I want Zeke back next year

[RustyBourneHorse]

I think they negotiate a new contract that alleviates his cap hit and allows us to keep Pollard.

Yes, I can see this happening.

 

[RonnieT24]

Our 3rd string running back is avg 4.5 yards per carry. So like I said just about any starting RB in the league with some decent speed could avg 4.5 yards per carry behind this oline.

Our oline isn't great at pass protection but it will make an avg RB or QB look really good rushing.

This is the best rushing oline we've had in a long time imo.

I'd still like to see Tyron Lt and Tyler Lg lined up next to one another in some short yardage situations run blocking.

Those are 2 big maulers.

We don't need a battering ram to wear anybody down I promise ya

This sort of statement betrays a glaring lack of knowledge of running back play. The second statement fails to explain why so many of our plays get blown up in the backfield. If this line is so great why do Zeke and TP both have more than 15 TFLs this season? Last time I checked Pollard is stopped for losses on almost 10% of his carries and Zeke about 5%. That doesn't scream great run blocking line to me. But as you say putting the Smith Brothers on one side together might change that.

Still I keep coming back to the fact that over the last 4 games Zeke and TP have virtually identical ypc averages. The only anomaly since Zeke came back from the knee was Minnesota where he was adjusting to playing in that damn brace again. Overall in the 12 games they have played together this season, they have taken turns having the higher average. Zeke has led in 6 and Pollard has led in 6. You don't want Zeke back? Fine.. your vote will count the exact same amount as mine. But continuing to dismiss the guy's contributions reeks of agenda. You want to know if he has any value to the team.. Ask his teammates and his coaches. We know fans are stupid and get dug in on their pathetic takes and need to be right. The guys with the team lose their jobs for being wrong.. What happens to idiots on the internet when they're wrong?

 

[DuncanIso]

Feed Zeke!

 

[DuncanIso]

Yes, I can see this happening.

can they rework Daks contract too?

 

[blueblood70]

. We ditched one last off-season for no good reason. Can’t decrease your playmakers and expect to get equivalent results.

seriously? so we let AC go over 22mil for what he was bringing and replaced him with a cheaper as productive player in Lamb who BTW will need to get paid. Gallups struggling coming back but cheap this year and will make full recovery at some point. this year our entire WR core together makes 22mil just think harder, capped league...our O has not had an issue scoring when dak came back and we finally used solid run game to offset it.

so ac reasons were 22mil, was not our leading wr last year and at times wasn't practicing and was decoy as that foot injury popped up enough and he disappeared in games to make that 22mil no longer cap friendly with other needs ..

IE AC gone allows for us to be successful this year with depth they signed and allows soem cap room to sign CD, Polard, Diggs and others.. why does this not compute with fans. they didnt give ac away on purpose that was his market in the short time frame they had to make sure they weren't on the hook for more guaranteed money, lest drop the debate already,

yes this will happen with Zeke unless she takes a 50% pay cut and is happy with his role and while pollards been great RBs can be replaced BUT if it works out zeke at 50% pay , FT Polard. and get malik more involved. or zeke gone, pollard on FT, Malik heavily involved in zekes role and draft a mid round replacement in this next draft for pollard for 2024...

lots of options wouldn't sweat it right now and some more money will be available as i believe Schultz will be gone as well.

 

[CowboysExchange]

And that is fine. I have (almost) no issue with your stats.

The problem? You ignore the expectations, the situational play calling. What PLAYS do these players excel at? WHat is expected of them? What do the coaches call? How do the other players perform during these plays?

Tony Pollard is a very good RB. He has flash and speed that surprises both the defense and us! Not sure why you are making some competitive argumentative stance on this.

And in fact he deserved paid

THEN...you will hate him as much as you do Zeke.

I don't hate Zeke and I don't care if they pay him 20 million next year. It's just monopoly money that has to be spent. Hes been a great Player and earned his money and his accolades.

