If CLE trades for Mariota, does Jerry trade for Manziel?

[Ultra Warrior]

No, absolutely not.
Did I say no?
No, the answer is no.

/End thread

 

[jnday]

Yup JJ said Manziel was actually rated higher than Martin. I think the Browns was a bad spot for Manziel and they kind of mishandle him. At the same token Manziel should have stayed in college if he still had some play left in him. Manziel went to rehab and everyone will look to see how he responds. I think if JJ wants him this is the year to get him since Cleveland morale on Manziel is the lowest and they are publicly seeking his replacment. There is a good chance Cleveland might drop some picks on a qb and recouping a mid round pick for Manziel might be something they will look into.

The Browns are career killers for QBs. My whole point in this thread has been to say that nobody knows what Manziel can do. Fans have not seen him sober or dedicated to being the best QB that he can possibly be. For the posters that think I have an agenda, I have never watched a complete game with him as QB. I was not a big Manziel fan. I see a chance to get a QB that has special talent. Also the team scouts had him rated highly.

 

[DandyDon1722]

For a late round draft choice? Sign me up. I'll gladly send a 7th rounder this year to Cleveland to possibly obtain Romo's replacement. Say what you will, but there was some level of consideration for using last year's 1st rounder. His rookie season went as poorly as it could have, no doubt, but the same talents and traits that people saw last year are still there.

If he's made available on the cheap, if Cleveland drafted another QB of the future, I would send them a late round draft pick.

I wouldn't start to defend Manziel's issues, but it seems obvious to me that the system in Cleveland absolutely sucks. From Josh Gordon, to Justin Gilbert, to Manziel. The team either pursues guys with issues, or they do nothing to help their players avoid them. Take your pick on that. I think the Cowboys have proven to have a much better staff and a much better system in place. I have faith in their ability to help Manziel turn things around.

So yeah, for a late round draft pick, I would roll the dice on Manziel as Romo's eventual successor. Worst case scenario, it costs me a 7th round crap shoot on another player.

I tend to agree with Jnday and Stash on this one. I'm really taken back by all the hate too and I wonder if it's an Aggie thing with Texas people here. If not, then there is plenty of other ammo to use against him, I get it, but I wouldn't be so quick to toss him to the curb. Making the comparison to other great college quarterbacks who didn't make it in the NFL is a fail. He wasn't Eric Crouch or Gino Toretta he was great in the SEC, in a throwing offense, which was light years ahead of anything even Tebow ran when he played.

Manziel had some intangibles that were special and one year with the Cleveland Browns should not be a death sentence to his career. Although many probably don't think he deserves the benefit of the doubt I'm willing to see what he's like after rehab.

Tell you what - if you take out all the dramatics and ingrained hateraid - I'd rather be investing time on trying to develop a sober Johnny Manziel than Dustin Vaughn at this point.

 

[Derinyar]

Anyone who wouldn't gamble a 7th and a second half of the 1st round rookie contract on someone who was universally considered a 2nd round talent or better last year has a bias.

I'd do a 7th without thinking about it, and hope you catch lightning in a bottle. I'd seriously consider a 5th. He has mechanical issues, well if he's serious and willing to commit himself now, mechanical stuff can be fixed. The salary load isn't anything too rough, about 1 million a year for the next three years.

Do I think Johnny Football is going to become a starter? No stinking clue. He got off to a terrible start. If him going into rehab is a sign of him being serious about recommitting himself and straightening things out then here's hoping. Do I think Johnny Football is a better bet then any QB in this draft other then Mariota and Winston? I think I'd probably say so. This is a terrible QB draft. Petty you're hoping to teach him how to play QB. Hundley doesn't seem to feel the rush at all. You're looking at 2 first round QBs and then a lot of guys that many don't think are better then 4th round talents.

 

[gmoney112]

Johnny Manziel getting that signing bonus from the Browns was borderline extortion. I guess the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree.

It has nothing to do with him being an Aggie, the kid hasn't been sober since he was 15. His antics at A&M went unnoticed and now that's in the NFL he's having to man up for his actions for the first time in his life and I think the entire world saw what happened.

I think rehab was purely a PR move. The guy parties. A lot. Which is fine, but not when your career starts off with one of the worst quarterbacking performances I've ever seen. Or you have the skills of Michael Irvin. But he doesn't. I'd rather not waste the time or roster spot attempting to develop him. The only way I'd ever take the chance is with a contract stipulation that he gets tested twice a week, including alcohol.

I think he genuinely wants to succeed, he's just been "coddled" I guess for too long, I just don't think he really knows how to succeed at this level.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Anyone who wouldn't gamble a 7th and a second half of the 1st round rookie contract on someone who was universally considered a 2nd round talent or better last year has a bias.

