Is Garrett getting a pass for lack of discipline?

[Doomsday101]

A head coach can have control over players off the field. He can hold them accountable and put fear in them that they will get cut if they screw up. But like we have established, Garrett doesnt have those kind of controls. So in this case you cannot hold the coach accountable. But actually we can go way beyond that . Like Doomsday said, a real head coach wouldnt put up with it from the owner. Parcells would tell Jerry there to stick it and would probably even quit if he couldnt buy the groceries. Garrett no doubt is just happy to have a job.

BS, Parcells has said Jerry listens but even Parcells was over rules when Dallas selected Demarcus Ware over Spencer whom Parcells wanted ahead of Ware. In the end Dallas got both players but Ireland was the person who convinced Jerry to take Ware ahead of Spencer.

As for cutting players Jason has when TO created issues he was gone despite the fact Jerry had just paid out big money on an extension to TO. When Jimmy was here guys were getting in trouble I did not see him cutting every player

 

[CowboyRoy]

They are adults, they may lack maturity but they are adults. I would also agree Garrett does not have full say over who is drafted but then most teams are that way where no one person is making the picks alone that is why all teams have large operations in selecting of players with GM's, scouts and HC all involved.

If being an adult simply means being over a certain age, then its a useless term in this conversation. We are talking about someones mental capability to do the right thing. Nothing to do with age.

 

[Rockport]

The moment that Hernandez got arrested they cut him the same day. Jerry would be trying to get the league to change its rule on murder offenders.

Well he was accused of murder so your comparision is totally off.

 

[CowboyRoy]

BS, Parcells has said Jerry listens but even Parcells was over rules when Dallas selected Demarcus Ware over Spencer whom Parcells wanted ahead of Ware. In the end Dallas got both players but Ireland was the person who convinced Jerry to take Ware ahead of Spencer.

As for cutting players Jason has when TO created issues he was gone despite the fact Jerry had just paid out big money on an extension to TO. When Jimmy was here guys were getting in trouble I did not see him cutting every player

Every player? Definitely not. Jimmy freely admitted that better players got more breaks. But he would quite often cut lower guys for any infraction as an example. And certainly guys like Gregory would have been gone long ago. McClain would never have lasted here. Carroll would probably be cut.

 

[Doomsday101]

If being an adult simply means being over a certain age, then its a useless term in this conversation. We are talking about someones mental capability to do the right thing. Nothing to do with age.

That is what is means in the eyes of the law these are not children they are grown men and are responsible for their own action. No NFL team has the time to baby sit these players. Parcells was not going to baby sit LT and he was involved in a lot of off the field activities and would never show up to camp.

 

[CowboyRoy]

@Idgit friend...don't you feel a little embarrassed by your defense of JG and not a week later another player gets in trouble? Can we find some middle ground here? Ultimately the individual is responsible for his/her actions. That being said, when you're in a profession where availability is the best ability, doesn't the HC bare some responsibility for establishing a culture where players are always considerate of the team/franchise when making decisions/actions in their personal lives?

These Garrett apologists will tell you that Garrett is building a winning team. Then when a guy gets suspended they will come around and declare that Garrett cant be held accountable. Its difficult to find credibility in the words of people that contradict themselves like that.

 

[CowboyRoy]

That is what is means in the eyes of the law these are not children they are grown men and are responsible for their own action. No NFL team has the time to baby sit these players. Parcells was not going to baby sit LT and he was involved in a lot of off the field activities and would never show up to camp.

Eyes of the law? What are you talking about. Babysitting?

Guys that need babysitting should be cut. End of story. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. Simple concept.

 

[Doomsday101]

Every player? Definitely not. Jimmy freely admitted that better players got more breaks. But he would quite often cut lower guys for any infraction as an example. And certainly guys like Gregory would have been gone long ago. McClain would never have lasted here. Carroll would probably be cut.

1st off your guessing you don't know what Jimmy would have done. I find it humorous how people can sit here and say what another HC would have done when you don't have a clue. You guess, that is all you got then try to pawn it off as some fact? As for Gregory he is not counting against the 53 and not collecting a pay check.

 

[Doomsday101]

These Garrett apologists will tell you that Garrett is building a winning team. Then when a guy gets suspended they will come around and declare that Garrett cant be held accountable. Its difficult to find credibility in the words of people that contradict themselves like that.

I'm not apologizing for Garrett at all, I expect him to go out and win games and if he fails to be fired but I sure as hell will not blame him or any HC for the actions of grown men. I expect Garrett hold players accountable on the field and in the locker room just as I would expect for any other HC

 

[CowboyRoy]

1st off your guessing you don't know what Jimmy would have done. I find it humorous how people can sit here and say what another HC would have done when you don't have a clue. You guess, that is all you got then try to pawn it off as some fact? As for Gregory he is not counting against the 53 and not collecting a pay check.

