If Columbo is our starting RT who do you keep in reserve at tackle?

[speedkilz88]

You can only suit up 45 on gameday, the whole point to having a swing tackle is you only need one backup at tackle active. McQ will be stashed and groomed on the inactive list, that leaves it between Petitti and Fabini for the swing tackle spot; I think that would be Petitti since Fabini has gone from awful to okay since camp started. (Not enough to stop progress)

 

[wileedog]

saying this over and over, doesn't make it true

Fabini will likely have no impact on how many ball games we win if he stays on the team, neither will McQ or Pettiti, who will, they're freakin' backups

Did you say this about Tucker last year?

Wow, this McQ love has gotten serious. A couple of months ago 99% of this board had no idea who this guy was. Now after a 2 year career at Weber State and being a surprise 7th round pick he's going to walk into camp and beat out a solid 9 year vet?

Hey, I hope he's that good, but this is a pretty tall order.

 

[wileedog]

that's not as strong as saying you'd die for someone

If you are not telling the truth anyway, does it really matter how strong the statement is? DO you really think he will not cut Pettiti if he doesn't improve because he once told him he would die for him?

In Parcells mind, I'm guessing he was saying what he thought the player needed to hear.

sorry if I like to throw caution to the wind and get rid of the player who'll be gone in a couple years anyways

Sorry if I want to win this year if possible. I'd hate to lose that opportunity because we couldn't afford to miss the chance to groom our 7th round pick who nobody's heard of.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I will give theogt and wileedog this, if there's any indication that Flo will struggle w/ his health, then I could see Dallas keeping Fabini

 

[Bob Sacamano]

If you are not telling the truth anyway, does it really matter how strong the statement is? DO you really think he will not cut Pettiti if he doesn't improve because he once told him he would die for him?

In Parcells mind, I'm guessing he was saying what he thought the player needed to hear.

there's a 3-year rule for rookies, remember that? and remember how Bill is a staunch believer in it? he's going to give Rob 3 years to prove himself, and it's not like he's looking like a major liability out there

Sorry if I want to win this year if possible. I'd hate to lose that opportunity because we couldn't afford to miss the chance to groom our 7th round pick who nobody's heard of.

one with as much potential that McQ has, yes, I'd hate to lose that player

if BIll kept Lousaka Polite around, there's no doubt in my mind he's going to be keeping Petitti and McQ for longer than a year

 

[speedkilz88]

Parcell's really doesn't give a crap where somebody was drafted or if willedog never heard of him. If they play well enough to make his team, then they make his team.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Did you say this about Tucker last year?

no, my hindsight is 20/80

Wow, this McQ love has gotten serious.

and this Fabini love is delirious

A couple of months ago 99% of this board had no idea who this guy was. Now after a 2 year career at Weber State and being a surprise 7th round pick he's going to walk into camp and beat out a solid 9 year vet?

Hey, I hope he's that good, but this is a pretty tall order.

he's not that good now, but he has loads of potential, and with BIll's track record of not producing young lineman, I'm sure he's thinking about that and McQ's potential

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Parcell's really doesn't give a crap where somebody was drafted or if willedog never heard of him. If they play well enough to make his team, then they make his team.

 

[wileedog]

Parcell's really doesn't give a crap where somebody was drafted or if willedog never heard of him. If they play well enough to make his team, then they make his team.

THat's not what I'm arguing.

WHat I'm saying is that the chances of a guy you never heard of either walking on as a 7th round pick and beating out a guy like Fabini are generally bad. Worse, he still hasn't even gone through a full year in an NFL conditioning program yet. Really, if he does get on the field for any extended period this year the BEST you could probably hope for is what Pettiti did last year. Fabini is a much better option if your plan is to win this year.

Look, I hope he does beat out Fabini and I hope its because Bill thinks sometime THIS SEASON he will be just as good a player as him. If not we are taking a terrible chance - again - with our offensive line.

I'm not arguing that Bill shoulnd't or wouldn't keep the best player for now or the future. But as the man said, he's not shopping for "green bananas."

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Worse, he still hasn't even gone through a full year in an NFL conditioning preogram yet.

and he's still looking pretty good most of the times, Bill aint risking the chance that he gets picked up by another team

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Did you say this about Tucker last year?

Wow, this McQ love has gotten serious. A couple of months ago 99% of this board had no idea who this guy was. Now after a 2 year career at Weber State and being a surprise 7th round pick he's going to walk into camp and beat out a solid 9 year vet?

