*IF*Drew Bledsoe Goes down for season in Preseason

[dargonking999]

I disagree on the Aikman thing. Troy had a cannon and great accuracy, but 1+1 did not equal 2 on the deep ball.

Harper and Irvin had to make major adjustments, and many great catches on deep balls.

It's strange because a 20 yard out covers about 40 yards and he'd throw a rope, but when he had to put some air under it his accuracy dropped.

you go get me a QB who can throw the ball high and long with a great accuracy. The further you throw the ball the more you rely on your WR to go get the ball, thats why you need WR, to go get the ball and not wait for it to come to them.

 

[Mash]

This is just my opinion from what I gathered over what what said or what I have witnessed.

Carter will not be back as a Cowboy QB......we have been down that road before.

But the Boys did consider resigning Carter after he was cut. I think Parcells didn't trust him as a starter but I think they would of trusted him as a backup.

Pennington is a clone of what Drew Brees is.....a mid ranger QB who can play in a system well enough to win ball games but doesn't have the strong arm to stretch the field. Garcia comes to mind also as a similar Qb who excelled in the WCO in San fran but failed to duplicate that in Clev. It will be interesting to see what he does under Mooch in Detroit.

You don't need to have a gun of a arm to succeed in the NFL. If put in the right system and you have the accuracy and the ability to not make critical mistakes then you can be a very successfull QB in this league......we all know this as "Bus driver" in Parcells terms.

 

[Mash]

Aikman wasn't a very good deep ball thrower......just like he struggled to throw a wet ball. What Aikman did was throw the best out ball in the league. Teams knew is was comming and couldn't stop it because both Aikman and Irvin practised it so much they could do it with their eyes closed.

Then again Aikman had alot of talent surrounding him. We didn't really need to rely on him to win ball games. Emmitt was the horse and Irvin was the soul of our offence. Aikman was the perfectionist and practised that way. The stories of the Dallas Cowboys practices with Norv Turner and co are legendary. You could go thru a whole practise and not see one ball badly thrown or dropped. We were a well oiled machine back then.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

He's completing well over 60% of his passes, at nearly 7.5 YPA, with a 2/1 TD to INT ratio, and a career QB rating of 93.

Does he have an Elway-like gun or throw a great deep ball? No, but Montana did not have a gun and Aikman, for all his arm strength, did not throw a great deep ball either.

He's a solid WCO QB, IMO.

That's a pretty accurate assessment. He's a good example of a "system" QB. The Jet system doesn't emphasize the deep passing game which is Pennington's weakness.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Aikman wasn't a very good deep ball thrower......just like he struggled to throw a wet ball. What Aikman did was throw the best out ball in the league. Teams knew is was comming and couldn't stop it because both Aikman and Irvin practised it so much they could do it with their eyes closed.

Then again Aikman had alot of talent surrounding him. We didn't really need to rely on him to win ball games. Emmitt was the horse and Irvin was the soul of our offence. Aikman was the perfectionist and practised that way. The stories of the Dallas Cowboys practices with Norv Turner and co are legendary. You could go thru a whole practise and not see one ball badly thrown or dropped. We were a well oiled machine back then.

Aikman threw the best 15-20 yard ball in the NFL. Not only was it sharp it was incredibly accurate.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

Forget it, at that point, throw Henson out there.

 

[Hostile]

I disagree on the Aikman thing. Troy had a cannon and great accuracy, but 1+1 did not equal 2 on the deep ball.

Harper and Irvin had to make major adjustments, and many great catches on deep balls.

It's strange because a 20 yard out covers about 40 yards and he'd throw a rope, but when he had to put some air under it his accuracy dropped.

When any QB has to throw it deep their accuracy diminishes. Show me one guy who gets better playing bombs away.

Again, our offense was not a throw it deep offense. We didn't really have the QB, or the WRs, or the blocking, or the system to play that way. It was all factors not just Troy.

