If Schottenheimer Is The Choice Would It Change Your Fandom?

[Rayman70]

No. But my expectations would be non-existent.

 

[Redsfan_83]

early tank for Arch maybe

 

[Shannon1]

Yes

 

[IceStar-D7]

Only thing that would change my fandom is Jerry Jones. I'm about at a 9 now......Just been with this team for so long it's hard. I curse the day Jerry Jones ever bought the Dallas Cowboys.

 

[atlantacowboy]

He might look at Schottenheimer as the next Sean Payton who we let get away. Then again, Jerry is usually wrong.

 

[YerocDeam]

Shottenheimer may be on the short list of interviewees that are actually willing to agree to Jerry’s terms. It’s hard for me to believe that guys like Salah and Glenn would have any interest in joining a dysfunctional organization like this. Heck, you could argue that if Moore builds his resume with the Eagles for another year, he has a good shot a getting a HC gig somewhere away from our dumpster fire.

 

[DB_Cooper]

I don’t want Schottenheimer to be our coach but Arians was kind of viewed the same over time and then got a chance and had a ton of success. Perhaps the same could happen for Schottenheimer.

 

[coult44]

If Shotty or a Moore get hired, I’m selling all my tickets to opposing fans. I will also keep from going to a couple road trips this year. EFFFF Jerry Jones!

 

[Beast_from_East]

If Jerry Jones being the clearly failed GM of this team can't run me off, no head coach choice is going to at this point. This is my team. Jerry just happens to be the owner of it right now. I can't imagine abandoning the team I started following way before he became owner just because of him or whoever he hires.

But as far as fandom goes, that's already changed some. There are games I have not watched the last couple of years, while I had never done that before. I had been recording games and watching them after finding out the score to preserve my health, but I always watched the games later to dissect what happened, see where the loses went wrong. I haven't been able to bring myself to do that since the Green Bay playoff loss.

Yeah, I think this is a more accurate description of "changing your fandom".

It is not about people not being a fan anymore and going and follow another team, its the level of engagement that you have with the team. Do you still watch any of the Cowboy's media in-house podcasts anymore, do you check this site ten times a day for any updates, do you get up early and fix a game day meal, do you plan your entire weekend schedule around game day for the Cowboys, do you watch and sit on the edge of your seat every single game, do you wear your Cowboys gear or go and buy new gear, stuff like that.

So, the real question becomes, "is any of this type of stuff changing as a result of the actions of Jerry and this organization"?...................For Beast, the answer already is yes, and I honestly hate that.

 

[Saltycowboy]

Would be no surprise at all and would mean Jerry wants to be the background coach and call the shots. The truth is that JJ has tried for all these years to get the credit he thought was unfairly bestowed onto Jimmy and in the end will probably meet his maker before succeeding.

 

[diamonddelts]

No. Most Dallas fans have known for decades that the team was owned and managed by a disfunctional family which prioritises their own control over winning. This is just more of the same. But I would be disappointed.

Post of the day

 

[DallasEast]

Garrett was the early 2000s Ben Johnson. The young OC that was destined to be a head coach. It didn't work out, but at least it made sense.

Horse hockey. This is purely classic Jerry Jones' type rhetoric. Only he wanted that wish to come true because it made perfect sense to him.

Jason Garrett had two years of coaching experience under his belt before becoming an offensive coordinator, as a quarterback coach, and coached six years before becoming a head coach. In contrast, Ben Johnson gained 13 years of experience as a tight end, wide receiver and quality coach, plus as multi-positional assistant stints.

Johnson's offensive coordinator opportunity happened after building a respectable resume. His elevation to head coach happened after he added excellent coordinator results at the top of his resume.

Johnson started his slow track of destiny as a graduate assistant. Garrett was fast tracked as the next Tom Landry, a destiny doomed to fail the instant the idea initially popped inside Jones' head.

Garrett and Johnson are not comparable in any way other than the title of coach. Johnson created his destiny. Garrett was handed a false dream.

 

[charron]

There is very little hope the boys will win 8 games in any of the next 3 years regardless of head coach.

 

[atlantacowboy]

If Schottenheimer was going to be the choice, what's the delay?

 

[gimmesix]

Yeah, I think this is a more accurate description of "changing your fandom".

