If he maintains his level of play, would you sign Claiborne to Kareem Jacksons contract

[RW31]

Jones had 16 yards receiving in the first quarter against Claiborne. That's a fact.

Again, pick up the dictionary since you don't know the meaning of the word fact. Secondly, if you want to claim something that's up to you, it doesn't become a fact just because you want it to. Do you have the coaches film? Because I do. I would like to go over each play with you later today, screenshot for screenshot. You post some, I'll post some. We'll see about your BS claim then.

And for the record I didn't say Claiborne is garbage. But for somebody to say he shut down Julio and ODB you really have to wonder if that person is visiting from Mars or something.

 

[chris1995]

4 years 34 million 20 million guaranteed

Like Claiborne, Jackson had his struggles before turning it around and his early struggles ultimately drove his value down

No -just let him go !!!

 

[StarBoyz83]

8 mil a year is pretty high. Thats too much

 

[RW31]

You might be operating at less than 100% if you believe Mo didn't play well versus ODB and Jones.

How about you read what I said instead of making **** up.

 

[erod]

It won't take that much.

The guy doesn't have a healthy track record. He's playing through knee soreness already.

 

[RW31]

8 mil a year is pretty high. Thats too much

But he shut down the two best receivers in the game, he must be worth at least 20 mil. per year I don't understand what's going on here? Re-sign this beast!

 

[xwalker]

4 years 34 million 20 million guaranteed

Like Claiborne, Jackson had his struggles before turning it around and his early struggles ultimately drove his value down

He is a high risk for injury. He said in training camp that he had problems in past season because of knee soreness but he was doing better now because that is gone. Then last week it was reported that he has knee soreness (again).

He also has been known to have problems with his mental makeup. Players like that sometimes don't do well with a big contract.

 

[jterrell]

But he shut down the two best receivers in the game, he must be worth at least 20 mil. per year I don't understand what's going on here? Re-sign this beast!

posting imbecilic stuff does zero to further your argument and simply makes it clear you are beyond actually thinking.

 

[jterrell]

He is a high risk for injury. He said in training camp that he had problems in past season because of knee soreness but he was doing better now because that is gone. Then last week it was reported that he has knee soreness (again).

He also has been known to have problems with his mental makeup. Players like that sometimes don't do well with a big contract.

8m per would be in the ~15th in CB salary per year range so a mid-range starting CB1.
Considering it would be a new deal on a higher cap that would be actually a very realistic goal for Mo and Dallas.
If he plays all season the way he did versus ODB he will get much higher offers.
As Murray proved you only need one great season to jump to the front of the line.

Dallas is paying Carr 13m this year to be almost as good as Mo thus far....

I'd gladly sign Mo to 8m per today provided he didn't want much of it guaranteed and I had injury protections.

 

[jterrell]

Again, pick up the dictionary since you don't know the meaning of the word fact. Secondly, if you want to claim something that's up to you, it doesn't become a fact just because you want it to. Do you have the coaches film? Because I do. I would like to go over each play with you later today, screenshot for screenshot. You post some, I'll post some. We'll see about your BS claim then.

And for the record I didn't say Claiborne is garbage. But for somebody to say he shut down Julio and ODB you really have to wonder if that person is visiting from Mars or something.

or you could save yourself a lot of time and foolishness by simply looking here:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/16733/odell-beckham-jr

ODB was targeted 8 times versus DAL with a total of 44 yards and 5 catches. He had a long of 16 yards and zero TDs. It is BY FAR his worst production of the season and his only game without receiving TD. At the end of the game with a must deliver play NYG moved ODB over in front of Carr to get him a crucial 3rd down catch. That tells you more than any of the stats.

Julio had a very bad first half versus DAL by his own standards even drawing criticism form Troy for not doing more to get in front of Mo on the slant that was almost picked. SO they adjusted moving him into the slot where he ate up this team. Largely on plays in front of Carr/Patmon but almost all on crossing routes and slants inside where our LBs were focused on the run and our safeties were banged up and playing on their heels.
But please do feel free to screenshot away til your heart's content.

No one with coaches film access should be this clueless. But that's what happens when you let anyone gain access for 25 bucks....

Mo has his issues but anyone arguing his performance thus far hasn't been impressive is too dumb to argue with.

 

[neosapien23]

I would offer him scandricks contract. 5 years 19 mil. I dont think you can pay cbs top money anymore. I would rather try to resign hardy as dline is a much better investment.

