If you could have one QB next year in the draft?

[Rack]

I agree Quinn hasn't played as well as last year (so far).


But his protection has been absolutely horrible. As far as I'm concerned, when you factor in how bad the pass blocking has been, he's played almost as good as last year (hell, maybe even better). It's common sense that a QB won't play as good when he running for his life then when he gets to sit back - untouched - and pick a D apart.

He played phenomenal last night when you consider the rain, wind, and pass protection.


And about Troy Smith... I don't think he's too short to play QB in the NFL. He's 6'1" isn't he? Not a "prototype" but tall enough. And he's got a rocket arm. He's got a stronger arm then Quinn (not as good of a passer though).

I think Smith will be a first round pick.

 

[ghst187]

still have to say Brady Quinn...
although Brohm is probably my second choice.
Even though we have Romo locked up and groomed to take over, we'll still need another young, groomable QB behind Romo.

 

[Glenn Carano]

Troy Smith

Except for one play yesterday, Smith was very ordinary. (12-22 115 yds 1 TD 2 Int) Better play better next week @ Iowa.

 

[Glenn Carano]

He's just saying that Quinn is being over-hyped. ND hasn't beaten anybody yet and won't because they have a cake walk schedule. They only won the game because a very ordinary MSU team dominated them and then gave the game away. No doubt, Notre Dame should fall in the polls for winning this way.

:cry2:

 

[Hostile]

He lost to Troy Smith in a bowl game last year, who lost to Vince Young. He lost to Matt Leinart last year, who also lost to VY. If he's so great, why does he struggle with tough college defenses. If he struggles with tough college defenses, what will he do against pro defenses. See, Drew Bledsoe.

Actually, I believe if you look real closely you'll find that in each of the cases you just mentioned it was their teams who lost to the better team.

I know that might confuse you a bit since you have no grasp of QB at all, but at least I'm trying to help. Perhaps an example from History might really assist you. Okay, I got my avatar back, I'm feeling charitable.

In 1988 USC, led by Rodney Peete, beat cross town rival UCLA, led by Troy Aikman. By your absolutely ridiculous logic (ARL) that would make Peete the better QB option of the two. Heisman trophy voters agreed with your ARL and Peete was runner up in the voting to Barry Sanders. He also won the Johnny Unitas Award as the Nation's best college QB and was the PAC 10 player of the year in 1988. Psst, UCLA is also in the PAC 10 so he beat him out there too. Add to this 2 trips to the Rose Bowl his last 2 years of college ball.

By your ARL, he's clearly the better prospect. But not so fast...

Jimmy Johnson, the former Head Coach of the Cowboys who won 2 Super Bowls, disagreed with your ARL and those voters. He selected Aikman with the 1st overall pick as the best QB in college football.

Oh, in case you're wondering, Peete was selected by the Lions with the 2nd pick...of the 6th round, and the 9th QB taken in that Draft. He also spent a year in Dallas...as Aikman's backup QB.

In case you weren't aware, Aikman, the elite QB of the 2 we are discussing here, went on to win 3 Super Bowl Championships. That's the ultimate goal of any football player, and especialy a QB. Peete, that guy who by your ARL was the better of the 2 because he won that 1988 matchup, well, he never won a Super Bowl and he spent more of his career as a backup than he did as a starter.

Now, you're probably thinking I dislike Rodney Peete. Well, you'd be dead wrong yet again. You see, Rodney is from right here in the town where I live. He played at Sahuaro High School, which just happens to be where I got my start in coaching and I know his dad, Willie. He's a legend here. I haven't met him personally but I'd like to, and not just because his wife is gorgeous. He comes from good stock and I admire his people.

Oh, just for your gee whiz collection and to amplify my claim Troy Smith is too short. Peete was listed at 6'1" just like Smith but at the Combines it was clarified to 6'0", just like I suspect Smith will be. Or 5'11" which I've heard said on Mike & Mike a couple of times.

I now return you to your ARL. Try and spin this and all you'll do is throw up from being so dizzy.

 

[Hostile]

He's just saying that Quinn is being over-hyped. ND hasn't beaten anybody yet and won't because they have a cake walk schedule. They only won the game because a very ordinary MSU team dominated them and then gave the game away. No doubt, Notre Dame should fall in the polls for winning this way.

"Cake walk schedule?"

:laugh2:

You never cease to amaze me with your lack of grasp for anything.

So far this year, Notre Dame has played

Georgia Tech, 3-1 and a ranked team.
Penn State, 2-2 and a ranked team at the time they played, just lost to Ohio State yesterday 28-6. Their only other loss? Notre Dame 41-17.
Michigan, 4-0 and a ranked team.
Michigan State, 3-1, and just outside the top 25, with people wondering why they weren't in.

No team in the country started their season with a tougher schedule than Notre Dame. That is a 12-4 combined record right there. The fact they are 3-1 should mean something.

Again, I can't stand Notre Dame, so don't think I'm on their bandwagon. I'm not. I just can't stand lack of facts spoken as an imutable truth even more.

Translation, don't bring this weak crap in here and expect me to accept it. Know what you're talking about for a change.

