Is it Brock Purdy or the culture?

Reverend Conehead

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Here's what I noticed about Purdy in the 49er game:
1. He does not have to lift his team up or do everything himself. They protect him well, have a killer running game, and a stifling defense. Even their special teams are quite good.
2. His receivers are often wide open, thus requiring him only to make easy throws. That's not always. Sometimes he needs to thread the needle, and he can do it when he needs to. But he doesn't have to thread the needle on every throw.
3. If the opposing defense sells out to try to sack Purdy, the 49ers will burn their butts with a long running play or a screenpass.
4. The 49ers adapt extremely well to their opponents' game plan. Seattle was staying right with them, and even had a tiny lead at the half. The 9ers made halftime adjustments and then came out in the second half and clobbered them. They shut them out for most of the second half.

This is taking nothing away from Brock Purdy. He's done an excellent job, and has done everything they asked of him. The 49ers are simply showing what you need to do to help a quarterback to succeed, and that's to not put everything on his shoulders. We saw a modicum of this in 2014 when they finally gave Romo a great O-line and a superb running game. Suddenly he was having the best season of his career.

Purdy has every reason to be confident. He knows on many throws, he just has to get it there without threading a needle. He knows if he did screw up and throw a pick, his team has a defense that can bail him out. He knows on many plays he just has to hand it off, and the line and the running back will take care of the rest. He knows the other team won't shut down his running game. He doesn't have to make a superb, genius play on every play. Then on the occasional play where he actually does need to place the ball in a small window, where only his guy can get it and the defender can't, he has the skill to do that.

The 9ers are just a better organization through and through than the Cowboys. They know how to set up a system where a good quarterback can thrive. They're not going to make Purdy drop back into the shotgun every play and have to make a pass that threads the needle, all while having to dodge defenders because of a crap O-line. They do a great job switching it up, and not only that, the switching up is designed to take advantage of what the other team's defense has been doing. They use that judo concept of using your opponent's momentum against him.
 

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Kirk Cousins didn't last. He was let go to the Vikings. And there was a point where people thought Cousins would go to the 49ers. They didn't want him!
Come on man don't just make up stuff lol. That's insane. First off, Cousins wasn't "let go". He LEFT the Commanders because they made a mistake in not signing him when they could've got him for cheaper.

In regards to them not "wanting him"....also untrue.

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/washington-wouldnt-trade-kirk-cousins-kyle-shanahan-jay-gruden-believes

I don't know exactly what we could have gotten, but I know it would have been more than just one No. 1 pick," Gruden said on "The Kevin Sheehan Show" on Saturday. "I would imagine we could have got their No. 1 for at least two years, and maybe a couple No. 2s, in my opinion. You're talking about a $100 million quarterback, you know. You're talking about the starting quarterback for your franchise for the next five or 10 years, and obviously that's what some teams were looking for."

So if that kind of package was on the table for Washington, why wasn't it accepted? Gruden believes Washington ownership didn't want to send Cousins to Shanahan, due to their prior relationship.


This was all publicized not sure why you resorted to making stuff up.
 

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It would be great to see a SB win by this franchise. But even greater would be seeing the media figuring out a way to trash them the next season despite a SB win. Trust, they will find something.
Yeah at this point i'd love to see the Cowboys win a SB just to see media outlets not be lazy and have to fill screen time with actual thoughtful content and not the same stuff over and over again.
 

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McCaffery vs. Zeke

Contract AAV: McCaffery $16M Zeke $15M
Contract Value: McCaffery $64M Zeke $90M
2022 cap hit: McCaffery (for SF) $690k Zeke $18.2M
2023-2025 cap hit: McCaffery $12M (for all 3 seasons w/no dead money) Zeke $16.7M/$14.3M/$17.1M ($11.8M dead money in 2023)


2022 Stats

Zeke 231 carries 876 yards 12 td's 17 catches 92 yards
McCaffery 244 carries 1,139 yards 8 td's 85 catches 741 yards 5 td's


Yeah, so broken down. LOL
So Zeke's contract wasn't a mistake but you'd take on McCaffery's? Y'all are how this morning lol.
 