Hey, I hope he's that good, but this is a pretty tall order.

This borders on hyperbole.

First of all, Parcells has mentioned him several times as being very quick to pickup on things and also having all the tools to suceed at LT.

Second of all, this rookie just held his own at LT, the most difficult spot on the OL, with the first team for two quarters.

He was going up against Wimbley and did not give up a tackle and we wre able to run behind him.

Imagine if say Drew Henson were to show this type of development.

 

[wileedog]

and this Fabini love is delirious

THere is no 'love' for Fabini. I just don't want the entire season to rest on Flo's knee again. We don't have the depth right now on the O-line to have the luxery of keeping a guy for his 'potential.'

If he can't be a solid, at least average LT *this* year, then we either have to carry 5 tackles and inactive McQ or hope he makes it to the PS.

He didn't look like one against NO. He looked better against SF but there ends aren't as good as NO's. Lets see what happens with Minny.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

This borders on hyperbole.

First of all, Parcells has mentioned him several times as being very quick to pickup on things and also having all the tools to suceed at LT.

Second of all, this rookie just held his own at LT, the most difficult spot on the OL, with the first team for two quarters.

He was going up against Wimbley and did not give up a tackle and we wre able to run behind him.

Imagine if say Drew Henson were to show this type of development.

it's Lawson, but other than that

 

[Bob Sacamano]

THere is no 'love' for Fabini. I just don't want the entire season to rest on Flo's knee again. We don't have the depth right now on the O-line to have the luxery of keeping a guy for his 'potential.'

let's cut Watkins and keep Coleman then while we're at it...

 

[speedkilz88]

THat's not what I'm arguing.

WHat I'm saying is that the chances of a guy you never heard of either walking on as a 7th round pick and beating out a guy like Fabini are generally bad. Worse, he still hasn't even gone through a full year in an NFL conditioning program yet. Really, if he does get on the field for any extended period this year the BEST you could probably hope for is what Pettiti did last year. Fabini is a much better option if your plan is to win this year.

Look, I hope he does beat out Fabini and I hope its because Bill thinks sometime THIS SEASON he will be just as good a player as him. If not we are taking a terrible chance - again - with our offensive line.

I'm not arguing that Bill shoulnd't or wouldn't keep the best player for now or the future. But as the man said, he's not shopping for "green bananas."

Thats why they have Petitti. He is the veteran tackle in case of injury. McQuistan is the guy you develop on the inactive list. Last year Vollers would have been that guy(vet backup) but he got hurt at the end of camp and they had to give him an injury settlement that kept them from resigning him.

 

[wileedog]

This borders on hyperbole.

First of all, Parcells has mentioned him several times as being very quick to pickup on things and also having all the tools to suceed at LT.

Second of all, this rookie just held his own at LT, the most difficult spot on the OL, with the first team for two quarters.

He was going up against Wimbley and did not give up a tackle and we wre able to run behind him.

Imagine if say Drew Henson were to show this type of development.

What was hyperbolic about it?

Is he not a 7th round pick that 9 out of 10 people scratched their head over?

Did he not go to Weber State? Did he not only play 2 years there? Is Fabini not a 8 year vet who played on a solid Jet line that was part of winning Martin a rushing title?

Hey, I'm as encouraged about MCq as everybody else based on Bill's comments. But again, Bill also emphatically said he would not trust McQ in a real game right now. How can you go into the season with that guy as your main backup at LT?

 

[LaTunaNostra]

But as the man said, he's not shopping for "green bananas."

That WAS a great quote, wasn't it? And better believe, Bill meant it.

But who knows, still green but close to riping night look tastier than over-ripe and close to rotting.

No hate on Fabini (I'm sure even Pennington has forgiven him at this point), but if Rob's pass protect is his major liability, well that's an area that even in his prime Jason did not come anywhere near elite in.

 

[wileedog]

let's cut Watkins and keep Coleman then while we're at it...

Watkins = 3 year starter at Florida State. Most thought had 1st day draft potential.

Pat McQuistan. 2 year player at Weber State not even included in most draft guides other than "Brother of 3rd round guy."

Nice comparison. Wanna throw some more straw men in on this?

 

[speedkilz88]

Petitti is going to be the swing tackle, can you not get that?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

How can you go into the season with that guy as your main backup at LT?

well to date, McQ has been filling in for Flo...not Fabini

and to use theogt, things are supposed to be falling into place now, and that's as McQ as the top backup at LT, so obviously Bill has more faith in McQ than what he's alluding to