If Bosa, Elliot and Ramsey are all there

[davey999]

I would go with Bosa.

 

[Plankton]

I'd be happy with
1. Ramsey-future all pro and current stud
2. Elliot-ditto
3. Jack- injury worries me but if he checks out he could be the best of the 3.

Still don't like Bosa

 

[Chuck 54]

RAMSEY has been my top hope all along....he's a difference maker.

I have no interest at all in a LB and very little in a RB. If they won't take Bosa, they sure won't take Buckner.

As for Tunsil, I don't see any chance of drafting him....if you draft Tunsil, you have decided to ride the two OT's....you eventually let the Center and OG walk because they are the easiest to replace.

The fact that Ramsey and Jones can both play CB or S would be huge.

 

[endersdragon]

Make it 3. I never understood the fascination with the high draft pick DB's. This isn't 1989 when all you faced were two wide receiver sets. You had two great corners, you were golden. In todays NFL, you see 4 and 5 WR sets. How are you going to have 4-5 premier CB's to cover them all???? You don't. Its impossible. But what you can have is a tremendous pass rush. I don't care if its Tom Brady back there, if there are guys in his face, he can't throw. Ask Brady when he played against Denver this year. Or ask him when he played against the Giants in two superbowls.

A football team is built in the trenches. Both sides of the line. Anyone who says otherwise has never stepped on a football field at any level. We have finally built ourselves a dominant offensive line. Now focus on building a dominant D line, and watch how quickly our entire defensive backfield gets better. Its not a hard concept to understand.

Deion Sanders was the best cover corner I've ever seen. But even he will admit he can't cover a guy for 5 seconds. Nobody on earth can. But you can take an average corner and he can cover people for 2.5 seconds. Its all about pass rush. Don't give the qb time to throw the ball, and EVERYONE gets better.

Sign me up for Bosa as well.

The problem I have with that is that we have drafted DEs in the second round the past two years. While I get that you can always use more playmakers at DE... are we ever planning to develop our current DEs? Beyond that, in comparing college film, I see nothing to suggest that Bosa will be better than Gregory (assuming Gregory can get his act together) he's supposed to be elite, but I think that he is just the best of a pretty mediocre DE class. Lastly, if a guy is open a few seconds after they snap the ball, the DE will never get there in time, we saw a lot of that I think in 2012, they both feed on each other. If the needs and players were equal I might buy DE ahead of DB, but I just don't see the equalness here.

 

[davey999]

No one is worried that Ramsey had only 3 interceptions in his college career? That seems odd to me.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

No one is worried that Ramsey had only 3 interceptions in his college career? That seems odd to me.

and 0 this past season...

 

[CowboyWay]

The problem I have with that is that we have drafted DEs in the second round the past two years. While I get that you can always use more playmakers at DE... are we ever planning to develop our current DEs? Beyond that, in comparing college film, I see nothing to suggest that Bosa will be better than Gregory (assuming Gregory can get his act together) he's supposed to be elite, but I think that he is just the best of a pretty mediocre DE class.

I hate to say it, but we better let is start sinking in that Gregory is just a flat out knucklehead. How can we possibly depend on him? He failed what...3 drug tests in a year? I thought it was a great pick at the time, but unless this kid figures it out REAL quick...... he will be out of the league in a year or two. Combine that with the fact that we haven't even attempted to sign Hardy (and he can be had on the cheap)....... And Joey Bosa is sitting there when we pick? I think it is a no brainer.

I don't get the Ramsey love. Decent player, but not elite. I don't care what he does in the underwear olympics. Show me on the football field. Picking #4 isn't a place to get cute in my book. Just my opinion though.

 

[QT]

No one is worried that Ramsey had only 3 interceptions in his college career? That seems odd to me.

Look at my sig.

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

JR

 

[reddyuta]

JR

Thats what we are going to call right? he already has a cool nickname.

 

[endersdragon]

No one is worried that Ramsey had only 3 interceptions in his college career? That seems odd to me.

I hate to say it, but we better let is start sinking in that Gregory is just a flat out knucklehead. How can we possibly depend on him? He failed what...3 drug tests in a year? I thought it was a great pick at the time, but unless this kid figures it out REAL quick...... he will be out of the league in a year or two. Combine that with the fact that we haven't even attempted to sign Hardy (and he can be had on the cheap)....... And Joey Bosa is sitting there when we pick? I think it is a no brainer.

I don't get the Ramsey love. Decent player, but not elite. I don't care what he does in the underwear olympics. Show me on the football field. Picking #4 isn't a place to get cute in my book. Just my opinion though.