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Are you saying SF is immensely more talented than the 'Boys? I can't even name the 49er WRs/TE (we know Kittles). I can't even name the RBs (before McCafferty). It's the CULTURE. They are more physical and quicker than our D. And their coaching beats our's by a landslide. And please don't mention injuries, as the excuse. SF just plugs & play.
you can’t just exclude two of their best players lol. kittle is better than our te’s, mccafrey is better than pollard or zeke. deebo and aiyuk are both very very good. trent williams would be our best lineman (including zack)

then on defense they have three first team all pros and the probable dpoy?
 

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And you don't understand how going from giving up less than 20 points a game is different than giving up 23 points a game?

And for arguments sake.....let's take out the games Dak threw a pick 6 in. Surely the points per game the defense gave up has to be under 20 right?
You ask questions that I answered in my post had you read through it. When Rush started 5 games, the Dallas defense gave up 16 points/game....but remember, so many claimed Rush played against crappy teams and gave up zero pick 6's and turned the ball over 3 times (3 int's vs. Philly).

Also keep in mind that Dak turnovers (fumble or int) led to the opposing team scoring 44 total points; the majority of those turnovers were in Dallas territory so the Dallas defense had their backs against the wall. So of the 244 total points against Dallas in the 11 games since Dak returned, 44 of them (18%) were a result of Dak turnovers. Therefore the average points against in the 11 games since Dak returned goes from 22 points/game to 18 points/game as a direct result of turnovers...so a 2 point differential from when Rush started.

That all said, you have to ask yourself: why did the defense play better under Rush than they did under Dak....or has the defense played the same all season but the Dak turnovers have inflated the points against?
 

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I agree but I would've never in a million years traded for McCaffery. I don't advise teams to do that.....but they are stacked elsewhere so I guess they could afford to.
I agree. Partly cause its a rb with injury and partly cause they seemed to have a good run game without him. But i also applaud teams working to get better.
 

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The 49ers gave up 3 number one draft picks and a number 3 pick to move up to draft Trey Lance. Not sure if he will or will not work out...but then they draft a guy LAST in the NFL draft and he is winning playoff games!!!!!!

Why is it unfair to expect Dallas...with the same opportunities in the draft and free agency as the 49ers....to be performing this well?

I said a long time ago that I understand that no team wins it every year. All I want from my football team is to be run like a REAL football operation. And we simply DO NOT. We have a very capable RB in Pollard on the bench...and we let/force Zeke to hobble around on 1 leg last year because he "beat" the owner at the negotiating table...and said owner was not about to see the RB he paid big bucks stand on the sideline and not EARN that paycheck. That's not football...that's personal. We let Amari Copper go in the offseason for peanuts when we could have afforded him....over some NON football related stuff...that's personal. We don't have a good grasp of who Dak is/isn't,,,so we don't sign him when he was cheap...franchise him a couple of years...and then are forced to "overpay"....complain about overpaying him at the press conference to announce his signing..that's not football...that's personal. We sign a football coach off the couch...who lied about watching every snap Dallas took over the last 2 years....but he makes the owner comfortable...that's not football...that's personal. We are so caught up in assigning #88 to WRs or assigning #94 to DEs...we simply have a CLOWN as the tone/culture setter in this organization.

The next wave of cultural seeds they have been planting the last 2 years....the cap room they are saving for Lamb, Parsons and Diggs. Again....STARS in the making...and I am not suggesting these are not great players....but they are telling the fans they can't improve the team NOW because of these players they have to sign down the road. These guys are no doubt great players...but they have not helped us win ANYTHING at this point...but yet we are preparing to sign them to big deals! Why? Because they are "stars"...and that is the culture in Dallas....we are not in the business of football...we are in the business of entertainment!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have said many times, until we hire a professional GM, this team is never going to the SUPER BOWL.
The NFL is too competitive to have a couple of wanna bees running the ship.
McClays drafts have kept us relevant.
But this culture does not bring out the best in our players.
 

