I'll Say It For a Few of Us

[CowboyManDan]

Wow. This has become a long thread.

It's a touchy subject. And I've been all about getting a young QB in here for a long time. I don't think the Cowboys franchise will truely be great agin until we get, develop and play one. (been saying that type of thing in my signature for a while too).

I didn't want a retread, though Bledsoe has played well. Thing is next year he'll turn 34 and another year past his peak IMO. And then our starting WRs will be another year older...but thats another topic.

Parcells is a stubborn style coach. Anyone who continue to play Testeverde last year, is doing it out of stubborness...Henson probably wasn't ready yet...but that's just the point...to give him a little experience to build on. But now it might be too late, guess we'll see in Europe next year assuming he's sent there.

 

[ctalker]

Agreed that Henson should of got some playing time last year and they shouldn't have messed with his mechanics. Glad to hear they are having him go back to his old throwing motion, which is the same as admiting they made a mistake.

I still think Henson still has a chance to be good.

I will be glad when Parcells is gone, but have never liked him.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

i'm your typical average guy. i don't even wanna take meds, much less examine the suckers as i'm in that aisle at wal mart.

I used to be like you. One winter, I had this nagging cough for like 4 months. You know the type that you wake up with in the morning and you go to bed with. It was normal during the day but at night my symptoms got bad. I didn't want to take antibiotics because I hated taking meds. The second winter, I had that same nagging cough. A friend of mine, who is a doctor, hears that cough and figures out I probably have a bacterial infection of upper respiratory system. He gives me a Z-pack and in a week, my cough was completely gone and this was the same cough that annoyed me for months for the second straight year. I learned later that I had some mycoplasma like bacteria which is really tiny bacteria that is hard to kill which is the meds I took focus on that. I realize there are times when it's smart to put the machismo aside and succumb to the meds because it can help. Medcine can be a good thing

 

[iceberg]

I used to be like you. One winter, I had this nagging cough for like 4 months. You know the type that you wake up with in the morning and you go to bed with. It was normal during the day but at night my symptoms got bad. I didn't want to take antibiotics because I hated taking meds. The second winter, I had that same nagging cough. A friend of mine, who is a doctor, hears that cough and figures out I probably have a bacterial infection of upper respiratory system. He gives me a Z-pack and in a week, my cough was completely gone and this was the same cough that annoyed me for months for the second straight year. I learned later that I had some mycoplasma like bacteria which is really tiny bacteria that is hard to kill which is the meds I took focus on that. I realize there are times when it's smart to put the machismo aside and succumb to the meds because it can help. Medcine can be a good thing

yea, i know. this started around thanksgiving and many people are around me who were coughing, meds or not, for 4-6 weeks.

what's working well right now is this "assualt" drink by monster....

 

[WoodysGirl]

I'm sorry, but I completely disagree.

Thomas Jones or Julius Jones?

Can you name the Bears TE?

What about their top 2 WRs?

That is the Bears this year mind you. A 9-3 team. They aren't some kind of juggernaut offense and Orton's just an insignificant piece.

They have a very good defense and they win more because of that defense than their offense. I don't deny that. Same is true of Ben R. to a degree though he has better weapons.

The point is they aren't being "ruined." No player is "ruined." Not even a guy like David Carr who is little more than a speed bump at times. If he never makes it in Houston he could still be valuable as a backup to someone else down the line. maybe even as a starter on a better team.

The only guy I've ever heard of who came from nowhere to set this league on fire was Kurt Warner. Everyone else came from somewhere where they earned their stripes.

If our young guys can't cut it, let's at least find out and quit wondering.

I could prolly name the Bears top WRs, but w/the help of nfl.com. But why go thru the effort when that wasn't my point. I actually agree with you that a player won't be ruined by being given PT. I wasn't actually debating that particular point, since history has shown that they develop at different paces. I was just commenting on the fact that I don't feel that using Orton and the Bears as a true comparison to Henson/Romo and the Cowboys is fair.

