Is Bledsoe a Hall Of Famer?

[BlueWave]

I couldn't get through all the replies, but let me say this. Drew Bledsoe can get in the Hall, if players like Dan Fouts are in. That being said, because he switched teams in his career, I think he has to have at least two more solid seasons, and win at least one SuperBowl to get in. Had he been a mainstay with one team, then maybe he could get in one numbers alone. I don't know why it is like that, but I think he must win one title to get in. Playoffs this year, championship next year, he's in.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I couldn't get through all the replies, but let me say this. Drew Bledsoe can get in the Hall, if players like Dan Fouts are in. That being said, because he switched teams in his career, I think he has to have at least two more solid seasons, and win at least one SuperBowl to get in. Had he been a mainstay with one team, then maybe he could get in one numbers alone. I don't know why it is like that, but I think he must win one title to get in. Playoffs this year, championship next year, he's in.

I would agree with that. Let him win a SB on his own and he'll have a good shot. If he doesn't he ain't getting in IMHO>

 

[Nors]

This ring thing is kinda BS in football. Guys that are average get in - See Steelers - Swann, Namath. And the beat goes on.

Ted Williams never won a World Series, Yaz? Yet they go in in no issue.

Bledsoe took 2 franchises in flames and made them respectable fast. 2 AFC championship games. Mega NFL records and tops of the chart now stats wise after a season where he was just 32.

Was Danny White any less the QB that the catch happened on 4th down his watch? He damn well could have had a Lombardi or two and his stats are comparable to the others.

- thats how it goes. History looks down at him but he was as good a QB as Staubach and Aikman - JMO. Different casts.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

This ring thing is kinda BS in football. Guys that are average get in - See Steelers - Swann, Namath. And the beat goes on.

Ted Williams never won a World Series, Yaz? Yet they go in in no issue.

Bledsoe took 2 franchises in flames and made them respectable fast. 2 AFC championship games. Mega NFL records and tops of the chart now stats wise after a season where he was just 32.

Was Danny White any less the QB that the catch happened on 4th down his watch? He damn well could have had a Lombardi or two and his stats are comparable to the others.

- thats how it goes. History looks down at him but he was as good a QB as Staubach and Aikman - JMO. Different casts.

I agree on Danny White. He was IMO the best "passer" this team ever had.

 

[Juke99]

I agree on Danny White. He was IMO the best "passer" this team ever had.

Nah...Morton was better as a pure passer.

 

[Cbz40]

Nah...Morton was better as a pure passer.

On the nosey......

 

[jay cee]

For those who are fans of more than 1 sport.

Drew Bledsoe = Dave Kingman




His numbers are great. Numbers are not the essence of the Hall of Fame. They WILL get you on the ballot. They will NOT get you in the door.

Some of the comparisons in this thread have been great. Some a little off base. It is a very good thread overall.

Jim Plunkett won 2 Super Bowls after resurrecting his career and is not in the HOF, nor should he be.

The Hall of Fame is not about stats, Super Bowls, or media attention. The Hall of Fame is about impact on the game.

I've read every post in this thread. I feel I was giving too much weight to his numbers. As such I am changing my mind. I do not think he will get in the Hall of Fame. He has not had enough impact on the game.

If he does that's great. I hope it is because he has 2 more Super Bowl rings and he goes in wearing the star. I'm not going to count on that though because it hasn't happened and it is rare.

IMO Bledsoe > Kingman. Except for homeruns, Kingman had terrible numbers, but I like the analogy Hos. Kingman had a terrible batting average, struck out a ton and was a butcher in the field.

I just looked him up, he only had 4 seasons where his batting average was over 250. He was a career 236 hitter. Major league baseball probably paid him to retire before he could get to 500 homeruns.

I'm sure they would not have wanted to have a 500 homerun guy left out of the HOF.

As for Plunkett, I think that if he had won those two superbowls early in his career, he would have been considered a winner rather than a bust. That perception might have changed things for him considerably.

I am very glad that Aikman won early in his career, because it takes so much pressure off the QB's from the fans and media. David Carr and the kid in Detroit are really starting to feel the heat in their markets.

