I'm on the Jon Kitna Bandwagon

[DTown214]

I'm on any band wagon that doesn't involve Brandon Weeden.

 

[punchnjudy]

In hindsight, if Mike had teamed with Troy to set up another reality show--this time for a backup qb spot--they probably would have produced a better talent than Weeden. Another window missed.

 

[KJJ]

That's certainly your opinion, and there may be some validity to it since Vaughan is a developmental player. However, Vaughan outplayed Weeden in the preseason (granted, against a lower level of backups), but the Cowboys were not going to make him the backup because they value experience in their backups.

I'm saying I would make Vaughan the backup. It doesn't mean he's any more likely to succeed than Weeden, but I believe he's got a potential future where I don't see one for Weeden. If the plan is to get another vet backup, I'm OK with that. If the plan is to stick with Weeden, I'd rather just go with Vaughan.

There's a lot of validity to what I'm saying Vaughn has no regular season NFL experience and the Cowboys would never and I mean NEVER play him in meaningful games in Nov/Dec unless Romo and Weeden are unable to play due to injury. You just said what I've been saying Vaughn is a "developmental player" and as bad as Weeden looked Sunday it would be far worse with Vaughn. The Cowboys would have absolutely no chance with a developmental QB starting games that have the Cowboys season riding on them. Imagine how discouraging it would be watching Vaughn trying to out duel Andrew Luck. The Cowboys would lose by at least 3 scores in that game. Vaughn has never faced starting caliber NFL talent. If you the Cowboys can't make plays in the passing game the running game will get shut down.

Vaughn would never be able to handle the blitz which the Cowboys are going to see the rest of the season after being exposed by Washington. Vaughn just suited up for the first time Sunday. He's not going to see the field unless injuries force the Cowboys to play him or the team is being beaten down by 30 points with 6 minutes left and he's put in to finish out the game. As long as the Cowboys are in contention and Weeden remains healthy Vaughn isn't going to see the field regardless of how poorly Weeden plays. The Cowboys are going or sink or swim with Weeden until Romo returns.

 

[ConstantReboot]

You would consider Vaughn because you sound like a typical armchair football fan. Why would Weeden be any better? Have you not been reading my posts? I've explained in detail why he would be better try keeping up with the discussion. You honestly believe after ONE bad game the Cowboys would be reluctant to give Weeden another chance during a crucial game and are considering Vaughn right this moment as a possible alternative with 7 games left in the season and the Cowboys tied for first in the NFC East? LOL

What has Vaughn done in the NFL to make you think he could step in during Nov/Dec and the lead the Cowboys to the playoffs if Romo is unable to play for an extended period? Romo has had trouble handling big game pressure in Dec and you think DUSTIN VAUGHN who's never taken a regular season NFL snap could handle it?

Guess what? I am an armchair footfall fan. This is a forum which most opinions like yourself don't really matter.

Weeden sucks and we can't depend on him, period. I would rather take a flyer on Vaughn as backup and Im sure that the Cowboys are probably thinking the same thing after that performance with the Cardinals.

If you think that Weeden is our only option than thats your opinion. I highly doubt it and Im thinking some of the Cowboys are probably thinking the same thing.

 

[ConstantReboot]

You wanting to go with an undrafted free agent rookie who was making mistakes during preseason against players fighting for roster spots is based on sheer frustration with Weeden.

Making mistakes is part of the game as and undrafted free agent. As for preseason I saw how Vaughn played. He's better than Weeden. I would not hesitate to see what he's got over Weeden.

 

[KJJ]

Guess what? I am an armchair footfall fan. This is a forum which most opinions like yourself don't really matter.

Weeden sucks and we can't depend on him, period. I would rather take a flyer on Vaughn as backup and Im sure that the Cowboys are probably thinking the same thing after that performance with the Cardinals.

If you think that Weeden is our only option than thats your opinion. I highly doubt it and Im thinking some of the Cowboys are probably thinking the same thing.

Weeden sucks and Vaughn would suck worse. I never said Weeden was our only option I said he's our "best" option until Romo returns. The Cowboys aren't thinking the same thing you are they're not going to have their playoff hopes hinge on a developmental QB who's never taken a regular season NFL snap...nuff said!

