If Dak has a year like last year, this will be his final year with the team

[Hadenough]

Losing Callahan probably hurt us a bit as well

I'm glad you mentioned Callahan. He was key to having a true running game. One that gets positive yards in the RedZone.

 

[Hadenough]

Jerry bungles everything and I meant losing Callahan didn’t help things .
as far as excuses go they have been used pretty heavily here for the last 2 qbs

It’s a team game and I don’t fault either qb as being solely the blame between Garrett and KM both have had uphill battle

I don’t need another long biography from you defending your favorite player of all time but what I do say Prescott is flawed and this year should be it if the team fails but it won’t be

I quit expecting much from this team years ago. I got excited in 14,16 but after that I’ve come to grips as long as booger is in charge this what we’ll get

Guys like you have made this board miserable over the past few year hijacking’s threads making every thing about Prescott so I’ll laugh when Jerry reworks things

I think Jerry was a big problem for a lot of those years. But the Cowboys have yet to draft a QB in the first round since Aikman. Rodgers could of been the savior but nope let's just pass up a QB because we have other needs. I'm so sick of the 2nd rate QBs this team has had. They fold on the bigger stages. They lack the ice in their veins and mentality to execute under pressure. That's the difference between landing a QB with pedigree. Even guys that may not play as well in the regular season as Dak will perform better than Dak in the post season because Daks fall off mentally and some of that comes from his lack of physical accuracy and ball placement.

 

[starfan1]

I think Jerry was a big problem for a lot of those years. But the Cowboys have yet to draft a QB in the first round since Aikman. Rodgers could of been the savior but nope let's just pass up a QB because we have other needs. I'm so sick of the 2nd rate QBs this team has had. They fold on the bigger stages. They lack the ice in their veins and mentality to execute under pressure. That's the difference between landing a QB with pedigree. Even guys that may not play as well in the regular season as Dak will perform better than Dak in the post season because Daks fall off mentally and some of that comes from his lack of physical accuracy and ball placement.

So does mr irrelevant have ice in his veins for SF? Purdy had a better TEAM and that’s where Jerry fails

I don’t think you need a 1st rounder you just need to fill holes smartly

That said the last 2 don’t appear to be the answer but we’re stuck with Dak now

Perhaps you send a message if Will Levis drops but man we need OL and DL pretty bad

 

[McKDaddy]

NFL franchises have a lot of freedom. However, any that want to remain relevant have to do enough to provide their fans with hope. Sometimes that means a splashy WR signing, sometimes a coaching staff reset.

If Dak doesn't do something this season to restore some level of confidence in himself as a QB fans could have hope in, can you really trot him back out there for another season? How do you sell that to fans during the next offseason? Does the team not quit on you if you try to do that? It's more than just salary cap that will be considered.

Sometimes you just have to reshuffle the deck regardless of the costs.

 

[CCBoy]

Here's what I am seeing with Dak Presscot at present:

• Dak, who has built a mini football field in his backyard, has regularly had throwing sessions at his house with his receivers. Players such as Noah Brown and Cedrick Wilson have benefitted in the past from their time with Dak. This year, the QB said he's been throwing to players such as Jalen Tolbert, Dennis Houston, Simi Fehoko and KaVontae Turpin.

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/dak-helping-scout-wrs-talks-tes-outlook-more

 

[CowboyRoy]

You finally said something that made sense. Congratulations.

Ive said that for years buddy. If you thought we had a championship squad thats on you.

But again, at 9 wins predicted, you knew we didnt. So again, the act you put on that would should win it all is rather hilarious. Keep on trolling!!!

 

[CowboyRoy]

Well, you at least take another Dak in the 4th round stab about/by now, wouldn't you?

I wouldnt pass up on any QB any year they thought could be a franchise QB. One of Jerry's big mistakes in team building. He's going to wind up paying Dak 50 million because he has no other options. Its dumb. He should have two young studs developing in the wings at all times.

I like the kid from TCU this year as a sleeper QB.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Uhhhh, NO.

Dak would definitely get them to the SB. Hurts not making the playoffs is debatable.

Dak with the #1 Oline in football, a great run game and those receiving weapons would be lighting up the league. Then combine that with the #2 defense in the NFL. Cmon give me a break.

The Eagles beat the niners by just running the football.

 

[Adreme]

I wouldnt pass up on any QB any year they thought could be a franchise QB. One of Jerry's big mistakes in team building. He's going to wind up paying Dak 50 million because he has no other options. Its dumb. He should have two young studs developing in the wings at all times.

I like the kid from TCU this year as a sleeper QB.

