If the deflategate concludes without the Patriots returning the trophy

[nathanlt]

Either that, or it reveals the laws of physics.

All the rest of your post is just more "GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT AND EVEN THEN THEY'RE STILL GUILTY" nonsense.

(see? I can type in ALL CAPS too..!!)

The colts footballs provide the baseline. No physics experiment is needed. It's nice how you avoided the INTENT that was revealed. Also, the measure of how much psi is some what of a distraction, because 10 psi low would be un throwable. Maybe Brady's preference is 1 psi or 1/2 psi low, and the equipment manager delivered on most, except for the 2 psi ball.

Again, INTENT was enough. A harsh punishment is in order.

 

[Rogah]

The colts footballs provide the baseline.

There is a legal range when the referees measure the balls before the game. It is perfectly reasonable that the Patriots were on the low end of the legal range, and the Colts were elsewhere on the legal range. They most certainly do not provide a baseline - especially since the original measurements were not recorded.

No physics experiment is needed.

I agree 100%. The laws of physics dictate that a ball will lose air pressure in colder weather. I didn't need an experiment to confirm that.

The Patriots are guilty until proven innocent and even then they are still guilty.

Fixed it for you.

 

[nathanlt]

There is a legal range when the referees measure the balls before the game. It is perfectly reasonable that the Patriots were on the low end of the legal range, and the Colts were elsewhere on the legal range.

It is not reasonable whatsoever. There is a 1 in 8,388,608 chance that 11 footballs randomly split for the Patriots under inflated, and all the legal footballs went to the Colts.

 

[Rogah]

It is not reasonable whatsoever. There is a 1 in 8,388,608 chance that 11 footballs randomly split for the Patriots under inflated, and all the legal footballs went to the Colts.

It's not an entirely random process and the fact that you think it is shows how little you understand the situation.

It is entirely reasonable to suggest the Patriots submitted their footballs at a lower PSI than Indianapolis, but still within regulation. So say the Patriots submitted 12 balls at 12.5 and the Colts submitted 12 balls at 13.0. Therefore, there is no random process in play if the laws of physics deflate all the balls by just a tick, say 0.5 PSI. The Patriots are a tick under but the Colts are still in range. Your 1-in-8-million stat is beyond worthless.

People will be rightfully upset if the 70 year old "ballboy" took a needle and let out some air, but no one is going to give 2 turds about this whole nontroversy if all that happened was the laws of physics and natural forces at play.

 

[nathanlt]

It's not an entirely random process and the fact that you think it is shows how little you understand the situation.

It is entirely reasonable to suggest the Patriots submitted their footballs at a lower PSI than Indianapolis, but still within regulation. So say the Patriots submitted 12 balls at 12.5 and the Colts submitted 12 balls at 13.0. Therefore, there is no random process in play if the laws of physics deflate all the balls by just a tick, say 0.5 PSI. The Patriots are a tick under but the Colts are still in range. Your 1-in-8-million stat is beyond worthless.

People will be rightfully upset if the 70 year old "ballboy" took a needle and let out some air, but no one is going to give 2 turds about this whole nontroversy if all that happened was the laws of physics and natural forces at play.

Your scenario was not mentioned by Bill Belicheck or Tom Brady in their press conferences, as both are the most two ignorant men when it comes to football inflation.

Allegedly. IF they (ANYONE IN THE ORGANIZATION) had submitted footballs intentionally at the low end of regulation, ahem, the LOW LIMIT, they would have been quick to claim so at the outset, to avoid the controversy. Instead, they all scrambled, and publicly claimed ignorance, and without specific knowledge, by default, randomness was their only defense.

Since Belicheck and Brady's press conference concluded with both claiming initial ignorance, randomness is what they expected us to believe. They must not have known how impossible that was.

TOO LATE.

 

[Rogah]

Your scenario was not mentioned by Bill Belicheck or Tom Brady in their press conferences, as both are the most two ignorant men when it comes to football inflation.

Allegedly. IF they (ANYONE IN THE ORGANIZATION) had submitted footballs intentionally at the low end of regulation, ahem, the LOW LIMIT, they would have been quick to claim so at the outset, to avoid the controversy. Instead, they all scrambled, and publicly claimed ignorance, and without specific knowledge, by default, randomness was their only defense.

Since Belicheck and Brady's press conference concluded with both claiming initial ignorance, randomness is what they expected us to believe. They must not have known how impossible that was.

TOO LATE.

Could someone please translate the above into English?

 

[nathanlt]

Could someone please translate the above into English?

Yes!

Your defense of the Patriots ignores facts, their intent to cheat, and basic human nature. Your defense of their innocence is WEAK, and no one believes you.

 

[Rogah]

Yes!

Your defense of the Patriots ignores facts, their intent to cheat, and basic human nature. Your defense of their innocence is WEAK, and no one believes you.

Your jealousy is quite unbecoming a Cowboys fan.

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

Rogah, they have rabies

 

[DallasCowboys2080]

 

[nathanlt]

Your jealousy is quite unbecoming a Cowboys fan.

The fact that you are trying to change the focus from cheating to jealousy, says it all. You never addressed the Patriots intent, and how they claimed ignorance because that is human nature when caught cheating. You claim that you don't understand how I laid it out, when in fact, you understand full well all that I said.

As I said before, I was beginning to genuinely like the Patriots until their cheating ways came to light. Jealousy has nothing to do with it. Honestly, the Patriots have nothing to do with it. Cheating is repulsive.

 

[CyberB0b]

The fact that you are trying to change the focus from cheating to jealousy, says it all. You never addressed the Patriots intent, and how they claimed ignorance because that is human nature when caught cheating. You claim that you don't understand how I laid it out, when in fact, you understand full well all that I said.