As I said in an earlier post, I don't think 1 superbowl victory would get Bledsoe in because too many people see him as a loser. I think he would have to win two championships, and play well while doing so.

 

[jay cee]

This ring thing is kinda BS in football. Guys that are average get in - See Steelers - Swann, Namath. And the beat goes on.

Ted Williams never won a World Series, Yaz? Yet they go in in no issue.

Bledsoe took 2 franchises in flames and made them respectable fast. 2 AFC championship games. Mega NFL records and tops of the chart now stats wise after a season where he was just 32.

Was Danny White any less the QB that the catch happened on 4th down his watch? He damn well could have had a Lombardi or two and his stats are comparable to the others.

- thats how it goes. History looks down at him but he was as good a QB as Staubach and Aikman - JMO. Different casts.

I totally agree with you on that Nors. Too much pressure is placed on the QB for the failings of the team.

Danny White should never have been criticized by the fans and media the way that he was.

 

[Juke99]

On the nosey......

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Hey buster, watch it, that's trademarked ya know.

 

[Hostile]

This ring thing is kinda BS in football. Guys that are average get in - See Steelers - Swann, Namath. And the beat goes on.

Ted Williams never won a World Series, Yaz? Yet they go in in no issue.

Bledsoe took 2 franchises in flames and made them respectable fast. 2 AFC championship games. Mega NFL records and tops of the chart now stats wise after a season where he was just 32.

Was Danny White any less the QB that the catch happened on 4th down his watch? He damn well could have had a Lombardi or two and his stats are comparable to the others.

- thats how it goes. History looks down at him but he was as good a QB as Staubach and Aikman - JMO. Different casts.

Like I said, it's more about impact.

Swann and Namath had a bigger impact on the game. Sorry, that's just the truth.

 

[Hostile]

IMO Bledsoe > Kingman. Except for homeruns, Kingman had terrible numbers, but I like the analogy Hos. Kingman had a terrible batting average, struck out a ton and was a butcher in the field.

I just looked him up, he only had 4 seasons where his batting average was over 250. He was a career 236 hitter. Major league baseball probably paid him to retire before he could get to 500 homeruns.

I'm sure they would not have wanted to have a 500 homerun guy left out of the HOF.

As for Plunkett, I think that if he had won those two superbowls early in his career, he would have been considered a winner rather than a bust. That perception might have changed things for him considerably.

I am very glad that Aikman won early in his career, because it takes so much pressure off the QB's from the fans and media. David Carr and the kid in Detroit are really starting to feel the heat in their markets.

As I said in an earlier post, I don't think 1 superbowl victory would get Bledsoe in because too many people see him as a loser. I think he would have to win two championships, and play well while doing so.

I used that analogy only for the 400 HRs and 40,000 yards passing aspect.

 

[Nors]

Like I said, it's more about impact.

Swann and Namath had a bigger impact on the game. Sorry, that's just the truth.

NFL Hall of fame is a joke - Baseball at least constricts and lets the best in. Now the NFL allows "impact guys in". Namath and Swann are poster childs of above average players that got in on 1 game or a few playoff games. There are 2 dozen QB's and WR's better than that dynamic due.


If thats how you get in - its a farce. Isn't that what this board has been lamenting about forever? The hall is a farce and biased? Lets in average players on Dynasties? Steelers....


Now you reverse course and defend them?????????? Anti Nors agenda eh? Ooops!

 

[Nors]

I used that analogy only for the 400 HRs and 40,000 yards passing aspect.

Kingman = VT , VT is career inter leader

Bledsoe has 2 AFC Championship game wins, and for that - A higher QB rating than Unitas, Bradshaw and I really haven't dug into that one further....

Bad Analogy - Bledsoe is closer to Steve Young - Young didn't win a SB till he was 33. Before that he was a career backup yet made Hall, CLEARLY ON THE 49ER DYNASTY COATTAILS! It can happen

 

[Juke99]

NFL Hall of fame is a joke - Baseball at least constricts and lets the best in. Now the NFL allows "impact guys in". Namath and Swann are poster childs of above average players that got in on 1 game or a few playoff games. There are 2 dozen QB's and WR's better than that dynamic due.