When he needed a deep throw the ball didn't sail a mere 40 yards. Success and ability aren't the same thing.

 

[Hostile]

This is just my opinion from what I gathered over what what said or what I have witnessed.

Carter will not be back as a Cowboy QB......we have been down that road before.

But the Boys did consider resigning Carter after he was cut. I think Parcells didn't trust him as a starter but I think they would of trusted him as a backup.

Pennington is a clone of what Drew Brees is.....a mid ranger QB who can play in a system well enough to win ball games but doesn't have the strong arm to stretch the field. Garcia comes to mind also as a similar Qb who excelled in the WCO in San fran but failed to duplicate that in Clev. It will be interesting to see what he does under Mooch in Detroit.

You don't need to have a gun of a arm to succeed in the NFL. If put in the right system and you have the accuracy and the ability to not make critical mistakes then you can be a very successfull QB in this league......we all know this as "Bus driver" in Parcells terms.

Not according to anyone with the Cowboys. The only source of that rumor was Michael Irvin. Not even Q himself maintained that happened.

I think people are still clinging to that when it has prety much been either refuted or proven incorrect by lack of corroborating action.

 

[junk]

When any QB has to throw it deep their accuracy diminishes. Show me one guy who gets better playing bombs away.

Jeff Blake. Maybe our own beloved Drew Bledsoe.

QC was a terrible QB, but the deep ball was one thing he threw OK.

 

[LeonDixson]

According to BZ they didnt have him on the the roster, and did you check and see if the team knew before game day he wasnt gonna be there. YOu cant get mad if he says he wouldnt be able to come, and if he was checking into re-hap inst that good thing?

It doesn't matter. He WAS NOT THERE and during the playoffs no less. My point is that it could hurt to have him as a backup if you can't trust him to be there during the playoffs when it counts the most. I don't see how you can argue that point. That's like saying it doesn't hurt to have a flat spare tire. It does if you need it.

 

[Hostile]

Jeff Blake. Maybe our own beloved Drew Bledsoe.

QC was a terrible QB, but the deep ball was one thing he threw OK.

For a deep ball like that Carl Pickens and Joey Galloway were more suited to it than Michael Irvin. Give Troy Aikman Carl Pickens and Jeff Blake Alvin Harper and tell me who is more ffective with the deep ball.

Just speculation I know, but OCs design stuff like that for reasons and they avoid stuff like that for reasons. I'm back to personnel again.

 

[Mash]

Not according to anyone with the Cowboys. The only source of that rumor was Michael Irvin. Not even Q himself maintained that happened.

I think people are still clinging to that when it has prety much been either refuted or proven incorrect by lack of corroborating action.

The Cowboys organization never denied it and Irvin ( I believe his sources or info) stated that it did happen. BTW why would the Cowboys or Q ever state it did happen if they were never asked the question? Just because they didn't admit to it doesn't make it wrong. At least my opinion is based off of a former player who is in the media now and still has some close ties to the organization.

And also Aikman offence was structured for the short passing game but I disagree that we did not have the personal to throw the ball deep. Our pass protection was fantastic. Defences played 8 men in the box to stop Emmitt giving you more reason to throw the deep ball and both Irvin and Harper were very good at getting deep. They didn't process blazing speed but we all know that a WR doesn't need to be a blazer to be a deep threat.

It just wasn't Aikman forte to throw the deep ball.....Norv designed the offence around his strengths. How many times did we see our WR's stop for the ball on a deep pass that Aikman threw. IMHO.....too many times....it was just something he didn't do well.....and there's nothing wrong about that because he excelled in everything else as a QB.

 

[diehard2294]

I see another 5 page thread coming here, no thanks on QC like Hos states no way you can count on him

 

[Hostile]

The Cowboys organization never denied it and Irvin ( I believe his sources or info) stated that it did happen. BTW why would the Cowboys or Q ever state it did happen if they were never asked the question? Just because they didn't admit to it doesn't make it wrong. At least my opinion is based off of a former player who is in the media now and still has some close ties to the organization.

