Interesting Elliott stat, yards after contact

[zrinkill]

Now Zeke is Emmitt Smith.

I could hve used a variety of great RBs as an example, you said DB's are more important than RB's and I find that blatantly untrue.

Zeke also doesn't appear to be the hardest worker.

Bull

 

[Toruk_Makto]

i wanted ramsey at the time too but it's gone and done and i'm happy with the outcome and where the team is to date. i think using his signing bonus money is a bit of a misdirection. if you count him for cash year 1, then you have to count him year 2 as only getting 1.6 million which ranks him 23rd in base salary for 2017. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/base/running-back/ otherwise you should count his average annual cost which would put him 9th at 6.2 million. his cap hit this year is 5.7 million which puts him 8th. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/cap-hit/running-back/

still pretty good value IMO for what he produced. between him and dak....everyone should be elated.

trading up for dlaw is what has ALWAYS bugged me. could have had trai turner and kony ealy for dlaw.

Just used his year 1 cash to describe how big a disparity that exists. Even if you just use AAV.... That's 6x what Bell made per year and 10x what Ajayi did.

Doesn't seem very cost effective to me.

Zeke played like a top 10 player as did Ramsey at their respective positions. Now go look st top salaries for rbs and cbs. Who is an actual value?

 

[bud914]

Thread should be closed. Sometimes you just can't win with people no matter what facts you use. See below

Kyrie Irving says the Earth is undeniably flat: 'This is not even a conspiracy theory'

 

[CCBoy]

Just used his year 1 cash to describe how big a disparity that exists. Even if you just use AAV.... That's 6x what Bell made per year and 10x what Ajayi did.

Doesn't seem very cost effective to me.

Zeke played like a top 10 player as did Ramsey at their respective positions. Now go look st top salaries for rbs and cbs. Who is an actual value?

Up front and to the point...why do that?

For starters, just how good a position IS the cap at present? How is the Cowboys Cap now being managed? Desparity?

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I was calling you on your post.
Touchdown totals for a player one season are not predictive for future seasons. That's just fact and how the numbers play out. There is nothing to dispute or twist.

I think our td totals for skill players will be high this year but not because they were high last year but because with a good qb our offense should once again be very good to great.

Here is the only Fact...not opinion, not conjecture or projection of what COULD be.

Zeke had 5 times the number of touchdowns than McFadden.

You can flip flop and twist yourself into your own illogical pretzel all you want, since you accused others of doing it, but it will not change that fact....once again FACT there is nothing that you can do that will dispute it.

 

[HanD]

Just used his year 1 cash to describe how big a disparity that exists. Even if you just use AAV.... That's 6x what Bell made per year and 10x what Ajayi did.

Doesn't seem very cost effective to me.

Zeke played like a top 10 player as did Ramsey at their respective positions. Now go look st top salaries for rbs and cbs. Who is an actual value?

and that's my point. those numbers exaggerate the argument in your favor by using take home money last year. using that same number methodology, this year leveon will be making almost 10x what zeke is.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

and that's my point. those numbers exaggerate the argument in your favor by using take home money last year. using that same number methodology, this year leveon will be making almost 10x what zeke is.

After making 4 million over 4 years. And oh btw Pittsburgh hasn't been exactly thrilled with the prospect of signing Bell to a huge deal. There is a lesson there.

Also remember when Bell was hurt and Deangelo Williams was the beat fantasy back in all of football? Because I do.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Here is the only Fact...not opinion, not conjecture or projection of what COULD be.

Zeke had 5 times the number of touchdowns than McFadden.

You can flip flop and twist yourself into your own illogical pretzel all you want, since you accused others of doing it, but it will not change that fact....once again FACT there is nothing that you can do that will dispute it.

This would be relevant if Zeke was the only. Material change in the offense between 2015 and 2016.

Hint: He wasn't.

 

[CCBoy]

After making 4 million over 4 years. And oh btw Pittsburgh hasn't been exactly thrilled with the prospect of signing Bell to a huge deal. There is a lesson there.

Also remember when Bell was hurt and Deangelo Williams was the beat fantasy back in all of football? Because I do.

Oh, for sure, Jerry and Stephen are novices at signing a star running back or to an over-the-hill contract. Remember Emmitt Smith and then the departure of Murray?

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

This would be relevant if Zeke was the only. Material change in the offense between 2015 and 2016.

Hint: He wasn't.

That still does not change the FACT of what I said.

Keep twisting all you want. Soon you will be like the old slinky toy once it got twisted it was time to give up on it cause it was not going to go down the stairs again like it did before it got all twisted.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Oh, for sure, Jerry and Stephen are novices at signing a star running back or to an over-the-hill contract. Remember Emmitt Smith and then the departure of Murray?

