If you could Screw Zach Thomas' head on Roy Williams Body

[SilverStarCowboy]

And of course, 'no comment' and 'expressing disappointment' aren't very good for business are they?

Totally different approach from the current Coaching Staff, considering Hambricks' quote "What do Voluntary mean?" and the negative response he recieved from the media and some fans.


You buying?

Seemed to work pretty well to 13-3.

 

[tomson75]

And of course, 'no comment' and 'expressing disappointment' aren't very good for business are they?

Yet it happens often.

 

[Idgit]

And of course, 'no comment' and 'expressing disappointment' aren't very good for business are they?

From my limited experience, NFL coaches aren't all that shy about expressing disappointment in a player. I mean, 300 pound NFL safeties who get religion and don't show up for practice--the coaches would talk about that, right? Since we're better off without Roy on this team anyway. Or do they just lie to the media to keep the illusion that the team is on the right page, and it's only players like Terrence Newman who tell it like it is, except, you know, when they also say positive things about Roy that are just ommitted from their quotes on this board because we all know they're just saying them to keep peace in the locker room?

 

[tomson75]

Can someone refresh my memory...was it this big of a deal last year when Spears, Terrell Owens, Terry Glenn, Julius Jones, Jason Ferguson, and Ware missed OTA's?

Seriously, I don't remember...and I'm not trying to be a smart***.

 

[Stash]

From my limited experience, NFL coaches aren't all that shy about expressing disappointment in a player. I mean, 300 pound NFL safeties who get religion and don't show up for practice--the coaches would talk about that, right? Since we're better off without Roy on this team anyway. Or do they just lie to the media to keep the illusion that the team is on the right page, and it's only players like Terrence Newman who tell it like it is, except, you know, when they also say positive things about Roy that are just ommitted from their quotes on this board because we all know they're just saying them to keep peace in the locker room?

Wow, overreact much?

Heaven forbid anyone criticizes the 1 guy out of about 85 who misses OTA's!

You know, the guy that needs all the work he can get to bounce back from his stinker of a 2007 season.

Sorry if my distaste offends you so much but it's my opinion and I'm entitled to express it. But continue to exaggerate any criticisms into blantant lies.

 

[Idgit]

Wow, overreact much?

Heaven forbid anyone criticizes the 1 guy out of about 85 who misses OTA's!

You know, the guy that needs all the work he can get to bounce back from his stinker of a 2007 season.

Sorry if my distaste offends you so much but it's my opinion and I'm entitled to express it. But continue to exaggerate any criticisms into blantant lies.

Not sure I see any overreaction, and not sure I said you weren't entitled to a dumb opinion, but let's play 'spot the blatant lies,' shall we?

I should note that I didn't mean to imply that you were singly responsible for any or all of the preposterous Roy Williams statements I was paraphrasing.

 

[InmanRoshi]

From my limited experience, NFL coaches aren't all that shy about expressing disappointment in a player.

Depends on the coach and his personal style.

Some coaches will publicly throw you under the bus.

Other coaches will put the PR spin on it in public to the media, but start benching you in certain situations, drafting other players at your position to start phasing you out even more and holding behind closed door meetings with the player.

 

[Stash]

Not sure I see any overreaction, and not sure I said you weren't entitled to a dumb opinion, but let's play 'spot the blatant lies,' shall we?

I should note that I didn't mean to imply that you were singly responsible for any or all of the preposterous Roy Williams statements I was paraphrasing.

Yeah, my opinion is 'dumb' because it doesn't match yours......

I don't see how people have the audacity to jump on someone who thinks differently than they do.

 

[Wimbo]

:leave:

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Depends on the coach and his personal style.

Some coaches will publicly throw you under the bus.

Other coaches will put the PR spin on it in public to the media, but start benching you in certain situations, drafting other players at your position to start phasing you out even more and holding behind closed door meetings with the player.

that part was done because our idiot, defensive leader ****ed up and went to the media

 

[Idgit]

Yeah, my opinion is 'dumb' because it doesn't match yours......