Thats right. You dont know any more than I do. We are all guessing and giving opinions. All you can go on was Jimmys history. If you want to act like he wasnt like that, then by all means have at it.

I guess I misunderstood your opinion on this matter. I thought we were in agreement. As far as collecting a paycheck I dont see how that has to do with anything.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I'm not apologizing for Garrett at all, I expect him to go out and win games and if he fails to be fired but I sure as hell will not blame him or any HC for the actions of grown men. I expect Garrett hold players accountable on the field and in the locker room just as I would expect for any other HC

Again I thought your opinion was the same as mine.

So as there is no further confusion:

A. Do you think Jason Garrett is a great coach?
B. Are you satisfied with Garrett as our head coach?
C. Would you have cut Gregory by now?
D. How many times does a grown man have to get suspended before you will cut him?

 

[CowboyRoy]

I'm not apologizing for Garrett at all, I expect him to go out and win games and if he fails to be fired but I sure as hell will not blame him or any HC for the actions of grown men. I expect Garrett hold players accountable on the field and in the locker room just as I would expect for any other HC

So when Tiger Woods got busted cheating on his wife and it was in the news why did most of his commercial endorsers drop him? Why didnt they just come out and say that Tiger is a grown man and they are not responsible for what he does in his personal life?

 

[Idgit]

BS, Parcells has said Jerry listens but even Parcells was over rules when Dallas selected Demarcus Ware over Spencer whom Parcells wanted ahead of Ware. In the end Dallas got both players but Ireland was the person who convinced Jerry to take Ware ahead of Spencer.

As for cutting players Jason has when TO created issues he was gone despite the fact Jerry had just paid out big money on an extension to TO. When Jimmy was here guys were getting in trouble I did not see him cutting every player

Spears, not Spencer. But the point is the same.

 

[Idgit]

These Garrett apologists will tell you that Garrett is building a winning team. Then when a guy gets suspended they will come around and declare that Garrett cant be held accountable. Its difficult to find credibility in the words of people that contradict themselves like that.

I'm not apologizing, since the team is a contender and there's nothing to apologize for, but for once, you're right. This is axactly what I'd say. There's nothing whatsoever contradictory about it though. Lol.

 

[Plankton]

I never said he had no input into selecting players and has cut players like TO who started presenting problems in the locker room. However a HC can't control players away from the field. Jimmy Johnson did not control Eric Williams nor Lett or other guys who were involved in off the field matters. Sitting there acting as if HC are controlling players away from the field is joke and only show what little you know. These are grown men and they will make their own choices.

A real HC? LOL you don't know what you are talking about. Same old crap

Please enlighten everyone as to the off the field problems that Erik Williams and Leon Lett exhibited while Jimmy Johnson was the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys.

 

[chicago JK]

I just think these things happen with most team. Maybe they happen more here, maybe less. I also think there are a lot more players who aren't caught who do similar things.

My biggest thing is how does Garrett handle the success this team had last year. It is a completely different year. He has been unable to pull back to back playoff years. Will this year be any different?

 

[willia451]

Problems with illegal substances? No worries. We'll get you the help you need.

Domestic abuse charges? Hey. Everybody makes mistakes. People deserve second chances in life.

Have some injury issues? We've got the best medical staff in sports. We'll turn those lemons into lemonade.

Emotional instability? We've got the best mentoring and handler program going. Good decision making is closer than you think.

Yes. Come to the Dallas Cowboys my friends. Your career in the NFL does not have to end just because you're locker room cancer or can't stay on the field. We'll put the "U" back in "YOU".

This message brought to you by "Jerry Wipes". Life is messy. Clean it up.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Nothing. He owes Romo 85% of his salary while we're at it.

He's so damn fortunate to have 'lucked' into Dak

and billicheck lucked into brady.... and he didn't know what he had until the second year and an injury to his starting QB....

 

[Doomsday101]

Please enlighten everyone as to the off the field problems that Erik Williams and Leon Lett exhibited while Jimmy Johnson was the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys.

Williams was in a crash while intoxicated, Lett had already been popped on drug test before he was suspended. The Cowboy players were already living the lifestyle that would bring many down did not just happen overnight.

 

[Plankton]

Williams was in a crash while intoxicated, Lett had already been popped on drug test before he was suspended. The Cowboy players were already living the lifestyle that would bring many down did not just happen overnight.

Williams' crash happened when Barry Switzer was head coach. Lett didn't get suspended until 1995, and there's no indication as to when he first failed a drug test.

In terms of whether players were living a lifestyle or not, it's very interesting and telling that the trouble didn't come to light until Johnson was out of Dallas.