If he maintains his level of play, would you sign Claiborne to Kareem Jacksons contract

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jnday said:
So what? You don't think it is odd that the only year that he has come close to playing at a decent level, just so happens to be the year that will determine how much money he will be offered with his next contract. It is s very high possibility that once he gets paid, his level of play will return to what it has been since he was drafted. There is a reason that Dallas didn't pick up the 5th year option on Mo. It would have been too expensive for a subpar player. Mo is much like Murray. Murray sure played well and even played hurt to impress the league so that he could get paid. He signed his big contract and his play has been bad and the injuries have returned. I am willing to bet that Mo does the same thing. Do you really want to give a big contract to a player that has been a draft bust and only has played well
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Murray played at a high level 3 out of the 4 years he was here. What the hell was he supposed to do his rookie year, play through a broken leg? He had a broken hand in 2014, RBs play through that all the time.

And no I don't find it "weird", again, the guy had nearly a year off of doing nothing but studying with our DB coach. I'm sure getting a new contract is a motivator, so what?

And again, when has Mo ever been considered lazy? That was never his problem. We didn't pick up his option because he didn't play well and his injury history, obviously. As I've stated, if Claiborne continues to play at a high level, who on the FA wire are we going to replace him with if we let him walk? If he declines as the season goes on or ends with an injury, let him walk. But if we get him at a good price, I don't see how it's a smart thing and to let him walk.
 
jnday said:
He played ok, but he was not matched against Jones as much as many fans think. Mo sure didn't shut Jones down and he didn't show himself to be an elite CB at any time during the Falcons game .he is playing like an average starter in this league.
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Again, you people keep saying this; he gave up 40 yards. Look at what Patmon and Carr gave up to him. You're not going to completely shut down a receiver like Jones, anyone expecting a CB to do that is an idiot and I'm not going to mince words. Sherman couldn't even shut down Bryant and he's far better than Mo will most likely ever be.
 
mattjames2010 said:
Again, you people keep saying this; he gave up 40 yards. Look at what Patmon and Carr gave up to him. You're not going to completely shut down a receiver like Jones, anyone expecting a CB to do that is an idiot and I'm not going to mince words. Sherman couldn't even shut down Bryant and he's far better than Mo will most likely ever be.
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Patmon gave up more on one play. Granted Church was supposed to give inside help and instead just hopped in place
 
Muhast said:
Patmon gave up more on one play. Granted Church was supposed to give inside help and instead just hopped in place
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Yeah, I'm not a fan of Patmon. That looking around the field to blame someone while he was in mid-chase was embarrassing. I'm hoping Jones comes on at some point, but I don't think he's going to be ready any time soon.
 
mattjames2010 said:
Yeah, I'm not a fan of Patmon. That looking around the field to blame someone while he was in mid-chase was embarrassing. I'm hoping Jones comes on at some point, but I don't think he's going to be ready any time soon.
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Are you a fan of anyone? Your glass is always half empty.
 
mattjames2010 said:
Murray played at a high level 3 out of the 4 years he was here. What the hell was he supposed to do his rookie year, play through a broken leg? He had a broken hand in 2014, RBs play through that all the time.

And no I don't find it "weird", again, the guy had nearly a year off of doing nothing but studying with our DB coach. I'm sure getting a new contract is a motivator, so what?

And again, when has Mo ever been considered lazy? That was never his problem. We didn't pick up his option because he didn't play well and his injury history, obviously. As I've stated, if Claiborne continues to play at a high level, who on the FA wire are we going to replace him with if we let him walk? If he declines as the season goes on or ends with an injury, let him walk. But if we get him at a good price, I don't see how it's a smart thing and to let him walk.
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When a big contract and money is the only motivation a player has for finally studying film and improving his play, there is a problem there. I prefer players that puts out effort every year and their motivation is being the best player possible. Mo has no history of having these traits. Why would a team want to keep a player that only performs when their contract year rolls around.
 
RW31 said:
Say what? Did you watch the game? He was getting beat up all day underneath because of how scared he was to give up the deep ball. He was shredded in the 1st quarter to the point where Patmon even went over to him wondering what the hell he's doing out there playing the wrong coverages. He wasn't shadowing anybody either so stop with this myth that he shut anybody down, let alone Julio Jones and ODB. Those guys could smoke him any day all day if they went up against him 1 on 1.
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Lol I let everybody see what they want. Glad somebody else saw what I did. The Mo love is getting ridiculous.
 
jnday said:
When a big contract and money is the only motivation a player has for finally studying film and improving his play, there is a problem there. I prefer players that puts out effort every year and their motivation is being the best player possible. Mo has no history of having these traits. Why would a team want to keep a player that only performs when their contract year rolls around.
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Again, when have you ever read Claiborne not working hard and not studying? His biggest mishap here besides playing poorly was how he handled the situation of being demoted. That would be valid criticism, but I have never heard a thing that he doesn't work hard.