And also Aikman offence was structured for the short passing game but I disagree that we did not have the personal to throw the ball deep. Our pass protection was fantastic. Defences played 8 men in the box to stop Emmitt giving you more reason to throw the deep ball and both Irvin and Harper were very good at getting deep. They didn't process blazing speed but we all know that a WR doesn't need to be a blazer to be a deep threat.

It just wasn't Aikman forte to throw the deep ball.....Norv designed the offence around his strengths. How many times did we see our WR's stop for the ball on a deep pass that Aikman threw. IMHO.....too many times....it was just something he didn't do well.....and there's nothing wrong about that because he excelled in everything else as a QB.

I'm sorry Mash but the organization did deny it at one point. That was why Irvin got so upset about it.

 

[Crown Royal]

There is no good reason any more for Carter to return to this organization. If something were to happen, and we needed a number 2 or 3, Vinny would be back before Carter.

 

[Avery]

QC... Dallas QB... does not compute...

Let's not party like it's 2001.

 

[Cbz40]

Hos, I'm not hoping for a return of Vinny... I wasn't hoping for the signing of Bledsoe either. Hell, I'd rather go with either Henson OR Romo at this point. Not that they would put up better numbers than Bledsoe or even Vinny but because it would put us in a better position for '06 which I think is/was potentially our year...

My feelings exactly.........If Bledsoe goes down start Henson or Romo.

 

[kartr]

Pennington's shoulder was in bad shape, they had no other QB on the roster with NFL experience, Carter was AWOL so they added a QB from the PS, for the playoffs.

This says that six months after losing your job and letting down your team, he did it again to his new team.

It's now six months later, what proof is out there that things have changed?

TB released Johnson, have a developmental QB in Simms and a journeyman in Griese, but they did not sign him either.

Tampa has bad salary cap problems, they're probably waiting until June first to release other players to make room for him. By the way, Griese has a good QB rating, but throws late game ints in close games and Gruden will get canned if he has another losing season. So, QC would be good insurance to save their season if Griese doesn't start winning games.

 

[Nors]

I'll stand by what I said, which came from Parcells. He could "no longer trust him."

He wasn't good enough to even be a 3rd option last year once he lost that trust.

Why is that not clear?

Wow - I go off to the ball fields for 2 games come back and this sucker mushroomed!

Again, Carter would be a great #3 Vet QB if we lost Bledsoe. Better option than VT.

We won 10 games with him in 2003.

 

[kartr]

I'm going to switch gears for a minute and hope this can turn into an interesting thread.

Is anyone besides me not impressed with Pennington as a QB? Sorry LTN. I thought he'd be more than he is. Just not impressed with him. I'm open to listening to it being the OCs fault, but I don't see him do anything more than lob passes to his targets. No zip, no swagger.

Glad you brought Penny up. Many Jets fans are not all that impressed with him either, because he plays poorly against elite NFL defenses and that's with a good supporting cast. They say it's his shoulder when he bombs against the Pats and Steelers, but strangely enough, his shoulder seemed fine against bad defenses like the Texans,Chargers,etc. Here's an even more interesting point. I looked at the stats on Yahoo.com under receivers. It showed that in the games that Penny played in, Moss, was ranked anywhere from 30 to 35 best in receiving yards,catches and tds. Conversely, in the 3 games that Carter started, Moss was ranked in the top 5 in all the same categories. Sporting News even commented on how the Jets offense took on a more explosive quality when Carter took over. They didn't say Carter was better than CP, they was just saying that his strong arm and mobility creates more big plays.
Even Pennington said that Carter can make throws, he, himself couldn't even dream of making. The reason that the Jets didn't score a lot points with Carter was that they are a very conservative team and wanted Carter to get a lead, and then run out the clock. They weren't trying to showcase Carter's QB skills, they just wanted him to hold down the fort until Penny got back.