If Columbo is our starting RT who do you keep in reserve at tackle?

[Bob Sacamano]

Watkins = 3 year starter at Florida State. Most thought had 1st day draft potential.

Pat McQuistan. 2 year player at Weber State not even included in most draft guides other than "Brother of 3rd round guy."

Nice comparison. Wanna throw some more straw men in on this?

same principle, sacrifice potential to feel better about your backup situation

 

[speedkilz88]

Pat McQuistan. 2 year player at Weber State not even included in most draft guides other than "Brother of 3rd round guy."

This means absolutely nothing to our head coach. And it shouldn't. lol

 

[wileedog]

This means absolutely nothing to our head coach. And it shouldn't. lol

And again, the point flies right past you.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

And again, the point flies right past you.

what point? it looks like small-school ignorance to me

 

[wileedog]

same principle, sacrifice potential to feel better about your backup situation

Irrelevant argument. DIfferent player, different level of competition, different position. Many 1st round OTs stuggle to adjust to the NFL, much less 7th rounder with 2 years experience. PLenty of safeties and CBs have an impact their first year.

Lets stay on topic.

 

[Screw The Hall]

There's no reason for anyone to fool themselves here, there isn't an attractive option to back up Flozell. It will get real ugly in a big hurry if Mr Adams goes down. The question is ... has Fabini shown enough to knock youngsters with promise out of a roster spot if he doesn't win the starting RT job? To that I answer no.

 

[wileedog]

and to use theogt, things are supposed to be falling into place now, and that's as McQ as the top backup at LT, so obviously Bill has more faith in McQ than what he's alluding to

ANd I'll re-iterate. If that is the case and Bill fells that McQ can outperform Fabini, I am MORE than fine with that. I will be extremely surprised, but happy Bill pulled a great pick out of nowhere.

All I'm doing is pointing out that McQ is still facing tough odds, and I think some people may be getting ahead of themselves based on a couple of Bill's comments.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

oh, and my example was very relevant since all backups are supposed to come in and minimize the damage in case a starter is out

 

[speedkilz88]

what point? it looks like small-school ignorance to me

His point is if McQ was a second round pick with the same amount of talent and production in camp and preseason that he already has then he wouldn't have a problem keeping him on the roster.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

His point is if McQ was a second round pick with the same amount of talent and production in camp and preseason that he already has then he wouldn't have a problem keeping him on the roster.

yep...small-school ignorance

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What was hyperbolic about it?

Is he not a 7th round pick that 9 out of 10 people scratched their head over?

Did he not go to Weber State? Did he not only play 2 years there? Is Fabini not a 8 year vet who played on a solid Jet line that was part of winning Martin a rushing title?

Hey, I'm as encouraged about MCq as everybody else based on Bill's comments. But again, Bill also emphatically said he would not trust McQ in a real game right now. How can you go into the season with that guy as your main backup at LT?

I said it was borderline.

Furthermore you dont adress my points. McQuistan is kept inactive to hold him and perhaps halfway through the season contribute.

Furthermore McQuistan outplayed Fabini this last preseason game. He got better puish and didnt let a free run off on the QB a la the italian at RT.

And eve further Pettiti outplayed Fabini. For all the mindless Fabini love he got outplayed by the younger guys.

Fabini at this point is marginal at best.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Fabini at this point is marginal at best.

the only role Fabini has right now is as the backup RT, which btw, wasn't the reason for him being brought in, I see no way he sticks unless there is serious doubt about Flo's health throughout the season

 

[wileedog]

His point is if McQ was a second round pick with the same amount of talent and production in camp and preseason that he already has then he wouldn't have a problem keeping him on the roster.

*sigh*

No, my point is that guys talented enough to walk into their rookie camp and unseat a 9 year vet generally don't come out of the 7th round after a non-descript 2 year career at Weber State.

If he is that talented and good by all means keep him. PLay him. Heck, start him. I'm only pointing out the odds of this are generally Rudy-esqe, a couple of encouraging words from Bill aside.

 

[wileedog]

Furthermore McQuistan outplayed Fabini this last preseason game. He got better puish and didnt let a free run off on the QB a la the italian at RT.