I personally feel like with Henson coming back from a long layoff, I can't imagine him producing even what Kyle Orton has done. Forget what he did in that one series against the Ravens. That was just a tease.

But something I keep seeing over and over in every QB thread is frustration at the fact that Henson and Romo are the great unknown. And the fact that many believe that as long as BP is here, you prolly won't know. I don't agree with that.

I felt that once Bledsoe was here that showed me the plan of the Cowboys as it relates to the QB position. Bledsoe's not homegrown, but I felt he stabilized the position, so that we could go out and draft the next QB should Henson not pan out.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

I felt that once Bledsoe was here that showed me the plan of the Cowboys as it relates to the QB position. Bledsoe's not homegrown, but I felt he stabilized the position, so that we could go out and draft the next QB should Henson not pan out.

But how realistic is that? For your plan to work, you have to assume Bledsoe will play at a high level for at least another 3 years while our future QB we draft takes 1-2 years to develop? And do you really expect Bledsoe to help us win a Superbowl within the next 2 years especially with our offensive line being far from perfect (which is what Bledsoe would need since he is immobile)

 

[WoodysGirl]

But how realistic is that? For your plan to work, you have to assume Bledsoe will play at a high level for at least another 3 years while our future QB we draft takes 1-2 years to develop? And do you really expect Bledsoe to help us win a Superbowl within the next 2 years especially with our offensive line being far from perfect (which is what Bledsoe would need since he is immobile)

I don't have superbowl aspirations as they relate to Bledsoe. I just don't think we're quite there. I think we'll be in contention just like we are now, but I just don't see enuff to believe he can take us there. I meant "stabilize" by meaning he'll hold it down until a young guy can take over.

I don't have a problem with bringing in a young QB, but only if it's a situation similar to Chicago or Pitt. I wouldn't have put Henson or Romo out there with the 2004 team. If they were ready, I wouldn't have a problem with them playing this year. But I think next year, would be much better if the Cowboys were to make that move.

I know some people are impatient as it relates to QB position, but I'm willing to think there's a plan in place.

 

[iceberg]

I could prolly name the Bears top WRs, but w/the help of nfl.com. But why go thru the effort when that wasn't my point. I actually agree with you that a player won't be ruined by being given PT. I wasn't actually debating that particular point, since history has shown that they develop at different paces. I was just commenting on the fact that I don't feel that using Orton and the Bears as a true comparison to Henson/Romo and the Cowboys is fair.

I personally feel like with Henson coming back from a long layoff, I can't imagine him producing even what Kyle Orton has done. Forget what he did in that one series against the Ravens. That was just a tease.

But something I keep seeing over and over in every QB thread is frustration at the fact that Henson and Romo are the great unknown. And the fact that many believe that as long as BP is here, you prolly won't know. I don't agree with that.

I felt that once Bledsoe was here that showed me the plan of the Cowboys as it relates to the QB position. Bledsoe's not homegrown, but I felt he stabilized the position, so that we could go out and draft the next QB should Henson not pan out.

and what are you basing his panning out on? it certainly can't be opportunity on the field.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I have a feeling that if the Bears had played our schedule, their record would look a lot more like ours... Although that's OT from the thread.

It's just frustrating to see teams who were worse than us pass us, while we wonder about basic questions like who our QB will be.

 

[WoodysGirl]

and what are you basing his panning out on? it certainly can't be opportunity on the field.

I don't know if he will or not. I'm no QB expert and u'll never see me claim to be.

Hopefully he'll get some real PT. But my first clue, tho certainly not the only one, would be if they bring in another QB.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I have a feeling that if the Bears had played our schedule, their record would look a lot more like ours... Although that's OT from the thread.

It's just frustrating to see teams who were worse than us pass us, while we wonder about basic questions like who our QB will be.

playing in the NFC North, they caught lightning in a bottle. Basically caught their division sleeping and whupped up on 'em. Minny's making a run, but I'm not sure they can catch 'em at this point.

