Interesting Elliott stat, yards after contact

[lostar2009]

Interesting Ajai rush for 1200 and came on strong his 2nd season. I wonder what he could have done in Dallas.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

How awesome would it be if you actually tried to refute this instead of attacking me?


Yikes. Staff talking about attacking a poster because they don't like his logical argument.

How awesome would it be if you actually made a coherent and recent argument that did not basically fall back to...they did not do what I think they should have done so since they did not I will continue to spam threads with my opinion about how I do not agree with their opinion and argue with anyone that does not agree with my opinion.

I have called you no insulting names. However when someone uses the argument...don't attack the messenger attack the message...that only works if your are quoting or using someone elses argument as the message...in your case you are using your OWN message as your argument. And I think you are smart enough to know better but only use that phrase as a cop out on your end.

A year later and still YOU are Pushing the Same Message and since a mod has taken you to task about it and you can not handle it you break out the woe is me the mod is picking on me card. As Col Potter would say...Horse Hockey...but Since you want to go down that road instead of just moving on...

YIKES...A member on the forum questioning a mod how this site is run publicly instead of privately....tsk tsk


Oh...and THREE TOTAL RUSHING TDs by McFadden. That was a heck of an exceptional year for him. haha

 

[jday]

At least I consider it interesting and important.

It at the very least puts the ol made him debate to bed...

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Interesting Ajai rush for 1200 and came on strong his 2nd season. I wonder what he could have done in Dallas.

He is interesting.

Problem pre-draft was his knees.

He had a condition that some teams were not sure how long he would last at RB.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

The thing is im glad you are sitting in front of your computer desk and not a franchise offense desk. Yes Ramsey is your boy but you don't have to make yourself look silly to try to prove some minimal point.

Hey man. I make multi million dollar decisions everyday from my desk. It's a nice desk.

And yeah the team would look different if I was Garrett who if reports are to be believed was the deciding vote Ramsey vs Zeke. You see in our evaluation process we thought both elite talents.

I guess I'm weird for wanting the elite rarer and more expensive to acquire in free agency talent.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

How awesome would it be if you actually made a coherent and recent argument that did not basically fall back to...they did not do what I think they should have done so since they did not I will continue to spam threads with my opinion about how I do not agree with their opinion and argue with anyone that does not agree with my opinion

Many don't agree with my stance. I think you're the first to say I don't present a coherent argument.

I'm calling you on that.

Oh...and THREE TOTAL RUSHING TDs by McFadden. That was a heck of an exceptional year for him. haha

Touchdowns are largely tram dependent. And touchdowns in one season have proven not to be correlated nor predictive to touchdowns scored in a subsequent season. This is remedial knowledge.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

It at the very least puts the ol made him debate to bed...

It actually doesn't do that at all. If the OL gives you a gaping hole and you're hitting it hard most rbs worth their weight should be breaking first contact and or falling forward. Not many rbs are creating a ton of yards after contact if defenders are constantly. In the backfield.

Ton of variables.

 

[CowboyRoy]

We grabbed a gem in the 4th round that offsets the cap concerns of drafting a RB 4th overall.

I wanted Zeke to wear the star since he was a sophomore... totally ecstatic that he's a Cowboy.

Packaged with Dak, the two young Superstars have the fan base excited and hopeful to experience
the ecstacy of being a dynasty... like the 90s. Fingers crossed.

Somehow Jalen Ramsey, talented as he is, doesn't have that type of spark for the team and fans.
Translation- Zeke will be worth every penny.

I bet he also led the league in yards BEFORE contact.

 

[ryanbabs]

Yes I think we should have taken Ramsey. BTW he played corner last year and shadowed the other team's number 1s.

But thanks for playing.

I like how you didn't address the actual cost implications of taking Zeke and paying through the nose for RB production that is unnecessary across the league and most certainly in our offense.

Ramsey has proven to be every bit as worthy of being a number 4th overall pick as Zeke has to this point. The difference is...Ramsey plays a more important position and his rookie contract represents a bargain for his position. Zeke plays a less important position and his rookie contract represents a premium for his position.

Guys this isn't rocket science.

Sorry, but I can't see Alfred Morris or McFadden taking that screen pass in Pittsburgh to the house or running right through the Bengals defense for a long TD.....or a ton of other plays I saw from #21. We have a very special back. To each his own.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Many don't agree with my stance. I think you're the first to say I don't present a coherent argument.

I'm calling you on that.



Touchdowns are largely tram dependent. And touchdowns in one season have proven not to be correlated nor predictive to touchdowns scored in a subsequent season. This is remedial knowledge.