 

[KJJ]

Making mistakes is part of the game as and undrafted free agent. As for preseason I saw how Vaughn played. He's better than Weeden. I would not hesitate to see what he's got over Weeden.

In preseason Vaughn played against bubble players not against starters. I never read one report in camp that stated Vaughn was looking better than Weeden. The Cowboys saw this summer that Vaughn had nothing over Weeden.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Weeden sucks and Vaughn would suck worse. I never said Weeden was our only option I said he's our "best" option until Romo returns. The Cowboys aren't thinking the same thing you are they're not going to have their playoff hopes hinge on a developmental QB who's never taken a regular season NFL snap...nuff said!

Oh I bet they are if they were smart. Anything can happen and they have to prepare for the worst. There is a reason they kept Vaughn around. Romo is hurt and has back problems. Weeden is not even considered worthy of being in the NFL. They have Vaughn there if things goes further south. There is a reason why he's still around.

Weeden sucks but Vaughn sucks worst is nothing more than a guessing game. NO one knows whats going on with the Cowboys internally. But I'm sure they have Vaughn around for a reason and if things get worst I don't doubt for a second they'll go with him when that times comes.

 

[khiladi]

Did somebody call?

 

[Fritsch_the_cat]

I wonder if Clint Longley is still hunting rattlesnake...

We don't need anyone punching Romo, thank you.

 

[KJJ]

Oh I bet they are if they were smart. Anything can happen and they have to prepare for the worst. There is a reason they kept Vaughn around. Romo is hurt and has back problems. Weeden is not even considered worthy of being in the NFL. They have Vaughn there if things goes further south. There is a reason why he's still around.

Weeden sucks but Vaughn sucks worst is nothing more than a guessing game. NO one knows whats going on with the Cowboys internally. But I'm sure they have Vaughn around for a reason and if things get worst I don't doubt for a second they'll go with him when that times comes.

They're prepared for the worst which is why they kept 3 QB's and Vaughn suited up last Sunday. The "worst" is Romo being out for an extended period and Weeden being injured. If Weeden isn't even considered worthy of being in the NFL than how come the Cowboys signed him to backup Romo? Vaughn was kept around in the event of injuries to both Romo and Weeden and to develop to see if he has a future. They didn't keep him around in the event Romo gets injured and to take over for a struggling Weeden.

 

[KJJ]

The Cowboys are 6-3 in the NFC East with 7 games left and are beginning to leak oil riding a 2 game losing streak so yeah let's start an undrafted rookie free agent developmental QB in an attempt to give the team a spark.

 

[KJJ]

Weeden sucks but Vaughn sucks worst is nothing more than a guessing game.

It's an educated guess based on Vaughn's pedigree and lack of NFL experience compared to Weeden's. Weeden has over 25 NFL starts and has been getting all the work with our starting lineup since training camp. He even played with Dez in college you don't think all the above gives Weeden an advantage over Vaughn?

 

[5Stars]

We don't need anyone punching Romo, thank you.

Nice....lol

 

[gimmesix]

There's a lot of validity to what I'm saying Vaughn has no regular season NFL experience and the Cowboys would never and I mean NEVER play him in meaningful games in Nov/Dec unless Romo and Weeden are unable to play due to injury. You just said what I've been saying Vaughn is a "developmental player" and as bad as Weeden looked Sunday it would be far worse with Vaughn. The Cowboys would have absolutely no chance with a developmental QB starting games that have the Cowboys season riding on them. Imagine how discouraging it would be watching Vaughn trying to out duel Andrew Luck. The Cowboys would lose by at least 3 scores in that game. Vaughn has never faced starting caliber NFL talent. If you the Cowboys can't make plays in the passing game the running game will get shut down.

Vaughn would never be able to handle the blitz which the Cowboys are going to see the rest of the season after being exposed by Washington. Vaughn just suited up for the first time Sunday. He's not going to see the field unless injuries force the Cowboys to play him or the team is being beaten down by 30 points with 6 minutes left and he's put in to finish out the game. As long as the Cowboys are in contention and Weeden remains healthy Vaughn isn't going to see the field regardless of how poorly Weeden plays. The Cowboys are going or sink or swim with Weeden until Romo returns.