And more players are motivated by money than you think, a lot them are high profile players.
 
mattjames2010 said:
Again, you people keep saying this; he gave up 40 yards. Look at what Patmon and Carr gave up to him. You're not going to completely shut down a receiver like Jones, anyone expecting a CB to do that is an idiot and I'm not going to mince words. Sherman couldn't even shut down Bryant and he's far better than Mo will most likely ever be.
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I am not one of the "you people" that has argued stats. You brought up that Rgsn and Jones was one of three big test for Mo. It wasn't much of a test because Jones was moved around and Mo was not matched up against him very often. You have stated that Mo had better stats than the other CBs. That is not saying much considering how the defense played. It just means that he is the turd that stinks less than the others.
 
jnday said:
I am not one of the "you people" that has argued stats. You brought up that Rgsn and Jones was one of three big test for Mo. It wasn't much of a test because Jones was moved around and Mo was not matched up against him very often. You have stated that Mo had better stats than the other CBs. That is not saying much considering how the defense played. It just means that he is the turd that stinks less than the others.
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You understand Mo was lined up with other receivers as well in the game, right? Didn't give up a single yard to another WR. Every other corner did.

The Falcons noticed the mismatch that was Carr and Patmon and exploited it. They weren't getting the yards they wanted with Mo covering him.
 
Not sure if already mentioned, but no. You don't sign him no matter how well he plays, like Murray. We already have one high priced cb, we can't afford two. Not if you want a chance at keeping Kraken and beyond that the rest of the young D line
 
jnday said:
I am not one of the "you people" that has argued stats. You brought up that Rgsn and Jones was one of three big test for Mo. It wasn't much of a test because Jones was moved around and Mo was not matched up against him very often. You have stated that Mo had better stats than the other CBs. That is not saying much considering how the defense played. It just means that he is the turd that stinks less than the others.
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He didn't stink at all, he played really well. Many of y'all are letting your opinions of Claiborne cloud your evaluation of his actual play.
 
RW31 said:
Say what? Did you watch the game? He was getting beat up all day underneath because of how scared he was to give up the deep ball. He was shredded in the 1st quarter to the point where Patmon even went over to him wondering what the hell he's doing out there playing the wrong coverages. He wasn't shadowing anybody either so stop with this myth that he shut anybody down, let alone Julio Jones and ODB. Those guys could smoke him any day all day if they went up against him 1 on 1.
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Wrong my friend watch the film.
 
I understand the previous years of frustration Mo has given us over, but this year he looks close and probably better than his rookie year here.

I feel some are just hating on him due to previous years without noticing his play this year. Almost like T. Williams. Had a bad spell with fumbles his rookie year, and I feel some can never let that down.
 
RW31 said:
Say what? Did you watch the game? He was getting beat up all day underneath because of how scared he was to give up the deep ball. He was shredded in the 1st quarter to the point where Patmon even went over to him wondering what the hell he's doing out there playing the wrong coverages. He wasn't shadowing anybody either so stop with this myth that he shut anybody down, let alone Julio Jones and ODB. Those guys could smoke him any day all day if they went up against him 1 on 1.
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You might be operating at less than 100% if you believe Mo didn't play well versus ODB and Jones.
The ODB thing actually was foreseeable given that they are similar size and speed and had practiced together in college.

But his jumping in front of Julio on that slant and providing decent coverage the rest of the day was completely new ground.

Jones was moved into the slot in the second half so he avoided Mo except in zone coverage aspects.
That's what got Jones going after a terrible 1st half.
The silly stats handing him those completions were based on Mo giving up underneath stuff by design.

As we are already hearing about a new injury for Mo you may well be right about the short length of any plus play but to ignore it ever happened makes you rather goofy.

Mo is a tough call. He has elite coverage ability but he really doesn't have NFL size/strength/durability.
Can he add those things while maintaining coverage ability? That's the question the team must answer before signing him or letting him walk.
 
mattjames2010 said:
Wrong. He was not "shredded" underneath. You either didn't watch the game, you're not remembering correctly, or you're outright lying.

The first drive for Atlanta Falcons: Jones not targeted

The second drive for Atlanta Falcons: Jones targeted 5 times, 4 against Claiborne, Claiborne gave up 16 yards (One a 5 yard pass, the other 11), the other two were incomplete.

Third Drive: Targeted once, incomplete against Claiborne.

Fourth drive: Jones not targeted

Fifth drive: Jones not targeted

Sixth Drive: Jones not targeted

End of the first half


http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2015092700/2015/REG3/falcons@cowboys#menu=gameinfo|contentId:0ap3000000540387&tab=analyze&analyze=playbyplay

So, Claiborne was "shredded" by giving up 16 yards in the first quarter? You're straight up giving out misinformation. Stop.
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You should know better than bring facts to a good rant lol
 
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