But he's still far from being a Quality starting NFL Running Back. Not even as a dual threat tandem. He has no speed and that kills his Big play potential. Sorry.

I just don't see why he's still getting the Majority of Carries when he only excels at blocking and short yardage.

He still has 10 tds and he's been scoring so he's doing some things right.

But he's still being over utilized as a ball handler for his abilities. He's not a big passing threat or a guy that can run around the corners anymore so he's more predictable and limited.

He's just too overinvolved imo.

 

[blueblood70]

Zeke is just a short yardage and goal line back at best.

He's been a washed up starter between the 10 yard lines for 2+years because he's too slooowwww bruh!

He was a progress stopper for Pollard for over 2 years and now he's just a progress stopper for the other younger rbs like Davis rn.

Let's see what Pollard and Davis can do behind this oline and use Zeke down by the end zone.

Both of those guys are wayyyyy better than Zeke is rn as runners.

Pollard and Davis are a better tandem between the 10 yard lines. Imo

Zeke and his 35 yard playoff rushing yards is why we lost. Defenses don't fear him like they do Pollard

He's just spelling all of the Pro Bowl rbs involvement at this point

I wouldnt use Zeke for more than 6-7 carries per game. He's a 3rd RB at best.

If I was Pollard I'd say heck no I want 3/4 of the carries.

Just do what Witten did and don't come off the field TP

Pollard is the pro bowler so go sit you slow molasses self down.

14 penalty's 11 by the OL, no real OL production at all had nothing to do with it, defense giving up 4 Straight scores to start a game and losing TOP,..where was AC and Pollard? why didnt they save the day? Typically in most games ive watched if zeke struggles in game so does Pollard.. OL , penalty's, game situations all have effect on the Run game. play calls as well..

6-7 carries as 3rd are you insane zeke is the most valuable at 15-20 carries and only reasons hes not MORE productive is splitting carries with TP and not getting the volume carries like he uses to like Henry does, yes hes worthless at under 10 carries..hes played very well this year and while not as explosive or big pay type as TP, he could easily have got many 100 yard games and been very productive if he got 20 carries every game.. he s volume back and its moronic to compare him to change of pace type back. TP had like 3 games under #YPC , some games with even spilt in carries zeke and TP YPC were very similar..

odd soem fans cant see this .. he had like 4 games over %YOC and one over 6 he was hot yet split carries.. you cant give back lie zeke under 15 carries and expect him to be affective IE Henry 4-4.5 YPC only reason hes got yards is heavy CARRIES. Give ES22 only 15 carries a game..thats about 65 yards a game at his career and most of his yearly YPC averages., those are facts, 22 had many years at 4YPC or under like half his career. that what volume back is..4 4.2 4.4 4.3 soem worse go look , chit this place would eat ES up of 21 is having similar averages but not enough carries to be effective, poor 22 would be called jag..

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I don't hate Zeke and I don't care if they pay him 20 million next year. It's just monopoly money that has to be spent. Hes been a great Player and earned his money and his accolades.

But he's still far from being a Quality starting NFL Running Back. Not even as a dual threat tandem. He has no speed and that kills his Big play potential. Sorry.

I just don't see why he's still getting the Majority of Carries when he only excels at blocking and short yardage.

He still has 10 tds and he's been scoring so he's doing some things right.

But he's still being over utilized as a ball handler for his abilities. He's not a big passing threat or a guy that can run around the corners anymore so he's more predictable and limited.

He's just too overinvolved imo.

Okay. I think he's being misused. You think he's being overused.

We shall respectfully disagree on it.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

can they rework Daks contract too?

That's what I said earlier. People want zeke to take pay cut but not Dak?

Weirdos.

 

[blueblood70]

That's what I said earlier. People want zeke to take pay cut but not Dak?

Weirdos.

Daks deal is nowhere close to up and has no trade and no FT tag clauses apples and oranges., zekes deal becomes all non-guaranteed in 23 also that decision is made long before Daks.. daks got 2-3 more years where you can start that conversation. Its called a Cap...