I don't see how people have the audacity to jump on someone who thinks differently than they do.

I didn't say your opinion in this case was dumb because it disagreed with mine. I happen to think it was an independently dumb opinion. A panel of experts might agree that it's the opinion is dumb, and I wouldn't be at all surprised. The fact remains, though, that the team did have options other than excusing the absence from an OTA. You can persist in feeling they chose not to excercise them for any convoluted reason you want to.

I like you, stasheroo. And I'm not jumping on you for thinking differently than I do. I'm disagreeing with you for thinking differently than I do. Really, my rant a few posts above wasn't directed at you in particular.

 

[tomson75]

:leave:

 

[MapleLeaf]

I wish every player on the team prepared with the intensity of a Zach Thomas, played with the intensity of a Marion Barber, had the leadership of a Michael irvin, had the character of a Roger Staubach, had the stength of a Larry Allen, had the longevity of an Emmitt Smith, and had the otehr wordly talent of a Deion Sanders.


It'll never happen.

...the never give up attitude of Bill Bates. The stone cold precision of a Troy Aikman pass, the stoicism of a Tom Landry...etc, etc...

You would end up with the Dallas Cowboys as a whole and the reason why so many of us follow this team faithfully.

The players and coaches have captured our imaginations over the years and I personally cannot think of a more stronger cast of characters with the exception of the Packers, Bears and Steelers.

There are those who will define a team and our impressions of the time he played on the Cowboys and there are those who are just along for the ride.

When I think about the current Cowboys team I think about the rookie bloody nose and the helmetless run by Jason Witten.

The crazy scramble plays from Tony Romo, especially the shotgun snap over his head.

Unfortunately Roy Williams is slowly fading away from my consciousness when I think about players who define this current team.

It doesn't mean he is a bad player, but he's far from a defining player in my book. He just another Cowboy in the cast now.

 

[JPM]

Can someone refresh my memory...was it this big of a deal last year when Spears, Terrell Owens, Terry Glenn, Julius Jones, Jason Ferguson, and Ware missed OTA's?

Seriously, I don't remember...and I'm not trying to be a smart***.

Not that I can remember, in fact until it was brought up I don't even remember seeing an article about it.

 

[Idgit]

Depends on the coach and his personal style.

Some coaches will publicly throw you under the bus.

Other coaches will put the PR spin on it in public to the media, but start benching you in certain situations, drafting other players at your position to start phasing you out even more and holding behind closed door meetings with the player.

In those cases, would the owner and the player's team coordinator likely come out in the press and make postive comments about the player's prospects for the season jus tto make it all the more hurful when their passive-aggressive trap is sprung?

 

[Stash]

I didn't say your opinion in this case was dumb because it disagreed with mine. I happen to think it was an independently dumb opinion. A panel of experts might agree that it's the opinion is dumb, and I wouldn't be at all surprised. The fact remains, though, that the team did have options other than excusing the absence from an OTA. You can persist in feeling they chose not to excercise them for any convoluted reason you want to.

I'll look past the 'dumb' opinion comment even though it was ignorant.

The fact also remains that it does the team zero good to air dirty laundry in public, especially given the player involved and the current public perception.

I like you, stasheroo. And I'm not jumping on you for thinking differently than I do. I'm disagreeing with you for thinking differently than I do. Really, my rant a few posts above wasn't directed at you in particular.

I have no problem with you disagreeing, but the insults I can do without.

We all have differences of opinion and this is an especially polarizing topic, but we all have the right to express our opinions, as different as they may be.

Roy Williams missing a few OTA's may not be a big deal to some, but it's another development and situation that a player looking for a bounce-back season doesn't need.

He's getting piled on enough by fans and the media, he doesn't need to give anyone any additional ammunition.

 

[InmanRoshi]

In those cases, would the owner and the player's team coordinator likely come out in the press and make postive comments about the player's prospects?

Were you around in the Quincy Carter years? Jerry is almost positive to a fault.

