*IF*Drew Bledsoe Goes down for season in Preseason

[Vertigo_17]

Nors...you and QC need to stay off the weed. Not gonna happen..ever!

 

[Tio]

Glad you brought Penny up. Many Jets fans are not all that impressed with him either, because he plays poorly against elite NFL defenses and that's with a good supporting cast. They say it's his shoulder when he bombs against the Pats and Steelers, but strangely enough, his shoulder seemed fine against bad defenses like the Texans,Chargers,etc. Here's an even more interesting point. I looked at the stats on Yahoo.com under receivers. It showed that in the games that Penny played in, Moss, was ranked anywhere from 30 to 35 best in receiving yards,catches and tds. Conversely, in the 3 games that Carter started, Moss was ranked in the top 5 in all the same categories. Sporting News even commented on how the Jets offense took on a more explosive quality when Carter took over. They didn't say Carter was better than CP, they was just saying that his strong arm and mobility creates more big plays.
Even Pennington said that Carter can make throws, he, himself couldn't even dream of making. The reason that the Jets didn't score a lot points with Carter was that they are a very conservative team and wanted Carter to get a lead, and then run out the clock. They weren't trying to showcase Carter's QB skills, they just wanted him to hold down the fort until Penny got back.

Carter isn't as intelligent, calm, or accurate as pennington, which all trump arm strength

 

[Nors]

Just a thought, but can anyone here recall when a player was in the same situation as Carter and later being reinstated to the roster?

Hollywood Henderson, Irvin, Lett

Terry Glenn was given a second chance

 

[dbair1967]

I disagree on the Aikman thing. Troy had a cannon and great accuracy, but 1+1 did not equal 2 on the deep ball.

Harper and Irvin had to make major adjustments, and many great catches on deep balls.

It's strange because a 20 yard out covers about 40 yards and he'd throw a rope, but when he had to put some air under it his accuracy dropped.

people keep harping on this but a couple of points:

1) go back and look at all the highlight film throws on deep balls to WR's

2) the deep ball is the least accurate pass attempt you can have

seems everyone finds a way to nitpick when someone is truly great, and Aikman was great

David

 

[Sarge]

I think Don Meredith has a better chance of coming back.

I think Meredith is too old.

 

[dbair1967]

Hollywood Henderson, Irvin, Lett

Terry Glenn was given a second chance

when did Terry Glenn ever get tossed for drugs?


David

 

[Nors]

Just a thought, but can anyone here recall when a player was in the same situation as Carter and later being reinstated to the roster?

Wasn't Keith Davis shot at a strip club, and cut by Parcells? Later resigned and now counted on at FS?

 

[Nors]

when did Terry Glenn ever get tossed for drugs?


David

LTN - Do you want to take this one - a long story

 

[Tio]

Wasn't Keith Davis shot at a strip club, and cut by Parcells? Later resigned and now counted on at FS?

keith wasn't depended on as our leader, and wasn't smoking marijuana (which is bad mmmmmmmmmmk?), he went to a club and was shot in a confrontation that had nothing to do with him.

 

[dbair1967]

Wasn't Keith Davis shot at a strip club, and cut by Parcells? Later resigned and now counted on at FS?

Keith Davis was an innocent bystander...shouldnt have been there but he wasnt causing trouble...was a guy battling to make a team, not a teams starting QB who damn well knew better

big difference and easy for most to see...doesnt surprise me that you dont though

David

 

[Alexander]

If he annoys you please put him on IGNORE. Click on his username and you will see an option for IGNORE list.

What good would that do?

His arch-nemesises would continue to proliferate this type of thread into something much more than it is worth.

How it got to six pages is beyond me. Meanwhile the thread author is patting himself on the back after manipulating everyone--yet again.

 

[kartr]

There is no good reason any more for Carter to return to this organization. If something were to happen, and we needed a number 2 or 3, Vinny would be back before Carter.