You don't know who knew what, or what the circumstances are. In fact, neither does the league. They share a large percentage of the blame here, because their system failed. They can't really do anything, because there aren't enough facts.

 

[Rogah]

The fact that you are trying to change the focus from cheating to jealousy, says it all. You never addressed the Patriots intent, and how they claimed ignorance because that is human nature when caught cheating. You claim that you don't understand how I laid it out, when in fact, you understand full well all that I said.

As I said before, I was beginning to genuinely like the Patriots until their cheating ways came to light. Jealousy has nothing to do with it. Honestly, the Patriots have nothing to do with it. Cheating is repulsive.

And yet I don't see you making endless posts about the Falcons, Browns, Vikings or Jets who have all been caught cheating in the past couple months. Where is you sanctimony about them? Or, for that matter, about Jerry Rice's recent admissions? This has nothing to do with the subject of cheating and everything to do with your jealousy of NE's success.

I refuse to address any subject of intent because the term "intent" relies on the assumption they are guilty. We all know your philosophy is they are guilty until proven innocent (and even then they're still guilty) but that is not a philosophy to which I subscribe. Therefore, all your ramblings about intent get no more response than the ravings of a crazy homeless guy on the street yelling the end is near.

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

Wondering if anyone on this thread thinks anything past maybe the first couple of days thinks anything has been accomplished and why? This topic was first brought up three weeks ago.

 

[DallasCowboys2080]

misdirection from the Patriots. It's Patriots fans perpetually shouting, other people are sinning, look at them, don't look at us. The fact that others did something bad does nothing to enhance your position.

 

[Rogah]

Wondering if anyone on this thread thinks anything past maybe the first couple of days thinks anything has been accomplished and why? This topic was first brought up three weeks ago.

Well, ESPN has officially abandoned the "11 of 12 balls were 2 PSI under" Mort Report.

I'm sure that still won't be enough for those in here married to that one single report, clinging desperately to it with ever fiber of their being praying for Mort to be vindicated.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Fresh #DeflateGate wrinkle involves special-teams ball
Posted by Mike Florio on February 17, 2015, 10:19 PM EST

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It’s been more than two weeks since anyone has advanced the ball on the question of whether the Patriots used intentionally deflated footballs in the AFC championship game. The latest twist has nothing to do with football inflation.

Kelly Naqi of ESPN.com reports that a Patriots locker-room attendant tried to introduce an unapproved kicking ball during the first half of the game between Indianapolis and New England. Investigator Ted Wells has interviewed the attendant, 48-year-old Jim McNally, regarding the situation.

McNally, a part-time employee of the Patriots, had been assigned to the officials’ locker room for the game. Alternate official Greg Yette became suspicious, according to Naqi, upon noticing that the football tendered by McNally lacked the “K” ball designation. Yette notified NFL V.P. of game operations Mike Kensil regarding McNally’s attempt to insert a non-“K” ball into the game.

Read more: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...pecial-teams-ball/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs

 

[nathanlt]

And yet I don't see you making endless posts about the Falcons, Browns, Vikings or Jets who have all been caught cheating in the past couple months. Where is you sanctimony about them? Or, for that matter, about Jerry Rice's recent admissions? This has nothing to do with the subject of cheating and everything to do with your jealousy of NE's success.

I refuse to address any subject of intent because the term "intent" relies on the assumption they are guilty. We all know your philosophy is they are guilty until proven innocent (and even then they're still guilty) but that is not a philosophy to which I subscribe. Therefore, all your ramblings about intent get no more response than the ravings of a crazy homeless guy on the street yelling the end is near.

Observing intent is necessary, and does not automatically assume guilt. If they had come out and been transparent and had a reasonable explanation, (like the low limit theory), their intent would have revealed honesty at the outset. But their feigned ignorance was more telling than anything, they had been caught red handed. Their tone said it all, you can't prove anything. Defiant cheating.

As for the other teams, I haven't heard about their cheating stories, so I don't know. But that's kind of the point, if the Patriots win the super bowl in a scandal with blatant cheating, every team will increase or start cheating to win. It's a massive tipping point, is the NFL a cesspool of cheaters, or will they play the game with integrity?? Fair play and honor mean something. Little league took the trophy away from cheaters, (adults scarred the kids, unfortunately), I wish the NFL had integrity like that!!

Looking back on these weeks of discussion, I think it has been productive. On one side you have
Cheating, everyone does it, so what's the big deal??
Natural forces might have caused it, although no one admitted the footballs were intentionally at the low limit.
People who hate cheating are only jealous of success, they really are in favor of cheating.

On the sensible side, you have
1 in 8 million chance it was pure randomness and patriot organization initial ignorance.
The re - reporting that changed specific terms like 1 and 2 psi low to undefined terms, a tick below?? Smells like league posturing to me.
Horrendous press conferences with weak ignorance claims, reveal guilty consciences of Belicheck and Brady.

I think running this argument to ground, it's pretty clear the Patriots were trying to cheat. It comes down to people who despise cheating versus fanatical Patriots supporters, ultimately. It's been productive, and the obvious conclusion is apparent.

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

misdirection from the Patriots. It's Patriots fans perpetually shouting, other people are sinning, look at them, don't look at us. The fact that others did something bad does nothing to enhance your position.

Thus sayeth the lynch mob.

So the Deflatgate investigators are stupid because they have not already reached your conclusions?

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

Very little content has been added the past 2+ weeks....my question has been answered that it's been nothing but a hatefest during this time.

One would think if the Patriots have been as proflic at cheating as the local Hatriots say, Spygate and Deflategate would be buried amongst dozens of other examples of systematic cheating, yet they don't offer what that is.....hmmm.