I have a good feeling about our O-line next year

[Irvin88_4life]

And how many times has a team like Denver occurred in the past 15 years?




YR

Denver had the number 1 offense and lost to a Seattle team that played great defense and ran the ball. .....keep trying though

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

There's no quarterback in this draft that's going to come right in and make us a contender if Romo goes down. Especially with this playbook. That doesn't mean don't address it but if they address it will be for the future not now.

Just as there is no defensive player or offensive player (other than QB) that's going to come right in and make us a contender.

 

[kazzd58]

I think I want Elliot. Especially, if he wows at the combine. I just want an impact player, like everyone, with that pick and one that is a safest pick to live up to being an impact player. I'm not sure he is but so far it seems like he may be.

why does he have to wow at the combine? look at the tape that's good enough for me!

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Just as there is no defensive player or offensive player (other than QB) that's going to come right in and make us a contender.

This is true. Never argued that. But I do think there are a few starters you can get that can come in right now and offer more to you then what you currently have.

 

[Stash]

Just as there is no defensive player or offensive player (other than QB) that's going to come right in and make us a contender.

As I recall, we added two 'first round talents' to the defense last year. One of them who was considered as possibly the best prospect in the entire draft. How'd that end up working out for us?

It was pretty amazing and disappointing that we added so many pieces on paper and yet the results were worse.

Added Byron Jones and Randy Gregory in the draft.
Brought Mincey (our then sack leader) back and were getting the improving Demarcus Lawrence back for a full season.
Sean Lee returning from injury.
Success story Rolando McClain back for another year.
Morris Claiborne finally healthy.
We gave the big contract to 'our Warren Sapp' in Tyrone Crawford to be a force at 3-technique.
And we signed the biggest name, most established pass rusher we could possibly get in Greg Hardy!

How after adding all of this were the results so underwhelming?

 

[DogFace]

why does he have to wow at the combine? look at the tape that's good enough for me!

"Especially". Measurable combined with good tape are good ways to evaluate and minimize the risk of a bust.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

This is true. Never argued that. But I do think there are a few starters you can get that can come in right now and offer more to you then what you currently have.

Rather have the qb to groom behind Romo. We aren't contenders no matter who we draft. Carolina, Seattle in the West, no way are we leapfrogging them unless our secondary and pass rush become elite. And Romo is injury free.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Rather have the qb to groom behind Romo. We aren't contenders no matter who we draft. Carolina, Seattle in the West, no way are we leapfrogging them unless our secondary and pass rush become elite. And Romo is injury free.

Well if we aren't contenders no matter who we draft then why not wait until next season when we will suck again to get a much better quarterback prospect?

And Panthers and Seattle both have their wholes. This isn't the 90's Cowboys we are talking about. They are just as flawed as any other team in the league and in the case of the Panthers they will have a the hardest schedule in the league next year.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Well if we aren't contenders no matter who we draft then why not wait until next season when we will suck again to get a much better quarterback prospect?

And Panthers and Seattle both have their wholes. This isn't the 90's Cowboys we are talking about. They are just as flawed as any other team in the league and in the case of the Panthers they will have a the hardest schedule in the league next year.

Not contenders, not suck enough to get a top qb if Romo is injury free. Why wait until next year? No guarantee we will be in top 10, much less at #4. Our defense isn't anywhere near Carolina's or Seattle's. They have that going for them, we don't. With our secondary, lack of a consistent pass rush and creating turnovers.

 

[Sydla]

Denver's QB didn't provide anything and they won a superbowl. Both teams in the superbowl can run the ball and play defense. .....seems old school to me

It should also be pointed out that Denver's TBs were a bunch of nobodies.

You don't need to invest the 4th pick in a TB to have a good running game.

 

[Stash]

Well if we aren't contenders no matter who we draft then why not wait until next season when we will suck again to get a much better quarterback prospect?

One, everything I have seen indicates that next year's quarterback crop looks weaker, not stronger.

And two, do you anticipate going 4-12 again or worse and again be drafting in the top five?