With him...you might as well throw that logic in the burn barrel.

 

[CCBoy]

With him...you might as well throw that logic in the burn barrel.

Oh, I already have him on ignore...and he doesn't repond to my posts, because at war, he doesn't like losing on two fronts.

 

[zrinkill]

Pittsburgh hasn't been exactly thrilled with the prospect of signing Bell to a huge deal..

Are you claiming its because he is a running back?

What a joke ........ its because he has already been suspended twice and injured twice .......

If he had been great since they drafted him they would be ecstatic to sign him long term.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Oh, for sure, Jerry and Stephen are novices at signing a star running back or to an over-the-hill contract. Remember Emmitt Smith and then the departure of Murray?

So you think Zeke will be over the hill at 26?

 

[zrinkill]

Zeke played like a top 10 player as did Ramsey at their respective positions.

Wrong

Zeke played like the best RB in the league .... was rookie of the year and a starter on the pro bowl.

Jalen played good as a rookie ....... 2 int 55 tackles 14 passes defended

compared to our 6th round rookie CB who had 1 int and 40 tackles 8 passes defended.

 

[CCBoy]

So you think Zeke will be over the hill at 26?

So, you first ignore the reason for a post, and then just interject an abstract and personal motivation as a response. Stick to what all others are capable of understanding, the meaning directly expressed.

Back to your own ramblings of personality...you couldn't acknowledge that the front office for the Cowboys are fully capable of doing positive cap decisions upon the most complex issues involved with a specific player.

The right to just continually cry is something that all posters possess...just don't expect a chorus of matching wails, here.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Wrong

Zeke played like the best RB in the league .... was rookie of the year and a starter on the pro bowl.

Jalen played good as a rookie ....... 2 int 55 tackles 14 passes defended

compared to our 6th round rookie CB who had 1 int and 40 tackles 8 passes defended.

You realize Dak was offensive rookie of the year right?

You also realize you're embarrassing yourself comparing Jalen and Anthony based on counting stats right?

Right?

 

[Toruk_Makto]

So, you first ignore the reason for a post, and then just interject an abstract and personal motivation as a response. Stick to what all others are capable of understanding, the meaning directly expressed.

Back to your own ramblings of personality..

The big decision on Zeke is whether to give him a huge 2nd contract at a point where he will have just about peaked as an athlete.

Usually that's bad business. But because of the 4th overall pick and big money invested in him they'll feel compelled to do exactly that.

 

[CCBoy]

The big decision on Zeke is whether to give him a huge 2nd contract at a point where he will have just about peaked as an athlete.

Usually that's bad business. But because of the 4th overall pick and big money invested in him they'll feel compelled to do exactly that.

Alright, you are now addressing football issues that you present...

Each players role and cap cost is under great scrutiny in today's NFL. No other way around that. Some teams approach cap and draft status differently. Washing once went through draft picks as monopoly money for veterans. The Giants just went back to high front end contracts for aging veterans.

I'm not worrying about directions of the current Cowboys. They now draft extremely well, and develop most talent that is now needed. Secondly, since the lockout, the Dallas Cap Space is up to where New England starts each and every season.

A special case worry isn't going to up and derail the path of this train going down the tracks. This Cowboys group is good, and will be getting better. If Zeke Elliott is resigned after this 'rook' contract, he will deserve every penny...but it will already be integrated into a full picture planned.

 

[John813]

The big decision on Zeke is whether to give him a huge 2nd contract at a point where he will have just about peaked as an athlete.

Usually that's bad business. But because of the 4th overall pick and big money invested in him they'll feel compelled to do exactly that.

It's crazy how the outlook on this team has changed so much since preseason/seeing that Dak could very well be our next franchise QB.
I bring that up because at the time of the draft last year we were still planning on rocking with Romo whose body had started to break down and we needed that immediate impact player that could take some of the load off Romo(like Murray in 14).
With that mindset, Zeke made sense to me. Value wise, I get what you are saying and I agree that teams can find very good to elite backs later in the draft. They could of gone for a RB later on that could of been close to Zeke, but they played it safe.
I was also fine with taking Ramsey due to his athletic ability and him having that shutdown ability. His stats did worry me a bit, but I too saw corner as big need looking ahead(Carr+Claiborne being UFA in 17 & they weren't that good).
We went from a team that had a "window" of a year or two with Romo and then uncertainty of who may be our next legit QB to having a groomed QB with 3 years left on his peanut rookie contract and a window that is potentially wide open for the foreseeable future.

We will have Zeke under contract for at least 4 more years. Too early to say how his body will handle those years/beatings he will undergo. He could be breaking down or could be healthy as can be and genetically solid for a football player.