If the deflategate concludes without the Patriots returning the trophy

[Rogah]

Observing intent is necessary, and does not automatically assume guilt.

Uh, yes it does. It is like someone saying to you "Why did you punch your girlfriend in the face last night?" Hopefully your response would be that you did no such thing. Then they say "I'm just trying to judge your intent, so tell me why you punched your girlfriend in the face last night."

If they had come out and been transparent and had a reasonable explanation, (like the low limit theory), their intent would have revealed honesty at the outset.

Newsflash: That's exactly what they did. In one of Belichick's press conferences he talked all about physics, how much he had learned about ball preparation, and how they had spent the last several days talking to scientists and running their own experiments.

As for the other teams, I haven't heard about their cheating stories, so I don't know.

Thank you for 100% proving my point.

You don't give 2 turds about fairplay
You don't give 2 turds about cometitive balance
You don't give 2 turds about integrity of the game

You don't, as you claim, "despise cheating." What you despise is the Patriots for all their success. All you care about is your personal vendetta against all things Patriot. Anyone who genuinely cared about fairplay would want all teams held to an equal standard and receive equal punishments for equal infractions.

But that's kind of the point, if the Patriots win the super bowl in a scandal with blatant cheating, every team will increase or start cheating to win.

There it is, folks. It's the Patriots' fault that the Vikings illegally heated their footballs. It's the Patriots' fault the Browns texted messages to the sidelines. I suppose it's also the Patriots' fault that Jerry Rice use stick'em all those years ago, huh?

You're like a traffic cop that sees a Volkswagen doing 75 in a 70, so you do nothing about it.
Then you see a Subaru doing 75 in a 70, so you do nothing about it.
Then you see a Mazda doing 75 in a 70, so you do nothing about it.
Then you see a Lamborghini doing 75 in a 70, so you pull the guy over, walk up to the car, tell the driver "you were breaking the law and all I care about is the integrity of our laws" and you shoot him dead right there on the spot.

Then it turns out that your radar gun was malfunctioning and the Lamborghini probably wasn't even doing 75 MPH in the first place, but you just shrug your shoulders and say to yourself "well I caught that same guy speeding 7 years ago so he got what he deserved."

 

[DallasCowboys2080]

Thus sayeth the lynch mob.

So the Deflatgate investigators are stupid because they have not already reached your conclusions?

they've been accused of bending rules before. its nothing new to this team. its not like its one incident or two like some teams. its the cheatriots. not the publics fault. but keep on deflecting.

 

[DallasCowboys2080]

lol at all the #DEFLECTGATE

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

they've been accused of bending rules before. its nothing new to this team. its not like its one incident or two like some teams. its the cheatriots. not the publics fault. but keep on deflecting.

Show me the convictions.

You and others put the bandwidth as if this goes far beyond Spygate and Deflategate - show me those convictions over the years.

If you and others can, link them:

• Team A says Patriots did....
• Team B says Patriots did....
• Team C says Patriots did....

So far, Spygate plus maybe Deflategate (if they convict) is a one on a scale of one to one hundred....pales compared to some salary cap violations three years ago....unless you can prove there is a lot more cheating with smoking guns, you and others are flat out OCD on misdemeanors and willfully ignoring felonies by other teams.

To quote a couple of controversial people, the problem these days is people are governed by feelings (as the song goes nothing more than feelings....) instead of thoughts (facts.)

So prove it. This is not just small fry of Spygate, but numerous teams say this is an advantage of 50 or 60 on a scale of 1 to 100, like Lance Armstrong.

I liked Lance Armstrong, but had to believe what his teamates said.

So give me a list of teams that goes way beyond Eric Mancini and the Jets over the past 7 years or even since 2000

 

[NEFAN1961]

Fresh #DeflateGate wrinkle involves special-teams ball
Posted by Mike Florio on February 17, 2015, 10:19 PM EST

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It’s been more than two weeks since anyone has advanced the ball on the question of whether the Patriots used intentionally deflated footballs in the AFC championship game. The latest twist has nothing to do with football inflation.

