADLY! So we will only get a crappy kicker and then you can blame parcells again! I see how it works now

 

[MapleLeaf]

...you have never kicker before on a football team.

This isn't worth dignifying with a response.

The lack of dignity was when Parcells chased down McBriar on the sidlelines and told him to f-off. How about you go and tell your children the rationale for a grown man behaving in tha manner if you want to bringthe topic of dignity to this board in response to my post. Let me know how that works for any youngsters you have in your family. There's the DIGNITY issue for you.

Because Dehaven does other things besides the needless job of babysitting the kicker.

A function which no other team devotes an entire coaching position to.

These mediocre kickers DO go bad all of a sudden. If you are going to claim that it is all mental -- then Hoffman wasn't doing his job anyway, because they all would eventually go cold under his supervision!

But that is not the case, so it is irrelevant.

Famous last words spoken by someone who possibly has no idea what the uprights look like from 42 yards out. You bag on a specialized position like kicking which is inherantly associated with putting points on the board, but are unable to use the same rationale to justify some like, hell let's say, TE Coach which Sparano was.

Campbells hands were horrible this year and Witten whiffed on so many blocks it's not even funny how many times he was involved in protection breakdowns that led to runners being tackled behind the line or Bledsoe being sacked.

Basically Witten and Campbell performed horribly, ie went bad. They get paid so much more than Cundiff, why aren't they roasted or their coach just deleted?!!!

If you have played sports you will know that players do go "bad" and have lapses of confidence when "they just don't get it". Best case is Larry Allen and his lard *** year of 2004 when Parcells made so many jokes about his obesity and poor fitness that they were looking to dump the guy. Now all of a sudden he grows a brain and tries to work on his lower body and puts in one of his better years over the past three.

A good kicker will not dry up. You don't need a "handler" for the kickers, and it was something that Hoffman had no special ability to perform even if you did need one... as evidenced by the way his selections always eventually went sour. Clearly, even if he was doing what you say he did, he eventually would fail at it with every project.

Ha! B.S!!! Let's take the most remarkable turn arounds in kicking history in the NFL - Neil Rackers.

In his first journey through with the Bengals he was 10 - 21 from 40-49 yards out - Less than 50%!!!! From 30-39 yards he is 16 of 23! His first year with Arizona he misses 3 FGs inside the 40!

Then the miraculous occurs. In his second year of his Arizona stay he stabilizes himself somehow and becomes a 85% kicker inside of 50 yards. MVP type numbers for a kicker, then this year he goes to 97% - basically one kick short of perfect inside the 50.

How?? Kevin O'Dea. Who? Well this guy just happen to be a little known kicking coach specialist when he was picked up by Dennis Green. Actually he was the head of NFL Europe Kicking Camp prior and during his first year with the Cardinals. A specialist, a guru dare we say??? A hand holder/babysitter.

He took Rackers and stabilized him to the tune of a 2 million dollar SB this year. O'Dea unfortunately cannot coach coverage teams and Green has elected to dump him this year. Let's watch with anticipation if Neil Rackers "kicking superstar" goes BAD all of a sudden.

The solution is not adding a worthless coach.

The solution is adding a kicker isn't afraid of his own shadow, if what you say about mind games is to be believed.

No the solution is not a worthless coach, it's a kicking coach of the calibre of Hoffman and O'Dea!

If mind games aren't part of sports why do players of superstar calibre choke? Why does Billy Buckner let the ball dribble between his legs? Why does Mike Vernon miss an easy wrist shot for the final goal of the Stanley Cup? why does Adam Vinatieri miss a 32 yard field goal?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

...you have never kicker before on a football team.

what does that have to do with anything? that's like saying you've never been a coach on a football team, so you have no right questioning Parcells

and what does being a kicker on a pop-warner team have to do with what we're talking about?