If only the Joneses waited

[NotForLong]

No, I'm not kidding. What do you think the salary demands of a QB that is the NFL MVP runner up would be?

He is not in the running for MVP.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

He is not in the running for MVP.

I'm not sure what is happening right now. Dak was the NFL runner up MVP this past offseason at the most critical position in the sport. All I simply asked was "what do you think his agent was going to ask for"?

 

[NotForLong]

You all have been watching the Cowboys long enough. If Jerry had waited, Dak would have about 24 TDs and 1 int making him worth $75 million.

Which is another reason they should have waited. It would have motivated Dak

 

[stinkface]

Which is another reason they should have waited. It would have motivated Dak

Dak was headed for a suck year whether he was paid or not. Our O line was going to be a work in progress and we had no good running back to take the pressure off. Hindsight being 2o 20 we should have not paid him because he was gonna have a bad year and his value would have been less. Also if you had not paid him you could have had money for better O line help, a good free agent running back and another DT.

 

[NotForLong]

I'm not sure what is happening right now. Dak was the NFL runner up MVP this past offseason at the most critical position in the sport. All I simply asked was "what do you think his agent was going to ask for"?

Not as much as He did this offseason

 

[CowboyoWales]

Dak was headed for a suck year whether he was paid or not. Our O line was going to be a work in progress and we had no good running back to take the pressure off. Hindsight being 2o 20 we should have not paid him because he was gonna have a bad year and his value would have been less. Also if you had not paid him you could have had money for better O line help, a good free agent running back and another DT.

That's a fair summation, however, it doesnt take away that it would only take the Raiders to actively court Dak in 2025 to propel his contract......that's what spooked Jerry and Jerry wanted Dak (regardless) QED we assume the position and give's Dak what he wants.

 

[CowboyoWales]

and we have 23M on the cap this year, so what's jerry's excuse for not signing Henry (didn't he get lucky!?), as he stephen said, we couldn't afford him...how? we are 16th in cash spent, up from 30th, mainly due to Dak and CD contract, but 16th nevertheless..... that's middle of the pack. we are 29th in dead cap money, why? because we hold on to players until their contracts run out despite their performance...why?

How many Dead Cat's are you throwing?

Henry's got a batter gig in Baltimore. We arent a RB away from being a Championship team (that goes for last year as much as this).

Highlighting Cap on an annual basis is the preserve of the fan, you need to factor in the next 3 years to see the actual picture. If you want to question Dead Money.....well that's CAP that we 'spent' that helped get us to three years of 12-5, it's just paying off the credit card.

Now the real problem for the forthcoming 4 years is that there probably isnt going to be another Dak extension, which means any Restructured money is going to be accounted for in 2028. This creates a perfect storm: A QB that's paid elite money, taking a disproportionate CAP% away from the MANY needs, who's talents are diminishing, who needs weapons/protection/Defense (that we cant afford).

The only real silver lining is that this is the straw that broke Jerry's back.

 

[Quickdraw]

And to think Jerry wouldn't pay Emmitt $15 million after just winning the Superbowl, yet he throws money at Prescott, who has won 1 playoff game in 8 years. That's how far-gone Jerry has become.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

Not as much as He did this offseason

Here's my take
The Cowboys would be 3-5 if Dak was not extended
The Cowboys would be 3-5 if Dak had asked for 55 as opposed to 60m
The Cowboys would be 3-5 even with Patrick Mahomes at QB

Dak has not played well. NOBODY except the kicker and Tyler Smith have played well.

The Cowboys have not coached well. The Cowboys have not been managed well from a front office perspective.

The Jones boys can offer up Daks contract as a "whipping boy" to distract the fans. But there is a faction (seems to be shrinking) of this fanbase that want to have REAL football conversations, so I will continue to be active in this forum. I am not a Dak lover or hater...but I have been a fan for over 40 years and let me tell you something.....the problems in Dallas are WAY bigger than Dak.