Bobby Carpenter is running 3rd string right now, and Wade is saying he's learning and getting better and that it's probably his fault he didn't play more last year. Not exactly a throw under the bus type, but it's not hard to see what Wade really thinks about a player once you look past the words and look at the actions behind them.

Roy Williams has been a fan favorite, the face of the franchise and made Jerry a lot of money in marketing and merchandising. He's really going to have to work harder than the average bear to play his way off the team. I think he's getting one more year to turn his career around, so there's no point in Jerry or the coaching staff completely burying him publicly at the moment. But let's watch the actions behind the words ... is Roy being phased out more? Is he getting taken off the field more? If Pat Watkins has a sensational training camp, is he getting looks with the first team in camp and preseason games? That's what will tell the story. I'll say this ... if Roy looks like the same Roy we saw last year in camp, and Cowboys have a logjam in the secondary and the developmental players like Courtney Brown, Scandrick, Alan Ball, etc. look like they're going to be players in this league and won't make it past the waiver wire to the practice squad, the Cowboys might have a real delimma on their hands about Roy. He could be this year's Aaron Glenn.

 

[Idgit]

I'll look past the 'dumb' opinion comment even though it was ignorant.

The fact also remains that it does the team zero good to air dirty laundry in public, especially given the player involved and the current public perception.



I have no problem with you disagreeing, but the insults I can do without.

We all have differences of opinion and this is an especially polarizing topic, but we all have the right to express our opinions, as different as they may be.

Roy Williams missing a few OTA's may not be a big deal to some, but it's another development and situation that a player looking for a bounce-back season doesn't need.

He's getting piled on enough by fans and the media, he doesn't need to give anyone any additional ammunition.

Hey. I thought the opinion was dumb. That's separate from saying you're dumb, and that's not something I think. That said, I see why you'd take offense, so I apologize.

If we're going to discount anything postive the team says in the press because it's only said for the good of the team, but count anything negative said in the press because in those cases what was negative was accurate despite the impact it might have had on the team, then we're not going to have many productive conversations that rely on quotes from the coaches and players.

I don't agree, btw, that it would be a bad idea for Roy's coaches to express concern if they have concern about his play or his committment right now. It very well might be good for him.

 

[Idgit]

Were you around in the Quincy Carter years? Jerry is almost positive to a fault.

Bobby Carpenter is running 3rd string right now, and Wade is saying he's learning and getting better and that it's probably his fault. Not exactly a throw under the bus type, but it's not hard to see what Wade really thinks about a player once you look past the words and look at the actions behind them.

Roy Williams has been a fan favorite, the face of the franchise and made Jerry a lot of money in marketing and merchandising. He's really going to have to work harder than the average bear to play his way off the team. I think he's getting one more year to turn his career around, so there's no point in Jerry or the coaching staff completely burying him publicly as long as he's still on the team. But if someone like Pat Watkins has a sensational training camp or Alan Ball/Scandrick look like they're too promising to expose to teh waiver wire, I could see Roy getting the boot to clear the path.

I was. But I guess I'm missing the connection you're trying to make.

 

[Stash]

Hey. I thought the opinion was dumb. That's separate from saying you're dumb, and that's not something I think. That said, I see why you'd take offense, so I apologize.

Thanks.

If we're going to discount anything postive the team says in the press because it's only said for the good of the team, but count anything negative said in the press because in those cases what was negative was accurate despite the impact it might have had on the team, then we're not going to have many productive conversations that rely on quotes from the coaches and players.

I'm not discounting anything the team said. I'm just pointing out that sometimes they also know when not to say anything. I think coaches sometimes blast players out of spur of the moment anger and regret it later on. It's seldom good business to air your dirty laundry in public.

I don't agree, btw, that it would be a bad idea for Roy's coaches to express concern if they have concern about his play or his committment right now. It very well might be good for him.

Considering how many people make reference to a fragile psyche, I'm not so sure. And if they were actually considering trading him (which I doubt myself), criticizing him publicly wouldn't help their cause. Some guys respond well to criticism, but Roy Williams doesn't strike me as one of those guys.