And eve further Pettiti outplayed Fabini. For all the mindless Fabini love he got outplayed by the younger guys.

Fabini at this point is marginal at best.

And McQ was extremely inconsistent against NO who have better DE's then SF.

He still hasn't played a down in a real game either.

THere's no 'love' here for Fabini, I'm really trying to just have a discussion here about the merits of either. Its not like were talking QBs here where the rules are you have to defend your guy to the death or somethin

My only point is that Fabini is the safer pick, and Rob doesn't look like he has impressed at camp so far. I fully acknowledge Fabini is an average player at this point, but unllike McQ at least you know what you've got against real NFL competition, and its better than what we had there last year.

If Parcells thinks McQ can be Fabini by mid-season, then by all means do it. I'm just skeptical is all.

 

[DLCassidy]

ANd I'll re-iterate. If that is the case and Bill fells that McQ can outperform Fabini, I am MORE than fine with that. I will be extremely surprised, but happy Bill pulled a great pick out of nowhere.

All I'm doing is pointing out that McQ is still facing tough odds, and I think some people may be getting ahead of themselves based on a couple of Bill's comments.

The funny thing about Pat is you don't have to look far to see what more experience will do for him. He has an identical twin with similar potential. The reason Paul was a 3rd rounder and Pat was a 7th is Paul is more experienced. That's it. This is sorta like the NBA where they draft kids out of HS knowing they'll get nothing out of them for at least a year and maybe several. The handwriting is on the wall that the staff feel McQuistan has more long term potential than Petitti. Pat is going to be on this team.

Now on the other debate, which IMO is the only debate, I can see strong points for both sides- Petitti and Fabini. I doubt we keep both. IMO this decision, the decision on Skyler Green and the decision on whether to keep a KO specialist (the latter 2 may well be related from a #'s standpoint) are the biggest 3 calls BP has left to make.

 

[Dough Boy]

Is Fabini (sp) a progress stopper for McQ. You don't judge McQ solely by his play today, you look 8 weeks into the deal. If you project out the play, 8 weeks from now, how much better will McQ be. In my mind, Fabini is a progress stopper.

 

[Angus]

Look at it this way. Assuming that the potential worth of the two is equal (short term for one/long term for the other), which release of them has the greater risk? Is it more likely that McQuistan will not be available for the practice squad; or is it more likely thal Fabini will not be available later if needed? I think Parcells would rather risk Fabini than McQuistan. Cutting McQuistan carries the greater risk, in my opinion.

 

[theogt]

Look at it this way. Assuming that the potential worth of the two is equal (short term for one/long term for the other), which release of them has the greater risk? Is it more likely that McQuistan will not be available for the practice squad; or is it more likely thal Fabini will not be available later if needed? I think Parcells would rather risk Fabini than McQuistan. Cutting McQuistan carries the greater risk, in my opinion.

Fabini would be signed in free agency without a doubt. There is simply no doubt that someone would sign him. He's a starting quality RT for Pete's sake. McQ however will likely make it to through waivers to the practice squad. People here are way overrating him based on a few comments by Parcells about his potential. He was very close to not getting drafted and he hasn't exactly lit it up in the games he's played. I can't see any team willing to sacrifice a spot on the 53 man roster for such an unknown.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Look at it this way. Assuming that the potential worth of the two is equal (short term for one/long term for the other), which release of them has the greater risk? Is it more likely that McQuistan will not be available for the practice squad; or is it more likely thal Fabini will not be available later if needed? I think Parcells would rather risk Fabini than McQuistan. Cutting McQuistan carries the greater risk, in my opinion.

young OTs with potential are a hot commodity, and cutting McQ in hopes of adding him to the PS means he will have to clear waivers, and 31 NFL teams will have a shot at him, he will get snatched up IMO

 

[theogt]

young OTs with potential are a hot commodity, and cutting McQ in hopes of adding him to the PS means he will have to clear waivers, and 31 NFL teams will have a shot at him, he will get snatched up IMO

Young, raw OTs with potential are a dime a dozen, really. It all depends on what the scout sees.