The only thing I agree with you on is the last part of what you said: Vaughan isn't going to see the field regardless of how poorly Weeden plays.

I disagree wholeheartedly about the level of success he might experience. I believe based on what I saw in the preseason and the running game and line we have in place now that Vaughan could succeed. Would he? I absolutely do not know any better than you know that he would fail.

I do know that there is no way the Weeden I saw Monday will outduel Andrew Luck, and frankly, it would be more discouraging to me to lose by three scores with an experienced QB than with an inexperienced one ... if it came down to that.

 

[DoomsDayD]

This post actually shows the desperation mode that people are in. JON KITNA!!!!

 

[5Stars]

This post actually shows the desperation mode that people are in. JON KITNA!!!!

Hell, call QC up and bring him in at this point. I'll even provide the smoke for him!!

 

[KJJ]

I disagree wholeheartedly about the level of success he might experience. I believe based on what I saw in the preseason and the running game and line we have in place now that Vaughan could succeed. Would he? I absolutely do not know any better than you know that he would fail.

How can you disagree based on Vaughn's level of inexperience? You're basing everything on what you saw in preseason. You need to base your opinion on what we've been seeing with the team the past 3 weeks. The OL has struggled in pass protection. In Romo's last 2 games he was sacked 7 times and 5 of those sacks came vs Washington. He suffered an int and a fumble in those games due to the heavy pressure he was under. The lack of pass protection is the reason he was injured. As for the running game if you don't have an accurate passer who can efficiently throw the ball down the field defenses will stack up against the run we saw that on Sunday vs AZ. I know Vaughn would fail and fail BIG because of his lack of development and experience. Defenses would be licking their chops facing him.

Even highly touted #1 picks who are deemed NFL ready have their struggles as rookies. Vaughn hasn't seen near enough to handle what defenses will throw at him and he most certainly won't be able to handle the blitz or the big game pressure having only played against average NFL talent during preseason. Vaughn in the starting lineup in Nov/Dec would lead to a disaster and have everyone screaming to put Weeden back in. lol Vaughn may develop into a very good QB down the road but like I keep saying he's not ready to start an NFL game and provide the Cowboys with the experience and efficiency necessary for the team to be successful. Jerry and the coaches would tell you the same thing.

 

[DeaconMoss]

The Grave has been dug. If Romo is in it. We are done. But I agree with the Rookie statement. He can't be any worse than Weeden. Can he?

 

[ConstantReboot]

How can you disagree based on Vaughn's level of inexperience? You're basing everything on what you saw in preseason. You need to base your opinion on what we've been seeing with the team the past 3 weeks. The OL has struggled in pass protection. In Romo's last 2 games he was sacked 7 times and 5 of those sacks came vs Washington. He suffered an int and a fumble in those games due to the heavy pressure he was under. The lack of pass protection is the reason he was injured. As for the running game if you don't have an accurate passer who can efficiently throw the ball down the field defenses will stack up against the run we saw that on Sunday vs AZ. I know Vaughn would fail and fail BIG because of his lack of development and experience. Defenses would be licking their chops facing him.

Even highly touted #1 picks who are deemed NFL ready have their struggles as rookies. Vaughn hasn't seen near enough to handle what defenses will throw at him and he most certainly won't be able to handle the blitz or the big game pressure having only played against average NFL talent during preseason. Vaughn in the starting lineup in Nov/Dec would lead to a disaster and have everyone screaming to put Weeden back in. lol Vaughn may develop into a very good QB down the road but like I keep saying he's not ready to start an NFL game and provide the Cowboys with the experience and efficiency necessary for the team to be successful. Jerry and the coaches would tell you the same thing.

KJJ I know what your trying to say and we just gonna have to agree to disagree.

I too have seen Vaughn play and he was much more accurate and had great footwork for someone his size. At this time Weeden should not be even considered after that horrendous performance. It probably won't be possible but if worst comes to worst, and all we need to do is have a reliable bus driver who can protect the ball and not throw INTs during crucial moments, I will hedge my bet on Vaughn over Weeden.