There are so many examples of what the real problem is (and it's not a secret or a mystery). But I will mention just 1. The fact this front office is telling this fanbase that they are saving cap space to sign guys who have not been able help us avoid this 3-5 pile of trash is a primary example of what is wrong with this front office. I am not saying Micah, Tyler Smith and Daron Bland are not great players or not deserving of their market value. But you should already be deciding which of those 2 you are going to keep and not re-sign all 3. Having 3 All Pro players is a GOOD problem to have IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING!!! If the cap prohibits you from signing all 3...then leverage their value to help the team where we are deficient....the TRENCHES!!!!!! Not cry and moan about needing to save money to afford them!!!!!!! Do you need 2 ALL Pro CBs if teams don't have to throw to beat you? Tyler Smith looks like he can be the next Zach Martin, but where did having the most expensive Guard in the NFL get you? Would you be better off moving Smith to LT and finding a Guard who is top 10ish and having Smith be a LT who is top 5ish? A top 10ish Guard is much easier to find than a top 5ish LT

These are the types of conversations I am hoping the front office is having...instead of just throwing things all around the office (like most fans in here) over Dak's contract. Dak was NEVER Mahomes. And paying him more than Mahomes was not going trigger an elevation in his play to Mahomes level. Guess what? No other QB in the NFL is Mahomes! So does that mean the rest of the QBs in the NFL should not receive market value? The QB market value is not some new phenomenon that the NFL sprung on the Cowboys and their fanbase this past offseason. It's been in existence, and we knew what it was. So either we were going to play ball or punt.

The way this was handled this offseason was so disgusting it made no sense to play ball in the end. But this points back to the REAL problem in Dallas!!!!!! And for those who have been fans long enough to remember....this front office did not want to pay Emmit back in 1992. We had to start 0-2 and have Charles Haley scare Jerry Jones ****less for Jerry to do what was OBVIOUS to everyone except him and his son. Emmit shows up and we go on to win the Super Bowl. So my point is, the problem in Dallas has been the problem in Dallas for a long time.

 

[cowboyed]

Jerry cannot help himself ....... he always makes the wrong Football decision.

Why we are going on 30 years of failures.

To be fair Jerry hasn't always made the wrong decisions. Also the 90's generally were quite successful with us winning 3 Super Bowls. Jerry actually has made some great decisions, but those certainly were overshadowed by more horrendous decisions with assistance from his culpable executive management staff and chosen head coaches & coordinators over several decades.

 

[Kingofholland]

Imagine if Dallas let Dak play out this season before discussing his contract....

We're 3-5, looking really hard at a 5-6 win season at most. Dak is hurt for several weeks and is playing like junk.

What would his market be in 3 months?

Instead, he has a $240 million deal at $60 per year that doesn't begin until the 2025 season.

With this level of negotiation skills, how did Jerry ever get wealthy? I know, I know, one day he was out shooting food, and up from the ground came a bubblin' crude.

We don't know exactly what was said behind closed doors. Dak did allude to playing for other teams and stated how It tells a lot if a contract doesn't get done before the season. Maybe there was some internal pressure or an ultimatum "if" it didn't get done?

I too thought the best option was to wait and see how the season played out before committing to anything further. There really was not another big QB name to significantly drive up the price and not a lot of downside to waiting sans a big year from Dak that drives up the cost 3-5 million more per year. However, that's probably a good thing because it would mean he and the Cowboys performed well.

Hopefully he can rebound next year otherwise this will go down as one of the worst contracts we've handed out.

 

[zrinkill]

To be fair Jerry hasn't always made the wrong decisions. Also the 90's generally were quite successful with us winning 3 Super Bowls. Jerry actually has made some great decisions, but those certainly were overshadowed by more horrendous decisions with assistance from his culpable executive management staff and chosen head coaches & coordinators over several decades.

You are correct ....... he hired Jimmy Johnson and let him run the team for 4 years while he fixed the business part.

Then he thought he could run a football team and got jealous of Jimmy Johnson.

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

Yeah but if we hadn't resigned Dak for 30 years and 800 Trillion dollars, we might be 2-6 right now instead of 3-5. How horrible would that be.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

How many Dead Cat's are you throwing?