It is not about people not being a fan anymore and going and follow another team, its the level of engagement that you have with the team. Do you still watch any of the Cowboy's media in-house podcasts anymore, do you check this site ten times a day for any updates, do you get up early and fix a game day meal, do you plan your entire weekend schedule around game day for the Cowboys, do you watch and sit on the edge of your seat every single game, do you wear your Cowboys gear or go and buy new gear, stuff like that.

So, the real question becomes, "is any of this type of stuff changing as a result of the actions of Jerry and this organization"?...................For Beast, the answer already is yes, and I honestly hate that.

Yeah, probably even five years ago, I couldn't have imagined myself being where I am today as a fan. My day used to be built around the Cowboys games. I anticipated it and nothing was going to deter me from watching it, other than going to church services. I would get in my recliner, get excited when we scored, fuss at the refs and be up or down practically all week based on the results. I wore my Cowboys clothes out in public to show yeah, I'm a fan of America's Team.

Now, I don't want a game to drag me down anymore, and I know that it will because of all of the ultimate letdowns in the playoffs we've experienced over the years. I know that this team will not be good enough because it hasn't been good enough for almost 30 years. I still hope, but don't want my day ruined when those hopes are dashed. So even when I'm home, I don't watch the games live. I record them, check the score and then decide if it's worth watching. (I did watch the last few games this season live because I knew that it really didn't matter if we won or lost and losing would actually improve our draft position. It actually was even fun because I just didn't care if we won, and I wish I could be like that all the time.)

I wear my Cowboys coat some, because it is one of my winter coats, but rarely do I wear any of the shirts and I often choose a different coat to wear because I'm ashamed of my team. I don't want to be, but I am. So no, the choice of coach isn't going to change my fandom ... because it has already changed thanks to the mismanagement that has worn me down.

 

[maryquality]

Horse hockey. This is purely classic Jerry Jones' type rhetoric. Only he wanted that wish to come true because it made perfect sense to him.

Jason Garrett had two years of coaching experience under his belt before becoming an offensive coordinator, as a quarterback coach, and coached six years before becoming a head coach. In contrast, Ben Johnson gained 13 years of experience as a tight end, wide receiver and quality coach, plus as multi-positional assistant stints.

Johnson's offensive coordinator opportunity happened after building a respectable resume. His elevation to head coach happened after he added excellent coordinator results at the top of his resume.

Johnson started his slow track of destiny as a graduate assistant. Garrett was fast tracked as the next Tom Landry, a destiny doomed to fail the instant the idea initially popped inside Jones' head.

Garrett and Johnson are not comparable in any way other than the title of coach. Johnson created his destiny. Garrett was handed a false dream.

Well said!!

 

[Steve007]

Just more of the same while bidding my time waiting for Jerry to leave.

You are going to be disappointed, not much will change with Stephen.

 

[TwentyOne]

Garrett was the early 2000s Ben Johnson. The young OC that was destined to be a head coach. It didn't work out, but at least it made sense.

McCarthy was a Super Bowl champion that, at the time he was hired, was only behind Belichick in playoff wins for an active coach.

Schottenheimer is literally a position coach, at best, if he hit the open market right now.

Garrett was a bad OC before he was named HC. I think he was the better HC. What means a lot.

McCarthy was and is an way over the hill HC who came out of retirement because there was an owner who was willing to pay him money. I am still not sure McCarthy was carried by A-Rod to his accolades.

I dont want to post my opinion about Schottenheimer. But when you look at other possible candidate names floating around these days the sedimente of coaches is the best this once proud franchise will be able to lure to Dallas.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Schottenherimer seems to somehow not only be in the mix, but the betting favorite to be the next head coach.

The guy they didn't have enough faith in to be anything more than an assistant OC to McCarthy.

The guy that if he left Dallas right now would not get any attention at all for an OC job and would probably get demoted to a position coach somewhere IF somebody wanted him.

I can't think of a more "we don't care at all" hire than Schottenheimer. This is basically just a tiny step above Jerry naming Stephen the HC.

Two things can be true at once:

1) I still wouldn’t want to root for any other team.

2) As I’ve said in the past, as asymmetrical as the fan/ownership relationship is in favor of the latter, ownership still has one commandment it must follow: Above all the else, the goal must be winning a championship. This is a measure of intent more than outcome. Is their heart in the right place?

In the case of Jerry, the answer is no. As such, fans need to start acting more like consumers: Is this product worth my time and money? The answer is no.

 

[infamousstyles]

Just do what I do. Stop admitting you are in public.

It's getting to that point with me. Sad times.