Parcells also said that he wasn't ruling out bringing Carter back at a later date, people seem to conviently forget that. Parcells' rep has taken some hits also, because of Belichek's success and he has said that he wants to win now. Well, he won't win with Romo or Henson this year, because they aren't ready yet, that's why Bledsoe was brought in. Carter won games with Hambrick,Galloway and nut-case Bryant as supports, with Keyshawn and Glenn and real running backs, Carter could put up pro bowl numbers;he's already passed for 3300 yards in a season against 8 of the top 10 defenses. This season could really be special. With or without Bledsoe and no Carter, we can't make the playoffs, defense or no defense, Bledsoe has averaged a winning percentage of .503. He's basically a 8-8 QB and Parcells' said he didn't want Griese, cause he's not looking for an 8-8 QB. Carter has won 60% of his last 20 starts. If you really think Henson is a better option, just look how uneven Patrick Ramsey,David Carr,Joey Harrington,Byron Leftwich,Eli Manning,Carson Palmer and other first round QB's have played early in the careers. Quincy Carter has had a better career so far than all of them.

 

[dbair1967]

What good would that do?

His arch-nemesises would continue to proliferate this type of thread into something much more than it is worth.

How it got to six pages is beyond me. Meanwhile the thread author is patting himself on the back after manipulating everyone--yet again.

couldnt agree more...there are two or three people who have no business being allowed on this forum and he's one of them, yet they dont do anything about it

like I said, eventually it might be enough for me to just leave myself...

David

 

[junk]

Parcells also said that he wasn't ruling out bringing Carter back at a later date, people seem to conviently forget that. Parcells' rep has taken some hits also, because of Belichek's success and he has said that he wants to win now. Well, he won't win with Romo or Henson this year, because they aren't ready yet, that's why Bledsoe was brought in. Carter won games with Hambrick,Galloway and nut-case Bryant as supports, with Keyshawn and Glenn and real running backs, Carter could put up pro bowl numbers;he's already passed for 3300 yards in a season against 8 of the top 10 defenses. This season could really be special. With or without Bledsoe and no Carter, we can't make the playoffs, defense or no defense, Bledsoe has averaged a winning percentage of .503. He's basically a 8-8 QB and Parcells' said he didn't want Griese, cause he's not looking for an 8-8 QB. Carter has won 60% of his last 20 starts. If you really think Henson is a better option, just look how uneven Patrick Ramsey,David Carr,Joey Harrington,Byron Leftwich,Eli Manning,Carson Palmer and other first round QB's have played early in the careers. Quincy Carter has had a better career so far than all of them.

If he is so good, why is he unsigned and generating zero interest?

 

[dbair1967]

Parcells also said that he wasn't ruling out bringing Carter back at a later date, people seem to conviently forget that. Parcells' rep has taken some hits also, because of Belichek's success and he has said that he wants to win now. Well, he won't win with Romo or Henson this year, because they aren't ready yet, that's why Bledsoe was brought in. Carter won games with Hambrick,Galloway and nut-case Bryant as supports, with Keyshawn and Glenn and real running backs, Carter could put up pro bowl numbers;he's already passed for 3300 yards in a season against 8 of the top 10 defenses. This season could really be special. With or without Bledsoe and no Carter, we can't make the playoffs, defense or no defense, Bledsoe has averaged a winning percentage of .503. He's basically a 8-8 QB and Parcells' said he didn't want Griese, cause he's not looking for an 8-8 QB. Carter has won 60% of his last 20 starts. If you really think Henson is a better option, just look how uneven Patrick Ramsey,David Carr,Joey Harrington,Byron Leftwich,Eli Manning,Carson Palmer and other first round QB's have played early in the careers. Quincy Carter has had a better career so far than all of them.

well go right on living in that fanatasy land little world of your's because Carter isnt coming back and right now isnt even being given the time of day by 31 other franchises, several of whom need backup or at least #3 guys...he's had a terrible career and ruined what little bit of chance at mediocrity he had by smoking dope...he's a L O S E R

David

 

[Nors]

What good would that do?