Last year they made that decision on AC and 10 other players this year others come up this coming season, its natural to have these conversations when its actual a possibility. Technically Tank took pay cut restructured, ware turned it down and left, zeke will be offered a similar deal. its business.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Daks deal is nowhere close to up and has no trade and no FT tag clauses apples and oranges., zekes deal becomes all non-guaranteed in 23 also that decision is made long before Daks.. daks got 2-3 more years where you can start that conversation. Its called a Cap...

Last year they made that decision on AC and 10 other players this year others come up this coming season, its natural to have these conversations when its actual a possibility. Technically Tank took pay cut restructured, ware turned it down and left, zeke will be offered a similar deal. its business.

Blah blah blah.

 

[starfan1]

That's what I said earlier. People want zeke to take pay cut but not Dak?

Weirdos.

really why don you point me in the direction of those people that wouldnt be ok with daks contract being reworked. I have not heard one person say that they arent ok with it. Jerry will rework it and kick the can down the road a bit farther and it will tick off the masses that want him gone now.

 

[DuncanIso]

They should rework Daks contract to help pay for Cooper Rush, who is UFA after the season.

if they can rework Zekes to pay TonyP, they should do Daks also.

fair.

 

[blueblood70]

Blah blah blah.

right

hypocrite when we talk Dak, you tell me people are allowed their opinions and yet when it comes to zeke you come in and do the same thing..lmao.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

can they rework Daks contract too?

Time will tell. I think the reason they'd try to rework Zeke's contract is because he's a very good blocker as well as RB. That's one area that Pollard still has to work. Also, blitz protection is a rare trait to find in a RB, but Zeke does it.

 

[CowboysExchange]

This sort of statement betrays a glaring lack of knowledge of running back play. The second statement fails to explain why so many of our plays get blown up in the backfield. If this line is so great why do Zeke and TP both have more than 15 TFLs this season? Last time I checked Pollard is stopped for losses on almost 10% of his carries and Zeke about 5%. That doesn't scream great run blocking line to me. But as you say putting the Smith Brothers on one side together might change that.

Still I keep coming back to the fact that over the last 4 games Zeke and TP have virtually identical ypc averages. The only anomaly since Zeke came back from the knee was Minnesota where he was adjusting to playing in that damn brace again. Overall in the 12 games they have played together this season, they have taken turns having the higher average. Zeke has led in 6 and Pollard has led in 6. You don't want Zeke back? Fine.. your vote will count the exact same amount as mine. But continuing to dismiss the guy's contributions reeks of agenda. You want to know if he has any value to the team.. Ask his teammates and his coaches. We know fans are stupid and get dug in on their pathetic takes and need to be right. The guys with the team lose their jobs for being wrong.. What happens to idiots on the internet when they're wrong?

I've seen a lot of the Plays Pollard gets blown up on. Alot of those plays come when their substituting and it kills the Element of surprise because the play calls are so predictable. Esp the passes to Pollard. He's got guys on top of him before the ball even arrives. Substitution kills some plays w sure Predictability

Pollard is an NFL Starting RB capable of taking it to the House running or passing from anywhere on the field and Zeke is just a spell back in situational play calling because he's just a North and south (runner only) whose longest run all year is 27 yards.

I'm not downplaying Zeke's contribution to the team whatsoever. He's a better goal line back and blocker.

I think y'all are undervaluing the "pro bowler" that has more dimensions to our running and Passing attack.

If Zeke gets cut tomorrow he'll have a hard time finding a team to land on.

If Pollard gets cut tomorrow he'll have a Starting job and a top NFL RB Salary.

I'll leave it at that.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

really why don you point me in the direction of those people that wouldnt be ok with daks contract being reworked. I have not heard one person say that they arent ok with it. Jerry will rework it and kick the can down the road a bit farther and it will tick off the masses that want him gone now.