And Panthers and Seattle both have their wholes. This isn't the 90's Cowboys we are talking about. They are just as flawed as any other team in the league and in the case of the Panthers they will have a the hardest schedule in the league next year.

They still stomped a mud hole in this Cowboys team - with Romo and Bryant on the field. They were the measuring stick in the NFC and the Cowboys didn't come close to measuring up.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Denver had the number 1 offense and lost to a Seattle team that played great defense and ran the ball. .....keep trying though

It wasn't like Seattle's passing offense was poor that year. They ranked 8th in passing efficiency according to Football Outsiders.

But, keep trying though.





YR

 

[Yakuza Rich]

If you go 1.5m on Dunbar and 1m on Turbin that isn't peanuts.

I would rather go with LMiller, a draft pick and a street FA like Turbin and CMike last year.

Miller is going to want more than that and that would move DMC to the #2 spot and he's just not a #2 RB. This forces us to draft a RB in the first 4 rounds (for all intents and purposes) if we expect one to produce right away. I could see...maybe...a 3rd round pick if we really like a guy, but that still is coming at the expense of so many other positions we have to fill.

I have no problem paying 1.5 million for Dunbar if he has the same burst coming back. The guy was a major threat in the passing game and just as importantly...he's a matchup problem. As the Patriots have shown over the years, you can get more out of a bunch of matchup problem players than 1 star player.

So for the most part, I would only want a draft pick RB at the 4th round. And I would still want Dunbar if he has the same burst coming off the injury because his impact on the passing game is too useful.




YR

 

[CCBoy]

As I recall, we added two 'first round talents' to the defense last year. One of them who was considered as possibly the best prospect in the entire draft. How'd that end up working out for us?

It was pretty amazing and disappointing that we added so many pieces on paper and yet the results were worse.

Added Byron Jones and Randy Gregory in the draft.
Brought Mincey (our then sack leader) back and were getting the improving Demarcus Lawrence back for a full season.
Sean Lee returning from injury.
Success story Rolando McClain back for another year.
Morris Claiborne finally healthy.
We gave the big contract to 'our Warren Sapp' in Tyrone Crawford to be a force at 3-technique.
And we signed the biggest name, most established pass rusher we could possibly get in Greg Hardy!

How after adding all of this were the results so underwhelming?

There were three first round strengths added last off season...Collins was the third.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

It should also be pointed out that Denver's TBs were a bunch of nobodies.

You don't need to invest the 4th pick in a TB to have a good running game.

Never said to invest number 4 pick into a running back

 

[Irvin88_4life]

It wasn't like Seattle's passing offense was poor that year. They ranked 8th in passing efficiency according to Football Outsiders.

But, keep trying though.





YR

Dude you're a joke. Seattle didn't beat Denver cause they threw the ball all over the field. Besides you really trying to compare Seattle passing game to Denver's who broke records......haha whatever floats your boat

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Dude you're a joke. Seattle didn't beat Denver cause they threw the ball all over the field. Besides you really trying to compare Seattle passing game to Denver's who broke records......haha whatever floats your boat

No, you're a joke.

You're wrong and you won't admit it.

Seattle was 7th in rushing efficiency and 8th in passing efficiency.

You're wrong.

So deal with it.





YR

 

[Sydla]

Never said to invest number 4 pick into a running back

Not saying you in particular but in general to those who think that we have to have Elliott and if that means taking him at 4, take him at 4 (which has been said by some here).

 

[kazzd58]

"Especially". Measurable combined with good tape are good ways to evaluate and minimize the risk of a bust.

I saw what he did to Alabama and in the championship game he carried them and was the pretty much the main reason they won the ship, so im cool with the wow cuz he showed me the WOW in games... I trust my eyes and how his game translate to nfl and behind this oline

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Not saying you in particular but in general to those who think that we have to have Elliott and if that means taking him at 4, take him at 4 (which has been said by some here).

I have said it but I said if he is best player available and at 4 I don't see it possible