This is one of those times where success clouded judgement on how likely an outcome is. If you were to go back 30 years the "stud" QBs found after round 2 would be: Tom Brady, Tony Romo, Russell Wilson, and maybe if he pans out Brock Purdy. That is in 30 years. There have been significantly more than 5 attempts at finding late round QBs as well. You could spend the next 10 years using all your 4th round and later picks on QBs and not get a stud in a single pick.

 

[CowboyRoy]

This is one of those times where success clouded judgement on how likely an outcome is. If you were to go back 30 years the "stud" QBs found after round 2 would be: Tom Brady, Tony Romo, Russell Wilson, and maybe if he pans out Brock Purdy. That is in 30 years. There have been significantly more than 5 attempts at finding late round QBs as well. You could spend the next 10 years using all your 4th round and later picks on QBs and not get a stud in a single pick.

Are you talking elite or top 10? Im not opposed to first or 2nd round at all.

 

[Jarntt]

You won't find a bigger Dak fan anywhere then me. But even I can see the writing on he wall. He's not Jerrys choice. I've said this since his rookie yr. Jerry wouldn't even entertain the idea of having him starter over Romo even with him t taking the league by storm that first yr. AND it's not like Jerry doesn't throw a sunrise jab at da fk every chance he gets. I think that contract negotiation and his agent hoping the price every time they talk he was the last straw for Jerry.

If he has a yr anywhere like last yr, this will ge his final yr with the team IMO. He has 61 mil still guaranteed, and a 59mil cap hit next yr. So they can make him a June cut and save 28.5mil. Get 28.5 mil in june to sign guys like Ceedee and Diggs. Of course you have a huge hole but it is and eat it is.

https://titanswire.usatoday.com/2023/03/01/tennessee-titans-salary-cap-space-2024
Overthecap is projecting 256mil cap in 2024 and Dallas has 46 players under contract. Which means Dallas has the 51 cap number basically set. As of right now Dallas has 6.4mil in caproom another 6 in June. Dallas will need around 3mil to pay their rookies. So take 9mil in rollover for 2024. With OTC projections Dallas could walk into 2024 with a 265 mil adjected cap with 212mil already allocated. So they can have 43mil in cap space.

Now say Dak is just not getting it done, moving on from him wouldn't kill the team because they've drafted so good. The majority of the team is on rookie deals. This forum has hated this deal since it was signed because they saw 40mil AAV, but he's had 21Mil AAV since signing his deal and we're in yr 3 of 4. This shows you this team knows what they're doing with their contracts. Yeah 30mil is a big chunk, but it's alot better than 59mil. And that's 30mil for nothing just dead money if he's gone. But it doesn't kill you because you have 46 players already signed. And the core is already under contract.

I kind of agree that if Dak plays as "not great" as last year he won't be getting another contract here but he will be here for a minimum two years IMO unless we find some unexpected star QB out of nowhere. He just wasn't anywhere near a $50M player last year and if he plays that way again you can't give him what amounts to over 20% of your cap (less after adjusted for backloading of course). It's one thing to overpay a QB because it's the going rate and that's how it works in today's NFL. It's another thing to tie yourself to a guy for another 4 to 5 years when those years run ages 32 - 36 when you didn't get the return you hoped for in his prime late 20's. This isn't to say that was Dak's fault because there were injuries and good but not great talent around him, but he was a part of it and you need to do something differently because expecting Dak to be better at the end of his next contract than he is at the end of this one would be wishful thinking. With no cap I'm good with Dak as QB. I think he is better than average for sure and would categorize him as "good". At this age I think he is somewhere around the top 10, maybe 12 at worst. But for that % of your cap you need a borderline great QB to be a better team than a team that has an average QB on a cheap rookie or vet FA deal who can fit more top players under the cap with the savings. He's got two yeas to earn it IMO. Personally I think he has a really good year this year, earns his deal and gives us hope going forward. Fingers crossed

 

[CATCH17]

Zeke was VERY little help to Dak the last 4 years. He never took over a game once the line was compromised. He rarely did anything after year 3. Zeke is overblown. Pollard opens the offense up more for Dak by far. Everyone knows that.

100%

And Gibbs brings more of that if he is brought in.

Guys that do what Zeke has done the past few years are a dime a dozen.

Pollard and Gibbs types are rare.