Sorry. I must assume their silence on the matter is telling.

Yes...I know there are people who claim Dak makes too much for his performance. There are also a lot of people silent about Dak accepting less money. It's not talked about as much as Zeke.

Just my opinion...I see no need to fight about it.

 

[quickccc]

This sort of statement betrays a glaring lack of knowledge of running back play. The second statement fails to explain why so many of our plays get blown up in the backfield. If this line is so great why do Zeke and TP both have more than 15 TFLs this season? Last time I checked Pollard is stopped for losses on almost 10% of his carries and Zeke about 5%. That doesn't scream great run blocking line to me. But as you say putting the Smith Brothers on one side together might change that.

It wouldn't be a surprise if Pollard has as many backfield loss yardage as Zeke .. .Why ?

- When Defenses sees No.20 Pollard lined up in the backfield , that screams instantly “ Red Alert “ all systems go as a Defense.

- When they see Pollard, it puts them immediately on pins and needles, knowing they cannot let up one single gap or BOOM he’s gone !
and that forces them to hurry and get an " guess' jump on him earlier ..and often as possible before he can gain any momentum room to break one big.

Game breaking playmakers do that .. they frighten the hell outta defense... That's how much pressure they place on defenses.

- With Zeke .. they can live with another day with his 6 yard run. .as he’s a lumbering, .methodical bell cow nowadays vs the glory days where HE use to frighten defenses
because of his great breakaway burst he came into the league in 2016. .and It’s no secret that he simply just no longer presents that fear any more.

 

[CowboysExchange]

Okay. I think he's being misused. You think he's being overused.

We shall respectfully disagree on it.

This sort of statement betrays a glaring lack of knowledge of running back play. The second statement fails to explain why so many of our plays get blown up in the backfield. If this line is so great why do Zeke and TP both have more than 15 TFLs this season? Last time I checked Pollard is stopped for losses on almost 10% of his carries and Zeke about 5%. That doesn't scream great run blocking line to me. But as you say putting the Smith Brothers on one side together might change that.

Still I keep coming back to the fact that over the last 4 games Zeke and TP have virtually identical ypc averages. The only anomaly since Zeke came back from the knee was Minnesota where he was adjusting to playing in that damn brace again. Overall in the 12 games they have played together this season, they have taken turns having the higher average. Zeke has led in 6 and Pollard has led in 6. You don't want Zeke back? Fine.. your vote will count the exact same amount as mine. But continuing to dismiss the guy's contributions reeks of agenda. You want to know if he has any value to the team.. Ask his teammates and his coaches. We know fans are stupid and get dug in on their pathetic takes and need to be right. The guys with the team lose their jobs for being wrong.. What happens to idiots on the internet when they're wrong?

I wasn't wrong about Cooper,

It wouldn't be a surprise if Pollard has as many backfield loss yardage as Zeke .. .Why ?

- When Defenses sees No.20 Pollard lined up in the backfield , that screams instantly “ Red Alert “ all systems go as a Defense.

- When they see Pollard, it puts them immediately on pins and needles, knowing they cannot let up one single gap or BOOM he’s gone !
and that forces them to hurry and get an " guess' jump on him earlier ..and often as possible before he can gain any momentum room to break one big.

Game breaking playmakers do that .. they frighten the hell outta defense... That's how much pressure they place on defenses.

- With Zeke .. they can live with another day with his 6 yard run. .as he’s a lumbering, .methodical bell cow nowadays vs the glory days where HE use to frighten defenses
because of his great breakaway burst he came into the league in 2016. .and It’s no secret that he simply just no longer presents that fear any more.

You see it too!! Tg someone else has good eyes

They fear Pollard more than any player

He doesn't get as many of those 1-2-3-4-5 yard runs down near the goal line and he still has 12 tds ha ha ha

He'll score from 10,20, and 30 yards out he he he

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I wouldn’t mind Zeke back for 1/5 his salary. Otherwise, it was a good run; see ya.