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You ask questions that I answered in my post had you read through it. When Rush started 5 games, the Dallas defense gave up 16 points/game....but remember, so many claimed Rush played against crappy teams and gave up zero pick 6's and turned the ball over 3 times (3 int's vs. Philly).

Also keep in mind that Dak turnovers (fumble or int) led to the opposing team scoring 44 total points; the majority of those turnovers were in Dallas territory so the Dallas defense had their backs against the wall. So of the 244 total points against Dallas in the 11 games since Dak returned, 44 of them (18%) were a result of Dak turnovers. Therefore the average points against in the 11 games since Dak returned goes from 22 points/game to 18 points/game as a direct result of turnovers...so a 2 point differential from when Rush started.

That all said, you have to ask yourself: why did the defense play better under Rush than they did under Dak....or has the defense played the same all season but the Dak turnovers have inflated the points against?
No you didn't answer my question. You claim the Pick 6's are why the defense is giving up so many points correct? In the games where Dak didn't throw a pick 6 what did the defense do? You have stats for everything I know you have that stat.

So if Dak throws a pick it gives the defense a pass to give up 6? Lord have mercy. Don't worry about it don't answer my questions you are too deep into this to the point you making crap up. I'll answer it for you....

They gave up 23 points to the lowly Texans. Gave up 34 to the damn Jags.....28 to the Eagles...only 13 to the Titans but Dobbs looked very good. 20 to a backup 3rd string rookie QB in Washington. The defense has SUCKED. They've STUNK. Also have averaged less than 2 sacks a game in that span. Wake up.
 

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Here's what I noticed about Purdy in the 49er game:
1. He does not have to lift his team up or do everything himself. They protect him well, have a killer running game, and a stifling defense. Even their special teams are quite good.
2. His receivers are often wide open, thus requiring him only to make easy throws. That's not always. Sometimes he needs to thread the needle, and he can do it when he needs to. But he doesn't have to thread the needle on every throw.
3. If the opposing defense sells out to try to sack Purdy, the 49ers will burn their butts with a long running play or a screenpass.
4. The 49ers adapt extremely well to their opponents' game plan. Seattle was staying right with them, and even had a tiny lead at the half. The 9ers made halftime adjustments and then came out in the second half and clobbered them. They shut them out for most of the second half.

This is taking nothing away from Brock Purdy. He's done an excellent job, and has done everything they asked of him. The 49ers are simply showing what you need to do to help a quarterback to succeed, and that's to not put everything on his shoulders. We saw a modicum of this in 2014 when they finally gave Romo a great O-line and a superb running game. Suddenly he was having the best season of his career.

Purdy has every reason to be confident. He knows on many throws, he just has to get it there without threading a needle. He knows if he did screw up and throw a pick, his team has a defense that can bail him out. He knows on many plays he just has to hand it off, and the line and the running back will take care of the rest. He knows the other team won't shut down his running game. He doesn't have to make a superb, genius play on every play. Then on the occasional play where he actually does need to place the ball in a small window, where only his guy can get it and the defender can't, he has the skill to do that.

The 9ers are just a better organization through and through than the Cowboys. They know how to set up a system where a good quarterback can thrive. They're not going to make Purdy drop back into the shotgun every play and have to make a pass that threads the needle, all while having to dodge defenders because of a crap O-line. They do a great job switching it up, and not only that, the switching up is designed to take advantage of what the other team's defense has been doing. They use that judo concept of using your opponent's momentum against him.
Thank you for acknowledging a crap o-line. Zeke suffers their ineptness as well.
 