 

[Displaced Cowboy]

I wouldn't take any QB in this draft.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Actually, I believe if you look real closely you'll find that in each of the cases you just mentioned it was their teams who lost to the better team.

I know that might confuse you a bit since you have no grasp of QB at all, but at least I'm trying to help. Perhaps an example from History might really assist you. Okay, I got my avatar back, I'm feeling charitable.

In 1988 USC, led by Rodney Peete, beat cross town rival UCLA, led by Troy Aikman. By your absolutely ridiculous (ARL) logic that would make Peete the better QB option of the two. Heisman trophy voters agreed with your ARL and Peete was runner up in the voting to Barry Sanders. He also won the Johnny Unitas Award as the Nation's best college QB and was the PAC 10 player of the year in 1988. Psst, UCLA is also in the PAC 10 so he beat him out there too. Add to this 2 trips to the Rose Bowl his last 2 years of college ball.

By your ARL, he's clearly the better prospect. But not so fast...

Jimmy Johnson, the former Head Coach of the Cowboys who won 2 Super Bowls, disagreed with your ARL and those voters. He selected Aikman with the 1st overall pick as the best QB in college football.

Oh, in case you're wondering, Peete was selected by the Lions with the 2nd pick...of the 6th round, and the 9th QB taken in that Draft. He also spent a year in Dallas...as Aikman's backup QB.

In case you weren't aware, Aikman, the elite QB of the 2 we are discussing here, went on to win 3 Super Bowl Championships. That's the ultimate goal of any football player, and especialy a QB. Peete, that guy who by your ARL was the better of the 2 because he won that 1988 matchup, well, he never won a Super Bowl and he spent more of his career as a backup than he did as a starter.

Now, you're probably thinking I dislike Rodney Peete. Well, you'd be dead wrong yet again. You see, Rodney is from right here in the town where I live. He played at Sahuaro High School, which just happens to be where I got my start in coaching and I know his dad, Willie. He's a legend here. I haven't met him personally but I'd like to, and not just because his wife is gorgeous. He comes from good stock and I admire his people.

Oh, just for your gee whiz collection and to amplify my claim Troy Smith is too short. Peete was listed at 6'1" just like Smith but at the Combines it was clarified to 6'0", just like I suspect Smith will be. Or 5'11" which I've heard said on Mike & Mike a couple of times.

I now return you to your ARL. Try and spin this and all you'll do is throw up from being so dizzy.

Classic.


Just classic.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Really, though, I think I'd prefer either Chris Simms

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Theoretically, If healthy, hypothetically, .......Brian Brohm

 

[Doomsday]

I would still say Brady Quinn. The QB who has impressed me the most so far this year is Will Proctor, not a senior but he has played really well especially vs a good FSU defense.

 

[dbair1967]

Really, though, I think I'd prefer either Chris Simms or Matt Schaub... Simms will be an UFA, Schaub a RFA...

not just no, but hell no...especially on Simms, who is truly God-awful

David

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Id rather wait on Matt Sims

 

[LatinMind]

i would be happy with any of these

brady quinn
drew stanton
brian brohm
jordan palmer

 

[Crown Royal]

I admire his people.

What do you mean 'his people?!?'

 

[Chuck 54]

Troy Smith... 6'1", 215, is not too short for the type of QB and skills he brings to the game. If you are talking about plugging in another Parcells type QB, then no, he doesn't fit the bill, but if you're talking about a big time QB who can read defenses, make the throws, and has great mobility on top of it and is performing well this year, then Troy Smith is the man.

But let's not forget that Brady Quinn came back from a horendous start last night, led his team to victory from 16 points down in the 4th, and finished with over 300 passing and 5 tds to only 1 int, so Quinn is still at the top of most people's boards, I believe.

 

[Hostile]

What do you mean 'his people?!?'

His family. They're truly good folks.

 

[Hostile]

Troy Smith... 6'1", 215, is not too short for the type of QB and skills he brings to the game. If you are talking about plugging in another Parcells type QB, then no, he doesn't fit the bill, but if you're talking about a big time QB who can read defenses, make the throws, and has great mobility on top of it and is performing well this year, then Troy Smith is the man.

I predict at the Combines, when he gets officially measured, that he won't be 6'1".

 

[Chuck 54]

I predict at the Combines, when he gets officially measured, that he won't be 6'1".

Well, that's a safe bet since hardly anyone is ever as big, strong, or fast as advertised...I'm sure Joe Montana probably didn't have great measurables either.

I think Quinn and Smith will both make it in the NFL...usually when people start looking at the lower echelon QB's who have strong arms or play in a fun and gun style, and raise them up to the guys from the big schools, it's usually a mistake.

College football is the minor leagues, and there's no substitute for a starting QB who won and put up numbers against the top competition, imo.

Keep your eye on Booty of USC...stronger arm than Leinart, sat and learned, now immediately successful with USC and has 2 years to get ready for the NFL. I'll take guys in programs like that any day over a guy with better measurables from a small school.

 

[Displaced Cowboy]

Troy Smith won't even be 6 feet at the combine.