 

[el_chevo]

Wow. This has become a long thread.

It's a touchy subject. And I've been all about getting a young QB in here for a long time. I don't think the Cowboys franchise will truely be great agin until we get, develop and play one. (been saying that type of thing in my signature for a while too).

I didn't want a retread, though Bledsoe has played well. Thing is next year he'll turn 34 and another year past his peak IMO. And then our starting WRs will be another year older...but thats another topic.

Parcells is a stubborn style coach. Anyone who continue to play Testeverde last year, is doing it out of stubborness...Henson probably wasn't ready yet...but that's just the point...to give him a little experience to build on. But now it might be too late, guess we'll see in Europe next year assuming he's sent there.

This, of course, might be another thread starter, but how much of Parcells' actions are influenced by Jerry Jones? I understand that Parcells is headstrong, but surely Jerry has had some influence (bad or good) on his play calling and decisions regarding players.

 

[gbrittain]

A few things of note:

1. The biggest mistake Bill Parcells has made with his tenure in Dallas is to turn this tenure into "win now" mode.

2. What I dont know about QBs in the NFL, the Patriots and Bills have filled in the blanks for me.

Why did the Patriots give up on Bledsoe? I know he got hurt, and in comes Tom Brady. However, if the Patriots thought the world of Drew why did they trade him to a division rival? Either they did not have a better offer for an alleged franchise QB than the one the Bills offered or they did not fear trading Bledsoe to a division rival. Perhaps a little of both, which does not speak well for Bledsoe.

Why did the Bills outright release a franchise QB to play an unproven J.P. Losman?

In the NFL where it is all about the QB, it speaks volumes that one team traded him to a division rival and that team in turn released him after investing a #1 pick in him.

3. I said it then and I will say it again BP made a mistake by not playing Henson or Romo for that matter last year. Lets just say hypothetically that Dallas was cruising along to homefield advantage in the Playoffs and Drew Bledsoe was on fire. Dallas would be one play away from playing a QB who has never played an entire NFL game. It made sense to get one of those guys some meaningfull playing time last year.

BP has absolutely butchered the Cowboys in the QB department, bus driving, QC, Vinny, no idea what we have in a back-up, and etcetera.

Although I am very upset with what BP has done in the QB department, dont interpret that I blame Bledsoe for this loss, because I am sure someone would point that out even though I never said that.

 

[Hostile]

I could prolly name the Bears top WRs, but w/the help of nfl.com. But why go thru the effort when that wasn't my point. I actually agree with you that a player won't be ruined by being given PT. I wasn't actually debating that particular point, since history has shown that they develop at different paces. I was just commenting on the fact that I don't feel that using Orton and the Bears as a true comparison to Henson/Romo and the Cowboys is fair.

My question is then, when is there EVER a truly "fair" comparison. If young QB to young QB isn't fair, what is?

I personally feel like with Henson coming back from a long layoff, I can't imagine him producing even what Kyle Orton has done. Forget what he did in that one series against the Ravens. That was just a tease.

How do we know this for 100% truth? That loses me every time. If he had 4 straight games like the 1/2 versus the Bears I'd be all in favor of moving on.

But something I keep seeing over and over in every QB thread is frustration at the fact that Henson and Romo are the great unknown. And the fact that many believe that as long as BP is here, you prolly won't know. I don't agree with that.

I don't want to agree with it, but the evidence speaks volumes. Last year, How much did the young guys play? How much this year? In garbage time they aren't even getting looks. That disturbs me. For both guys. I like Henson. I make no bones about it. Play Romo when the game is decided. I'll be thrilled. Even if he stinks. At least it begins to erase some of the unknown.

I felt that once Bledsoe was here that showed me the plan of the Cowboys as it relates to the QB position. Bledsoe's not homegrown, but I felt he stabilized the position, so that we could go out and draft the next QB should Henson not pan out.