 

[LatinMind]

I kind of agree that if Dak plays as "not great" as last year he won't be getting another contract here but he will be here for a minimum two years IMO unless we find some unexpected star QB out of nowhere. He just wasn't anywhere near a $50M player last year and if he plays that way again you can't give him what amounts to over 20% of your cap (less after adjusted for backloading of course). It's one thing to overpay a QB because it's the going rate and that's how it works in today's NFL. It's another thing to tie yourself to a guy for another 4 to 5 years when those years run ages 32 - 36 when you didn't get the return you hoped for in his prime late 20's. This isn't to say that was Dak's fault because there were injuries and good but not great talent around him, but he was a part of it and you need to do something differently because expecting Dak to be better at the end of his next contract than he is at the end of this one would be wishful thinking. With no cap I'm good with Dak as QB. I think he is better than average for sure and would categorize him as "good". At this age I think he is somewhere around the top 10, maybe 12 at worst. But for that % of your cap you need a borderline great QB to be a better team than a team that has an average QB on a cheap rookie or vet FA deal who can fit more top players under the cap with the savings. He's got two yeas to earn it IMO. Personally I think he has a really good year this year, earns his deal and gives us hope going forward. Fingers crossed

He didn't make 50 mil. He made 19mil. I'm sure you talking bout his next deal. But it kinda falls in the same box. He can sign a deal that's 50milAAV but he will make closer to 30mil AAV. And he'll have some money owed at the end of his career like romo had.

 

[LatinMind]

Zeke was VERY little help to Dak the last 4 years. He never took over a game once the line was compromised. He rarely did anything after year 3. Zeke is overblown. Pollard opens the offense up more for Dak by far. Everyone knows that.

It's hard to be help when your OC calls running plays in bunches. 16 play drive would have 10 carries. And that's a third of your running plays on your 1 drive. That wouldnt be a problem but Moore would usually abandon the run that would start wearing the Def out. Following drives would be 3 and outs.

I see people using stats without context when talking about the amount of running plays were called. Moore just seemed to be inconvenienced to call running games. It's no coincidence the running game wasn't the same after Moore started calling the plays.

 

[fivetwos]

Wasn’t Moore here during the seasons when Dak threw fewer picks?

Yup, but the arrow was pointed in the wrong direction. Maybe it’s changed. We hope. That’s all we really have.

 

[khiladi]

Jerry bungles everything and I meant losing Callahan didn’t help things .
as far as excuses go they have been used pretty heavily here for the last 2 qbs

It’s a team game and I don’t fault either qb as being solely the blame between Garrett and KM both have had uphill battle

I don’t need another long biography from you defending your favorite player of all time but what I do say Prescott is flawed and this year should be it if the team fails but it won’t be

I quit expecting much from this team years ago. I got excited in 14,16 but after that I’ve come to grips as long as booger is in charge this what we’ll get

Guys like you have made this board miserable over the past few year hijacking’s threads making every thing about Prescott so I’ll laugh when Jerry reworks things

Unlike Dak, the excuses for Romo were valid…. the fact the Dak-bots have gone to lengths dis-crediting an OL that yielded multiple all-pros playing a minimum of 2 years together he walked into saying he doesn’t have enough time, while saying Zeke was a beast because of this OL, is comical.

It was only a matter of time, after Dak continued to fumble around with this short SB window that they’d start leveraging Romo’s “excuses” for themselves. Now their story is Dak and Romo faced the same issues with this FO.

No, they absolutely did not..

 

[stiletto]

It's hard to be help when your OC calls running plays in bunches. 16 play drive would have 10 carries. And that's a third of your running plays on your 1 drive. That wouldnt be a problem but Moore would usually abandon the run that would start wearing the Def out. Following drives would be 3 and outs.

I see people using stats without context when talking about the amount of running plays were called. Moore just seemed to be inconvenienced to call running games. It's no coincidence the running game wasn't the same after Moore started calling the plays.

He abandoned the run too quick for my tastes sometimes but it was also clean the line wasn't able to run-block the same after Frederick left.

 

[Adreme]

Are you talking elite or top 10? Im not opposed to first or 2nd round at all.

If we are talking about using 1sts on average it would take 3 to get someone as good as Dak (based on history) so basically throw away Tyler Smith, Micah, and Lamb, and you can have a cheap Dak level QB for 5 years. Of course you then use that money saved to replace those players which costs more which is why people pay the QB in the first place.

 

[morasp]

It depends on what kind of team they put together.

 

[zerofill]

Enjoy Dak's last season as sure as the sun will rise he will follow Zeke as a pre-June 1st 2024 cut.
Talent is lacking and the facade is almost over!
P.S. After 8 years of Mr.Goodwill and sauce it will be a pleasure having him not even find a starting job after the Boys release him.

Depends on how many more endorsement commercials he ends up in.
We know that is more important to Jerry.