5 sacks is elite?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You and me both!
He is an over-glorified Greg Ellis.

You really thing that Ellis was 90th percentile in broad jump and agility metrics?

Greg Ellis, picked 8th, was the third DE drafted that year. Bosa is not a reach.

 

[ghst187]

It'd be Ramsey.

He's a real athlete, and he supposedly crushed Combine interviews in case anyone's worried about Claiborne 2.0

I'd prefer a QB but Ramsey isn't a bad consolation. He was also the #1 graded tackling CB I think, so that's pretty cool.

Since when exactly did tackling become a key stat by which to judge CBs? Where does Sherman rank? Oh yeah no one cares.....it's all about the INTs at CB And Ramsey has only 3 career picks...one less than the LB Jack did without playing last season. Just sayin

 

[endersdragon]

Since when exactly did tackling become a key stat by which to judge CBs? Where does Sherman rank? Oh yeah no one cares.....it's all about the INTs at CB And Ramsey has only 3 career picks...one less than the LB Jack did without playing last season. Just sayin

Lately the biggest problem with a lot of the CBs we have picked is that they can't ****ing tackle. Look at Mo. Also Revis Island never saw all that many picks (I don't think he was ever at the top of the league in INTs), are you saying he wasn't elite. Lastly, we can work on a guys hands more than we can work on a guys athleticism, give me the athlete with one workable problem any day.

 

[BigStar]

I would go with Bosa.

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Just messin, you're right though, probably Bosa or Ramsey/trade down.

 

[BigStar]

Since when exactly did tackling become a key stat by which to judge CBs? Where does Sherman rank? Oh yeah no one cares.....it's all about the INTs at CB And Ramsey has only 3 career picks...one less than the LB Jack did without playing last season. Just sayin

I would want him at SS if we do choose him so I do like that aspect but agree that pure coverage corners get a pass in that regard. I know the team will probably start him @ CB to justify how high he was selected but I would rather a duo of Jones/Ramsey if possible. Scan/avg corners and great S play is a good foundation (SEA). Just need Hardy back and the DL doesn't look bad either w the hopes that Gregory has matured and can supplant him @ RE by the end of the season.

 

[BigStar]

I hate to say it, but we better let is start sinking in that Gregory is just a flat out knucklehead. How can we possibly depend on him? He failed what...3 drug tests in a year? I thought it was a great pick at the time, but unless this kid figures it out REAL quick...... he will be out of the league in a year or two. Combine that with the fact that we haven't even attempted to sign Hardy (and he can be had on the cheap)....... And Joey Bosa is sitting there when we pick? I think it is a no brainer.

I don't get the Ramsey love. Decent player, but not elite. I don't care what he does in the underwear olympics. Show me on the football field. Picking #4 isn't a place to get cute in my book. Just my opinion though.

Bosa is a Greg Ellis clone (slow, lacks quick twitch change in direction ability but is reliable for an average number of sacks). Not exactly a blue chipper but talented nonetheless. Applies to both players (Bosa and Ramsey; not knowing their value in the NFL) so would pick Ramsey at SS and leave Lawrence @ LE. If there is a half decent trade down offer, I'd take that and get Joseph (S) in the 2nd. Just sign Hardy for 4M and get it over with (thinking pre draft instead of forcing need pick for Bosa). Man up JJ, penalize him, bench him, fine him and JJ has to support it this go round, etc. The players know JG is not the one they answer to...JJ has to make that work.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

5 sacks is elite?

70 pressures is. So are 15 TFL. So is the pass rushing efficiency where he gets pressure very 4th rush. That is despite teams not respecting Bennett and Spence's replacement and OC's double and triple teaming Bosa.

 

[endersdragon]

70 pressures is. So are 15 TFL. So is the pass rushing efficiency where he gets pressure very 4th rush. That is despite teams not respecting Bennett and Spence's replacement and OC's double and triple teaming Bosa.

Wait... if we are judging a CB by his INTs and his INTs alone, I think we have to do that for both players don't we? Sacks are the only stat that now matters for DEs.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Bosa is a Greg Ellis clone. Not exactly a blue chipper but talented nonetheless. Applies to both players (Bosa and Ramsey; not knowing their value in the NFL) so would pick Ramsey at SS and leave Lawrence @ LE.

In what ways is he a clone of Ellis?

Off the top of my head UNC didn't move Ellis around. He never had the hand skills. He never had the plethora of pass rush moves that he could seamlessly flow from one to the other with. I don't recall Ellis physically mauling OT in college either.

No I think you just compare how Greg Ellis made you feel disappointed and expect the same feeling from Bosa.