If thats how you get in - its a farce. Isn't that what this board has been lamenting about forever? The hall is a farce and biased? Lets in average players on Dynasties? Steelers....


Now you reverse course and defend them?????????? Anti Nors agenda eh? Ooops!

Might as well give this one more try....

Namath didn't make it in on the strength of one game...Namath made it in because in large part, he saved the AFL and, in addition, his "one" game was probably 90% responsible for the merger of the two leagues.

Before he was injured to the point that his physical talents were severely diminished, he transcended the sport.

 

[Hostile]

NFL Hall of fame is a joke - Baseball at least constricts and lets the best in. Now the NFL allows "impact guys in". Namath and Swann are poster childs of above average players that got in on 1 game or a few playoff games. There are 2 dozen QB's and WR's better than that dynamic due.


If thats how you get in - its a farce. Isn't that what this board has been lamenting about forever? The hall is a farce and biased? Lets in average players on Dynasties? Steelers....


Now you reverse course and defend them?????????? Anti Nors agenda eh? Ooops!

How do you fit your head through doors with that ego?

"Anti Nors agenda?" You can't be serious. Your manhood is not being challenged for crying out loud. Grow up.

We all know the HOF is a farce. It has been said in here by more than 1 person.

I could argue with you that baseball lets the best in. All of the Halls of Fame have controversy surrounding them. Get used to it or invest in Kleenex. I'd play the :violin: for you but I have no musical talent beyond turning on a stereo.

 

[Hostile]

Might as well give this one more try....

Namath didn't make it in on the strength of one game...Namath made it in because in large part, he saved the AFL and, in addition, his "one" game was probably 90% responsible for the merger of the two leagues.

Before he was injured to the point that his physical talents were severely diminished, he transcended the sport.

In other words...impact?

Am I in the neighborhood?

 

[Juke99]

Kingman = VT , VT is career inter leader

Bledsoe has 2 AFC Championship game wins, and for that - A higher QB rating than Unitas, Bradshaw and I really haven't dug into that one further....

Bad Analogy - Bledsoe is closer to Steve Young - Young didn't win a SB till he was 33. Before that he was a career backup yet made Hall, CLEARLY ON THE 49ER DYNASTY COATTAILS! It can happen

And I'll try this one more time also...

You just said earlier that comparisons from the 80's on were valid.

Nors, if you truly know the sport you are speaking about, you know the game is entirely different than it was back then.

In fact, you just invalidated your own point by bringing up Unitas and Bradshaw.

Unitas, in ANY poll, will always be considered one of the top five players of all time...so I suppose we'll be seeing Bledsoe's name in the top five from now on as well because he has a higher QB rating???

When you rely on QB ratings as your only supporting argument, it's pretty obvious that said argument holds no weight.

 

[Hostile]

Kingman = VT , VT is career inter leader

Bledsoe has 2 AFC Championship game wins, and for that - A higher QB rating than Unitas, Bradshaw and I really haven't dug into that one further....

Bad Analogy - Bledsoe is closer to Steve Young - Young didn't win a SB till he was 33. Before that he was a career backup yet made Hall, CLEARLY ON THE 49ER DYNASTY COATTAILS! It can happen

I compare Bledsoe to Testaverde more than Young.

Bad analogy.

:wink2:

 

[Juke99]

In other words...impact?

Am I in the neighborhood?

That's what I've been saying, yep.

 

[Nors]

Might as well give this one more try....

Namath didn't make it in on the strength of one game...Namath made it in because in large part, he saved the AFL and, in addition, his "one" game was probably 90% responsible for the merger of the two leagues.

Before he was injured to the point that his physical talents were severely diminished, he transcended the sport.

He was colorfull, won a SB with Jets. His career sucked. Not sure why thatmakes you one of the greatest ever, NFL hall material. Play that Jets season in a wing and rejoice.

Swann? Hello - this board killed the guy in the whole Bullet Hayes debate. Now Swann is an impact player and deserves in? When there are 30 receivers walking thgis earth better than him? That aint right. Irvin one of them.



Bledsoe viewed differently because of a Green Bay punt return in a close SB? Or that after the 2001 AFC Championship game win by Bledsoe - Brady gets the start and SB?


Parcells a better coach because Norwood missed by a foot?