Kelly Naqi of ESPN.com reports that a Patriots locker-room attendant tried to introduce an unapproved kicking ball during the first half of the game between Indianapolis and New England. Investigator Ted Wells has interviewed the attendant, 48-year-old Jim McNally, regarding the situation.

McNally, a part-time employee of the Patriots, had been assigned to the officials’ locker room for the game. Alternate official Greg Yette became suspicious, according to Naqi, upon noticing that the football tendered by McNally lacked the “K” ball designation. Yette notified NFL V.P. of game operations Mike Kensil regarding McNally’s attempt to insert a non-“K” ball into the game.

Read more: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...pecial-teams-ball/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs

Big Dog...Adam Schefter (not a Pat's apologist as far as I know) debunked this on Outside the Lines ....McNally got the football from NFL officials....

 

[DallasCowboys2080]

Show me the convictions.

You and others put the bandwidth as if this goes far beyond Spygate and Deflategate - show me those convictions over the years.

If you and others can, link them:

• Team A says Patriots did....
• Team B says Patriots did....
• Team C says Patriots did....

So far, Spygate plus maybe Deflategate (if they convict) is a one on a scale of one to one hundred....pales compared to some salary cap violations three years ago....unless you can prove there is a lot more cheating with smoking guns, you and others are flat out OCD on misdemeanors and willfully ignoring felonies by other teams.

To quote a couple of controversial people, the problem these days is people are governed by feelings (as the song goes nothing more than feelings....) instead of thoughts (facts.)

So prove it. This is not just small fry of Spygate, but numerous teams say this is an advantage of 50 or 60 on a scale of 1 to 100, like Lance Armstrong.

I liked Lance Armstrong, but had to believe what his teamates said.

So give me a list of teams that goes way beyond Eric Mancini and the Jets over the past 7 years or even since 2000

#FACEPALMGATE #REDUNDANCYGATE

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

#FACEPALMGATE #REDUNDANCYGATE

Surely you can do better than a Twitter hashtag, which like forums like this are overrun by opinion, opinion, opinon.

Got any real links from sites attempting to just report news?

 

[DallasCowboys2080]

Surely you can do better than a Twitter hashtag, which like forums like this are overrun by opinion, opinion, opinon.

Got any real links from sites attempting to just report news?

#WE'VEHEARDTHISAPOLGISTTECHNIQUEBEFOREGATE

 

[DallasCowboys2080]

#BANDWIDTHGATE #ONLYBLAMETHEANTICHEATERSFORBANDWIDTHGATE

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

#BANDWIDTHGATE #ONLYBLAMETHEANTICHEATERSFORBANDWIDTHGATE

Anyone notice how impossible it is to work with someone that STRONGLY DISAGREES?

This is a simple, uncomplicated request: a link (URL.) A URL from a newspaper like DMN, NYT, etc. A source like ESPN, Foxsports, NFL.com. Of course, some will question newsources like Florio, Bayless, etc., but it is a step above watercooler sources such as forums, and Twitter.

For people that have so much time to rant with opinion, opinion, opinion, an article link from the Star-Telegram or NBC Sports would seem to be a very easy thing to do.

 

[Rogah]

Surely you can do better than a Twitter hashtag

Actually, it has become painfully obvious that he can't do better than a Twitter hashtag.

They don't have facts on their side, they don't have stats on their side. All they have is mindless hashtag cliches.

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

Actually, it has become painfully obvious that he can't do better than a Twitter hashtag.

They don't have facts on their side, they don't have stats on their side. All they have is mindless hashtag cliches.

At least he did not put forum links to the Colts, Ravens, and Jets....man, I'm trying hard to find some good in his links.

 

[Rogah]

Wonderful.

Now we have reports that an NFL employee was stealing the balls from this game (balls that should have gone to charity). He stole a "K" ball and gave a Gillette Stadium official a replacement, who gave that to the refs, but that replacement was not an authorized "K" ball.