 

[xwalker]

Again, pick up the dictionary since you don't know the meaning of the word fact. Secondly, if you want to claim something that's up to you, it doesn't become a fact just because you want it to. Do you have the coaches film? Because I do. I would like to go over each play with you later today, screenshot for screenshot. You post some, I'll post some. We'll see about your BS claim then.

And for the record I didn't say Claiborne is garbage. But for somebody to say he shut down Julio and ODB you really have to wonder if that person is visiting from Mars or something.

I just reviewed all of Claiborne's snaps on the All-22. He was very solid. When he is in man against Julio Jones with little or no help deep, he's going to give him some cushion. That's always going to be the case in this scheme.

There was 1 play where I thought his technique might have been wrong but I don't know that for certain.

If you noticed, they moved Jones away from Claiborne after awhile.

 

[cowboy_ron]

I wouldn't sign a player at all that waits until his contract year to start playing like he was supposed to all along.......AND I find it amusing that the ones that have "injury issues" all throughout their contract are suddenly have also been fixed during that same "contract year".

 

[jterrell]

I wouldn't sign a player at all that waits until his contract year to start playing like he was supposed to all along.......AND I find it amusing that the ones that have "injury issues" all throughout their contract are suddenly have also been fixed during that same "contract year".

agreed to an extent.
you definitely want to avoid the contract year stud as a free agent buyer.
BUT mo has played hurt here plenty. and his being banged up is not likely to stop.
there's been zero shortage of mo playing hurt here; more a shortage of him playing healthy and well.
again the team has to evaluate him in these areas.
players do naturally get bigger and stronger in the NFL over time.
there are plenty of guys whose bodies needed specific training regimens and they gain those over years of experience.

but you are betting on one year (and his initial scouting reports) at the end of the day.

he is not unlike Murray who had almost 0% chance to duplicate last season.

 

[jterrell]

I just reviewed all of Claiborne's snaps on the All-22. He was very solid. When he is in man against Julio Jones with little or no help deep, he's going to give him some cushion. That's always going to be the case in this scheme.

There was 1 play where I thought his technique might have been wrong but I don't know that for certain.

If you noticed, they moved Jones away from Claiborne after awhile.

Again, no offense meant to anyone, but those things should have been evident with even a casual viewing.
Opposing teams are treating Mo like our CB1 right now in games.
Jerry Jones even came out talking about what they did with Julio after halftime.

Getting a better pass rush in short order with Hardy/Mincey/Gregory all due back soon and keeping Mo relatively healthy are absolutely huge for this season.

 

[gimmesix]

4 years 34 million 20 million guaranteed

Like Claiborne, Jackson had his struggles before turning it around and his early struggles ultimately drove his value down

I'd have the same issue that I did with signing Murray to big money: injury history. Claiborne might go on to have a nice NFL career, but I don't think the Cowboys can gamble on him staying healthy.

At this point, he is playing better than Carr, but it would be better for Dallas to stick with Carr because of the risk involved with re-signing Claiborne. The only way Dallas could afford to take that risk is with a very team-friendly deal, which I don't think Claiborne would accept.

 

[Bullflop]

It won't take that much.

The guy doesn't have a healthy track record. He's playing through knee soreness already.

Good call. I get the feeling that the FO is likely to agree with you on that. Assuming Mo sustains what he's doing this year, I think something on the order of six mil per year might be more in line with what he's due to command. This is assuming he sustains what he's doing and his knee holds up throughout the season.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I wouldn't sign a player at all that waits until his contract year to start playing like he was supposed to all along.......AND I find it amusing that the ones that have "injury issues" all throughout their contract are suddenly have also been fixed during that same "contract year".

Well, his injuries and surgeries are well documented. It's not like he was faking it or anything. His career began OK until he started to get hurt. I'm willing to bet he didn't plan on being hurt at all.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I want him cheap. Like 3 mill a year cheap.

that's not at all realistic. I'd even lean towards letting him walk because I think this very much will be his best season going forward, but even if he has a so-so year CBs who aren't on a rookie deal make more.

 

[RW31]

I just reviewed all of Claiborne's snaps on the All-22. He was very solid. When he is in man against Julio Jones with little or no help deep, he's going to give him some cushion. That's always going to be the case in this scheme.

There was 1 play where I thought his technique might have been wrong but I don't know that for certain.

If you noticed, they moved Jones away from Claiborne after awhile.

Well said, I can see you watched the tape and I actually agree with you. Mo was solid, I even said that in my first post. But when I heard somebody talk about Mo shutting down the two best receivers in the game like he locked them down with perfect man coverage a la Revis, shadowing them and not allowing any catches and stuff like that, that was just ridiculous.