I see a stabilizer and "pan out" entirely different. If we want to see if Henson will "pan out" he has to play. A stabilizer is an "insurance policy." Bring in the "insurance policy" when the prospect fails to "pan out."

I'd never try and build around rented QBs. That's just me. It is the one position I will never agree with that philosophy. Too important. I will always want to begin a rebuilding process with a young guy and I will always want to draft young guys to keep the position growing and fresh. We have failed miserably at this and I don't know why. More than any other team the Cowboys prove that QB matters.

 

[Hostile]

A few things of note:

1. The biggest mistake Bill Parcells has made with his tenure in Dallas is to turn this tenure into "win now" mode.

2. What I dont know about QBs in the NFL, the Patriots and Bills have filled in the blanks for me.

Why did the Patriots give up on Bledsoe? I know he got hurt, and in comes Tom Brady. However, if the Patriots thought the world of Drew why did they trade him to a division rival? Either they did not have a better offer for an alleged franchise QB than the one the Bills offered or they did not fear trading Bledsoe to a division rival. Perhaps a little of both, which does not speak well for Bledsoe.

Why did the Bills outright release a franchise QB to play an unproven J.P. Losman?

In the NFL where it is all about the QB, it speaks volumes that one team traded him to a division rival and that team in turn released him after investing a #1 pick in him.

3. I said it then and I will say it again BP made a mistake by not playing Henson or Romo for that matter last year. Lets just say hypothetically that Dallas was cruising along to homefield advantage in the Playoffs and Drew Bledsoe was on fire. Dallas would be one play away from playing a QB who has never played an entire NFL game. It made sense to get one of those guys some meaningfull playing time last year.

BP has absolutely butchered the Cowboys in the QB department, bus driving, QC, Vinny, no idea what we have in a back-up, and etcetera.

Although I am very upset with what BP has done in the QB department, dont interpret that I blame Bledsoe for this loss, because I am sure someone would point that out even though I never said that.

Post of the day. That was a clinic.

 

[Champsheart]

I know what I express here isn't popular or PC for this board, but I'll say it anyway because it is true.

The mistake was made last year with the benching of Drew Henson at halftime of a Thanksgiving day game, and the stubborn insistence on playing Vinny Testaverde when we had absolutely nothing to gain.

The New York Giants, during the same season, chose to sit down an aging Kurt Warner who is playing his mediocre football for another losing team this season, and grow with a young, green, QB. As you saw today, they are STILL suffering with him.

Problem is, they are not BEHIND US are they? They are AHEAD OF US, and they are STILL developing their QB of the future.

Somewhere along the line a lot of Cowboys fans have forgotten that is isn't our goal to be RESPECTABLE. It is our goal to win championships isn't it? Isn't that a part of what it meant to be a Cowboys fan, to think that way?

5 Super Bowl victories, a few more NFC Championships, America's Team, and now all of the sudden we are satisfied with NEW YORK GIANTS football and RETREAD QB's.

I don't care what Drew Henson turns out to be one day, I'll say it for as long as I watch football, they have mishandled that kid. No one has ever disputed that he has the physical tools to play the QB position and what do our QB guru's do but go change his motion and treat him like an equal to a Division 2 or 3 (I forget), short little golfer who tries to immulate his hero Brett Favre.

I'm a Cowboys fan and have been for life. From the time I can remember watching football, I guess at about 6 or 7 years old until today, that is about 35 years, I have lived and died with our Cowboys.

But I don't like the approach we have taken of late. I would rather try to develop our own long term QB and fail several times before we hit on him than to keep importing Bill's kids.

For the record, and I hope you don't miss this, I THINK BLEDSOE HAS PLAYED WELL THIS YEAR. I think anyone jumping off the Bledsoe bandwagon after today is just plain wrong.

What I'm saying today I have said since last year. It has nothing to do with Bledsoe, it has to do WITH A PHILOSOPHY, and the current one disappoints me.

There, now maybe I'll feel better.

Well, I guess I will just have to disagree.