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I would say Purdy is better and has more skills than people think................. however, the bigger factor here is their culture and the coaching staff.
 

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IMO its the culture. We've changed coaches, scouts, personnel over the course of almost 3 decades but the results are the same.The common denominator in all of the changes we've made are the Joneses. Yes unfortunately we can't change ownership, but only can hope they change their viewpoints/philosophies. ( Fat chance that happens with jerry being 80+ years old, but im hopeful.)
 

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I wouldn't not be so stingy giving Purdy credit. He's a got a great pass...easy to catch and good placement and timing. He scrambled, kept his wits....went into a third read (possibly a dumpoff)....perfect pass to McCaffery for a good gain.

But yes...of course that's a better organization, sure!
 

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Thank you for acknowledging a crap o-line. Zeke suffers their ineptness as well.
Stop.

The OL, while not elite, isn't as bad as people claim. The Dak and Zeke crowd tend to overexaggerate how bad the OL is because they are desperate to find excuses for this declined play this year.

FWIW, they are the 4th best pass blocking OL according to Football Outsiders. Way more middling at run blocking, where they rank 17th.
 

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McCaffery vs. Zeke

Contract AAV: McCaffery $16M Zeke $15M
Contract Value: McCaffery $64M Zeke $90M
2022 cap hit: McCaffery (for SF) $690k Zeke $18.2M
2023-2025 cap hit: McCaffery $12M (for all 3 seasons w/no dead money) Zeke $16.7M/$14.3M/$17.1M ($11.8M dead money in 2023)


2022 Stats

Zeke 231 carries 876 yards 12 td's 17 catches 92 yards
McCaffery 244 carries 1,139 yards 8 td's 85 catches 741 yards 5 td's


Yeah, so broken down. LOL
McCaffery not making the Pro Bowl was just silly

1900 yards and 13 TDs! holy cow

He led ALL NFC Players (RBs and WRs) in yards from scrimmage, yet could not even make one of the 3 RB spots.
weird
 

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So Zeke's contract wasn't a mistake but you'd take on McCaffery's? Y'all are how this morning lol.
Who said Zeke's contract wasn't a mistake? Personally, I think they should have traded Zeke when he held out. As for McCaffery, SF gave up a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th in 2023 and a 5th in 2023.....for a top-rated dual-threat RB that will financially cost them $36.6M over 3-1/2 years and has shown a rebound from 2 injury-riddled seasons.
So based on contract comparisons between Zeke and McCaffery absolutely SF has the better end of the deal compared to Zeke....especially seeing as how SF could trade McCaffery if they wanted to without dead money and recoup some of the draft pick stock they gave up whereas Dallas either has to restructure Zeke's contract thereby being further stuck with him or cut him with nothing to show for it (look what they did with Cooper...a 5th round pick and ate $6M in dead cap).
 

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And yet….. the 49ers could only manage the beat Dallas by 6 points in last years playoffs

Cowboys fans are ridiculous. Don’t get me wrong, I think the best thing for this team is to get crapped on by the fans and the media like is happening now.

But some of the things I’ve heard I just have to chuckle to myself. Like a bad Thursday night game, let me know the next time there’s a quality football game played on Thursday night, it’ll be the first, defines a teams accomplishments all season long.

Or a poor performance in Washington where the players very obviously were simply playing to not get hurt and give Washington credit too. They played like they still had a shot at the playoffs. And hey maybe they did think that. Football players are dumb and their coach was fooled the week before.

Anyway, for all the talk of how great San Francisco is, I just question how much of it is luck with them as usual. I’ve always wished Dallas could play Seattle, the rams, cardinals. Or back in the day the nfc west was awful. Atlanta. New Orleans. The rams. Yuck. And of course this season SF gets the worst team in the playoffs for their wild card game, Seattle. The only good to great offenses SF has faced this year has torched them. They pummeled Carolina, Atlanta, Rams, saints and Arizona. Good for them
 
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