It is the first time I said you did not present a coherent argument. You were not calling me out on that earlier because I did not say it earlier.
Nice try though.

Touchdowns are points and helps teams win games...especially for teams, like the cowboys, who used to be ok between the twenties but stall in the red zone.

Zeke helped score touch downs in the red zone and he helped us scored touchdowns from long runs. Both were something that we found lacking with McFadden.

Twisting your argument to dismiss the impact of rushing touchdowns for a team is why you lose this whole thing. Beyond just the Touchdowns being 5 times what McFadden gave us...it was an added energy and confidence to this team along side with a young QB who did help, no denying that, but it was Zeke who truly made the difference.

 

[tyke1doe]

Man, I wish someone would create an alternate reality machine so we could end these what-if debates once and for all.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Sorry, but I can't see Alfred Morris or McFadden taking that screen pass in Pittsburgh to the house or running right through the Bengals defense for a long TD.....or a ton of other plays I saw from #21. We have a very special back. To each his own.

I too believe Zeke is better than McFadden and Morris.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

It is the first time I said you did not present a coherent argument. You were not calling me out on that earlier because I did not say it earlier.
Nice try though.

I was calling you on your post.

Twisting your argument to dismiss the impact of rushing touchdowns for a team is why you lose this whole thing. Beyond just the Touchdowns being 5 times what McFadden gave us...it was an added energy and confidence to this team along side with a young QB who did help, no denying that, but it was Zeke who truly made the difference.

Touchdown totals for a player one season are not predictive for future seasons. That's just fact and how the numbers play out. There is nothing to dispute or twist.

I think our td totals for skill players will be high this year but not because they were high last year but because with a good qb our offense should once again be very good to great.

 

[HanD]

Zeke: Round 1; 4th overall; Among highest paid players at his position from day 1 (received $17MM cash year 1)

Bell: Round 2; 48th overall; This coming season he will for the first time be among the highest paid players at his position. (He will get 12MM this year...but has earned $4MM in 4 years prior).

Ajayi: Round 5; 149th overall; Made 600k last year.

i wanted ramsey at the time too but it's gone and done and i'm happy with the outcome and where the team is to date. i think using his signing bonus money is a bit of a misdirection. if you count him for cash year 1, then you have to count him year 2 as only getting 1.6 million which ranks him 23rd in base salary for 2017. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/base/running-back/ otherwise you should count his average annual cost which would put him 9th at 6.2 million. his cap hit this year is 5.7 million which puts him 8th. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/cap-hit/running-back/

still pretty good value IMO for what he produced. between him and dak....everyone should be elated.

trading up for dlaw is what has ALWAYS bugged me. could have had trai turner and kony ealy for dlaw.

 

[CCBoy]

We took Zeke and he won the rushing title as a rookie...a year later and you are still crying over your conceived spilt milk.
Time to get over it.
Too bad we also got a promising DT in Collins in the third, pretty good QB in the 4th and what appears to be a good CB in 6th round.
But...noooo still whining about not getting Ramsey and you want to talk about logical pretzels? Get over yourself.

Don't worry, the Ripple is starting to run low...

 

[JohnsKey19]

Funny because i keep hearing about how great David Johnson is. He didn't even make the top 3.

Johnson is an excellent player...and so is Zeke. I think Zeke, Bell and Johnson are in their own class. Demarco and McCoy would be next.

 

[CCBoy]

I was calling you on your post.
Touchdown totals for a player one season are not predictive for future seasons. That's just fact and how the numbers play out. There is nothing to dispute or twist.

I think our td totals for skill players will be high this year but not because they were high last year but because with a good qb our offense should once again be very good to great.

You go, redefine a stand alone statistic into the category of a non-functional special case...way to add.

 

[CCBoy]

Just one scout's opinion but in the breakout thread referencing Brown.... You should read what they wrote about Ramsey.

No need to go there, for old Dallas fans...we remember Bobby Carpenter.

 

[CCBoy]

Joke?

Alright, who exactly was it that won Rookie of the Year, again?

 

[GORICO]

Zeke is a 3 -down running back who did not get enough opportunities to catch out of the backfield last year but will get a lot more this year..Dunbar had no worth once Zeke came in...Zeke is a total stud who is only like 21 years old. ..in 3 years he wont be worn out and he will hit his peak...Cowboys keep him 5 years and use the crap out of him...maybe he does not get second contract but he will be rich ...close to 25 million and the damage he will do in 5 years will all be worth it for both sides