There is a long history of players universally considered better than him that were drafted higher than him who were complete busts. They weren't worth 7th round picks either. No bias - fact.

 

[big dog cowboy]

The Browns are career killers for QBs.

Right on the money.

 

[Derinyar]

There is a long history of players universally considered better than him that were drafted higher than him who were complete busts. They weren't worth 7th round picks either. No bias - fact.

His off field problems are very worrisome. His on field play was bad, but hardly conclusive. Placing him firmly in the bust category at this point feels a little bit premature. Many players come on after a year or two. About most other players I'd be willing to bet you wouldn't say they were completely set in stone after about two games worth of snaps. I think its highly likely that Manziel never turns into anything. But saying that he's not worth a 7th at this point feels foolish. And the chances of a seventh ever doing anything worthwhile is low enough that, to me at least, it feels like you're taking a slightly better gamble then picking someone in that round.

Its all likely a moot discussion because I doubt Cleveland really moves entirely on from him this year.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I would offer a 6th rounder and nothing else.............he can run my scout team in practice so none of my real QBs tire their arms out.

 

[lostar2009]

The Browns are career killers for QBs. My whole point in this thread has been to say that nobody knows what Manziel can do. Fans have not seen him sober or dedicated to being the best QB that he can possibly be. For the posters that think I have an agenda, I have never watched a complete game with him as QB. I was not a big Manziel fan. I see a chance to get a QB that has special talent. Also the team scouts had him rated highly.

Yeah I agree, Manziel has the tools but it boils down to he have the dedication and displine to succeed.

 

[casmith07]

Print it bold: Manziel cannot play in this league.

 

[jnday]

Print it bold: Manziel cannot play in this league.

You may not like him , but he has a special skill set. At the very least you should be willing to admit that being sober and putting in hard work could lead to success. People turn their lives around every day.

 

[burmafrd]

You may not like him , but he has a special skill set. At the very least you should be willing to admit that being sober and putting in hard work could lead to success. People turn their lives around every day.

yeah but do you really see that with Manziel? is there ANYTHING in his background and history that hints at that.

I keep hearing about this special skill set but frankly I never saw it. Yeah he ran around and made some plays but a whole lot of College QBs do that and never amount to anything in the NFL. And MANY of them never had the personal problems he has.

 

[pansophy]

You may not like him , but he has a special skill set. At the very least you should be willing to admit that being sober and putting in hard work could lead to success. People turn their lives around every day.

If true then why would the Browns dump him when they only have to pay the 2nd half of a rookie salary to see how he turns out?

The media circus alone stops me from wanting him here. We do need to start grooming our next QB but he's not the guy for this team right now.

 

[Vintage]

You may not like him , but he has a special skill set. At the very least you should be willing to admit that being sober and putting in hard work could lead to success. People turn their lives around every day.

Yes. He could turn it around.

But as you have admitted, thus far, he hasn't committed to being sober and a professional. Two traits that I don't want to gamble on in hopes he suddenly sees the light.

What we do know is he was a first round draft pick.... And decided that loafing and partying was the way to start his career. Not exactly traits I want in a QB.

 

[Deep_South]

I think Johnny Football has the skills to play in the NFL, but he still needs a couple of years on the bench to even think about playing. If he would have stayed in school, he would still be eligible to play this year at A&M. Recall Bill Parcells said if Tony would have started after 2 years in the NFL he would have been out of football. JF started a couple of games last season after only 2 years of college ball.

 

[joseephuss]

You may not like him , but he has a special skill set. At the very least you should be willing to admit that being sober and putting in hard work could lead to success. People turn their lives around every day.

What is his special skill set? What exactly do you see him do that countless other college QBs who have failed at the NFL level did not have? I really am curious because I'm not seeing it. When I think of special skill set I think of Andrew Luck and guys similar to him.

 

[jnday]

If true then why would the Browns dump him when they only have to pay the 2nd half of a rookie salary to see how he turns out?

The media circus alone stops me from wanting him here. We do need to start grooming our next QB but he's not the guy for this team right now.

It is no secret that his behavior has finished his time with the Browns. The whole organization is done with him.'the coaches and players was fed up with his immature drug use and drinking. They can never trust him again. The media circus would be over if he was holding a clipboard without the chance to start.

 

[jnday]

What is his special skill set? What exactly do you see him do that countless other college QBs who have failed at the NFL level did not have? I really am curious because I'm not seeing it. When I think of special skill set I think of Andrew Luck and guys similar to him.

Go back and watch his college games. You may not like him , but the talent is there. There was enough skill that the a Cowboy scouts rated him ahead of Martin.

 

[joseephuss]

Go back and watch his college games. You may not like him , but the talent is there. There was enough skill that the a Cowboy scouts rated him ahead of Martin.

So you can't or won't answer the question. I watched plenty of his games. He has some talent. I don't see special talent.