His arch-nemesises would continue to proliferate this type of thread into something much more than it is worth.

How it got to six pages is beyond me. Meanwhile the thread author is patting himself on the back after manipulating everyone--yet again.

Its up to 7 pages and spinning and I was offline at 2:30. Go figure

 

[Nors]

couldnt agree more...there are two or three people who have no business being allowed on this forum and he's one of them, yet they dont do anything about it

like I said, eventually it might be enough for me to just leave myself...

David

Do you like Pina Colattas?

 

[Nors]

Parcells also said that he wasn't ruling out bringing Carter back at a later date, people seem to conviently forget that. Parcells' rep has taken some hits also, because of Belichek's success and he has said that he wants to win now. Well, he won't win with Romo or Henson this year, because they aren't ready yet, that's why Bledsoe was brought in. Carter won games with Hambrick,Galloway and nut-case Bryant as supports, with Keyshawn and Glenn and real running backs, Carter could put up pro bowl numbers;he's already passed for 3300 yards in a season against 8 of the top 10 defenses. This season could really be special. With or without Bledsoe and no Carter, we can't make the playoffs, defense or no defense, Bledsoe has averaged a winning percentage of .503. He's basically a 8-8 QB and Parcells' said he didn't want Griese, cause he's not looking for an 8-8 QB. Carter has won 60% of his last 20 starts. If you really think Henson is a better option, just look how uneven Patrick Ramsey,David Carr,Joey Harrington,Byron Leftwich,Eli Manning,Carson Palmer and other first round QB's have played early in the careers. Quincy Carter has had a better career so far than all of them.

Well stated - back to my initial post. If Bledsoe goes down for season do we sign Carter as vet backup? He knows the system, not that far a reach.

 

[blindzebra]

Parcells also said that he wasn't ruling out bringing Carter back at a later date, people seem to conviently forget that. Parcells' rep has taken some hits also, because of Belichek's success and he has said that he wants to win now. Well, he won't win with Romo or Henson this year, because they aren't ready yet, that's why Bledsoe was brought in. Carter won games with Hambrick,Galloway and nut-case Bryant as supports, with Keyshawn and Glenn and real running backs, Carter could put up pro bowl numbers;he's already passed for 3300 yards in a season against 8 of the top 10 defenses. This season could really be special. With or without Bledsoe and no Carter, we can't make the playoffs, defense or no defense, Bledsoe has averaged a winning percentage of .503. He's basically a 8-8 QB and Parcells' said he didn't want Griese, cause he's not looking for an 8-8 QB. Carter has won 60% of his last 20 starts. If you really think Henson is a better option, just look how uneven Patrick Ramsey,David Carr,Joey Harrington,Byron Leftwich,Eli Manning,Carson Palmer and other first round QB's have played early in the careers. Quincy Carter has had a better career so far than all of them.

The top 10 defenses versus the pass in yards allowed in 2003 were:

Dallas, BUF, TB, BAL, IND, DEN, CLE, NO, CAR, NYJ so he DID NOT PLAY 8 OF THE TOP 10!

He also had awful games in all but one of the 5 games he played against the top 10.

He was 15-32 for 116 against BUF.

15-25 for 140 and 2 INTs against TB.

11-23 for 165 against NYJ.

27- 47 for 290 yards and 3 INTS in a loss against NO.

His one good game came the first time against CAR 29-44 for 254.

Any more BS you want to propagate?:jerk:

 

[kartr]

He's completing well over 60% of his passes, at nearly 7.5 YPA, with a 2/1 TD to INT ratio, and a career QB rating of 93.

Does he have an Elway-like gun or throw a great deep ball? No, but Montana did not have a gun and Aikman, for all his arm strength, did not throw a great deep ball either.

He's a solid WCO QB, IMO.

But not against good defenses. He just doesn't have the physical tools to challenge them