What a cluster-mess this whole thing is. You got corrupt officials stealing balls from the game which should have been given to a charity. You have a 20 year NY Jets executive spearheading the initial investigation. (How many people in here would be cool with a Commanders executive investigating the Cowboys?)

The NFL is just trying to cover-up their own incompetence over this whole thing and blame it on the Patriots - who did nothing wrong - but they keep digging deeper and deeper.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Wonderful.

Now we have reports that an NFL employee was stealing the balls from this game (balls that should have gone to charity). He stole a "K" ball and gave a Gillette Stadium official a replacement, who gave that to the refs, but that replacement was not an authorized "K" ball.

What a cluster-mess this whole thing is. You got corrupt officials stealing balls from the game which should have been given to a charity. You have a 20 year NY Jets executive spearheading the initial investigation. (How many people in here would be cool with a Commanders executive investigating the Cowboys?)

The NFL is just trying to cover-up their own incompetence over this whole thing and blame it on the Patriots - who did nothing wrong - but they keep digging deeper and deeper.

You look more foolish with every post. Doubling down, the cycle spirals deeper and deeper. Whats silly is we now have a "part time employee" of the Cheatriots "stealing" balls for profit. You cant even make this stuff up, and somehow the Pats want everybody to buy this? And you put it on the league?

Everybody knew some employee equivalent to a janitor would take the fall for this one. Oh, except the kool aid drunk Pats fans.

 

[Miller]

Wonderful.

Now we have reports that an NFL employee was stealing the balls from this game (balls that should have gone to charity). He stole a "K" ball and gave a Gillette Stadium official a replacement, who gave that to the refs, but that replacement was not an authorized "K" ball.

What a cluster-mess this whole thing is. You got corrupt officials stealing balls from the game which should have been given to a charity. You have a 20 year NY Jets executive spearheading the initial investigation. (How many people in here would be cool with a Commanders executive investigating the Cowboys?)

The NFL is just trying to cover-up their own incompetence over this whole thing and blame it on the Patriots - who did nothing wrong - but they keep digging deeper and deeper.

Thank you. For a week I sat there with you laughing about how ignorant it was to jump to conclusion and that the NFL was going to look like idiots when nothing was found. All I heard was hateful b.s. This whole thing is blowing up in the leagues face. I'd love to see those who were adamant about guilt to come back here.

You look more foolish with every post. Doubling down, the cycle spirals deeper and deeper. Whats silly is we now have a "part time employee" of the Cheatriots "stealing" balls for profit. You cant even make this stuff up, and somehow the Pats want everybody to buy this? And you put it on the league?

Everybody knew some employee equivalent to a janitor would take the fall for this one. Oh, except the kool aid drunk Pats fans.

Are you serious? Ted Wells is getting this from video. Before the SB even started it came out that the balls weren't all 2 psi under. You are looking like a bitter fan who was never objective to start.

 

[Rogah]

You look more foolish with every post. Doubling down, the cycle spirals deeper and deeper. Whats silly is we now have a "part time employee" of the Cheatriots "stealing" balls for profit. You cant even make this stuff up, and somehow the Pats want everybody to buy this? And you put it on the league?

Newsflash: It was an NFL employee who stole the footballs, not a Patriots employee. Let me say that again: It was a LEAGUE employee who stole the footballs and has subsequently been fired by the LEAGUE.

In the future I suggest you actually read articles before commenting on them. You'll look a lot less foolish.

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

^ He's not thinking, but feeling.

How can you reach out to someone consumed by feelings such as hate?

You can't.

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

Report: NFL fired employee who sold Deflategate footballs

Alert: Members will claim NFL is bought out by Patriots, etc...

 

[Vtwin]

Report: NFL fired employee who sold Deflategate footballs

Alert: Members will claim NFL is bought out by Patriots, etc...

What is the point of having this spitting match for days?

Anyone seriously think the other side is going to cave?

 

[Corso]

What is the point of having this spitting match for days?

Anyone seriously think the other side is going to cave?

I'm enjoying it immensely.
Carry on gentlemen!