Henson has showed me nothing, nothing at all.

I know he has not gotten much of a chance, but from what I have seen in the Pre-Season, and little last year I think he is a gamble gone wrong. Send him to Europe IMO.

I have much higher hopes for Romo, than Henson. The only thing people are going off of is a couple of College games years ago.

I hope we draft a QB somewhere in the Draft. If I had to drop one of our QB's it would be Henson.

 

[rcaldw]

Well, I guess I will just have to disagree.

Henson has showed me nothing, nothing at all.

I know he has not gotten much of a chance, but from what I have seen in the Pre-Season, and little last year I think he is a gamble gone wrong. Send him to Europe IMO.

I have much higher hopes for Romo, than Henson. The only thing people are going off of is a couple of College games years ago.

I hope we draft a QB somewhere in the Draft. If I had to drop one of our QB's it would be Henson.

We will just agree to disagree then, because Henson hasn't even gotten a fair shot. I don't think what you saw against the Ravens was a tease, I think it was a glimpse of what might have been or could be, if given the proper opportunity with the proper patience. Unfortunately, it is looking like we will never know.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I know what I express here isn't popular or PC for this board, but I'll say it anyway because it is true.

The mistake was made last year with the benching of Drew Henson at halftime of a Thanksgiving day game, and the stubborn insistence on playing Vinny Testaverde when we had absolutely nothing to gain.

The New York Giants, during the same season, chose to sit down an aging Kurt Warner who is playing his mediocre football for another losing team this season, and grow with a young, green, QB. As you saw today, they are STILL suffering with him.

Problem is, they are not BEHIND US are they? They are AHEAD OF US, and they are STILL developing their QB of the future.

Somewhere along the line a lot of Cowboys fans have forgotten that is isn't our goal to be RESPECTABLE. It is our goal to win championships isn't it? Isn't that a part of what it meant to be a Cowboys fan, to think that way?

5 Super Bowl victories, a few more NFC Championships, America's Team, and now all of the sudden we are satisfied with NEW YORK GIANTS football and RETREAD QB's.

I don't care what Drew Henson turns out to be one day, I'll say it for as long as I watch football, they have mishandled that kid. No one has ever disputed that he has the physical tools to play the QB position and what do our QB guru's do but go change his motion and treat him like an equal to a Division 2 or 3 (I forget), short little golfer who tries to immulate his hero Brett Favre.

I'm a Cowboys fan and have been for life. From the time I can remember watching football, I guess at about 6 or 7 years old until today, that is about 35 years, I have lived and died with our Cowboys.

But I don't like the approach we have taken of late. I would rather try to develop our own long term QB and fail several times before we hit on him than to keep importing Bill's kids.

For the record, and I hope you don't miss this, I THINK BLEDSOE HAS PLAYED WELL THIS YEAR. I think anyone jumping off the Bledsoe bandwagon after today is just plain wrong.

What I'm saying today I have said since last year. It has nothing to do with Bledsoe, it has to do WITH A PHILOSOPHY, and the current one disappoints me.

There, now maybe I'll feel better.

I think you've raised the bar a little bit high there

weren we not 6-10 last year? can't turn it all around in one offseason, sure, you have your exceptions, but you can't just expect it to go from horrible to outstanding (Super Bowl) in one year because another team did, horrible to respectable is about what we should expect from our team

btw, Tom Brady wasn't developed, sometimes you have to be just, well...lucky, when it comes to finding QBs

 

[rcaldw]

Agreed that Henson should of got some playing time last year and they shouldn't have messed with his mechanics. Glad to hear they are having him go back to his old throwing motion, which is the same as admiting they made a mistake.

I still think Henson still has a chance to be good.

I will be glad when Parcells is gone, but have never liked him.

I've not heard this. Where did you see or hear that they changed his motion back? Anyone else read or heard this?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Silly as Chicago being 9-3.

Chicago is doing it with their running game and defense, not by the arm of Orton