Henry's got a batter gig in Baltimore. We arent a RB away from being a Championship team (that goes for last year as much as this).

Highlighting Cap on an annual basis is the preserve of the fan, you need to factor in the next 3 years to see the actual picture. If you want to question Dead Money.....well that's CAP that we 'spent' that helped get us to three years of 12-5, it's just paying off the credit card.

Now the real problem for the forthcoming 4 years is that there probably isnt going to be another Dak extension, which means any Restructured money is going to be accounted for in 2028. This creates a perfect storm: A QB that's paid elite money, taking a disproportionate CAP% away from the MANY needs, who's talents are diminishing, who needs weapons/protection/Defense (that we cant afford).

The only real silver lining is that this is the straw that broke Jerry's back.

I don't disagree with you that Baltimore is a better team. we absolutely know that now and we all felt we lost talent this off season.
My point was in regards to Joneses complaint of not having money for Henry, when there is 23M in cap. when we are middle of the pack in spending. when we are 26th in dead money. so there was money. there was money to sign impact DTs and we chose not to, rolling dice with Mazi and whomever.

and the next three years don't look bad for cowboys as we are 10th in cap space in 25 and 123M in cap space in 26. yeah yeah yeah we don't know how many under contract and so on, but that's every team. and contracts get restructured and structured properly, not like going to the last hour literally before the first game of the season to sign a contract.

and every team operates this way....they sign FAs, their own or available, they make good drafts and they compete. and at some point, the team gets old, you have to rebuild and you cut the players and have a huge couple of years of dead money and go through it again. the fact that we are 26th and only have 22M in dead cap tells me they don't like to cut players, they keep them until end of their contract to minimize double paying.

and there are now 9 QBs that make 50M or more. 16 that make 40M or more. its the NFL Market, in the top 10 of QB salaries they all are making disproportionate percentage of the cap money. its not unique to the cowboys.

and Jerry is absolutely ecstatic right now. we are all over the news. we are talk of NFL. we are front page....he once said, as long as the cowboys are on the news he is happy, doesn't matter if its good or bad.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Hahaha, I gave you a like just for the Beverly Hillbilly's reference.

The Clampetts were entirely decent, innocent, likable country folk. Nothing like the scumbag Joneses.

 

[LOBO7]

Imagine if Dallas let Dak play out this season before discussing his contract....

We're 3-5, looking really hard at a 5-6 win season at most. Dak is hurt for several weeks and is playing like junk.

What would his market be in 3 months?

Instead, he has a $240 million deal at $60 per year that doesn't begin until the 2025 season.

With this level of negotiation skills, how did Jerry ever get wealthy? I know, I know, one day he was out shooting food, and up from the ground came a bubblin' crude.

I would like this 100 times if I could. Biggest mistake of his as GM.

 

[shabazz]

He would have still got paid. I mean Cousins blew his foot out and still got paid. It’s the NFL

True.....but at least some other teams would have overpaid for Mr. 2-5 Playoffs

 

[Steve007]

No, I'm not kidding. What do you think the salary demands of a QB that is the NFL MVP runner up would be?

LOL!!! I didn't know you had to pay the MVP runner up (1 vote ) The highest contract in NFL history! Just because he demanded that contract doesn't mean Jerry had to pay it.
The Cowboys would have been better off to let him walk after this season. The Cowboys are screwed!

 

[Proof]

The irony is certainly thick.

We waited too long to sign him a more reasonable rate had we extended him sooner. And yet we didn’t wait long enough to see how he’d actually follow up his performance last year.

A dollar short, a day late. Typical for the Cowboys’ football side of the operation.

worst of both worlds.

 

[hopemsu]

i just cant believe Dak isn't doing well given:

We are next to last in rushing defense, next to last in scoring defense, dead last in red zone defense, and dead last in rushing yards a game. There are soooo many qbs that could step into these circumstances and thrive. just don't understand at all why dak is struggling compared to last year.