Is it Brock Purdy or the culture?

[Shane612]

Purdy looks like one of those players whos pre-draft scouting report doesn't match what you see.
However, as they say, much too soon to know what he is.

 

[USArmyVet]

No you didn't answer my question. You claim the Pick 6's are why the defense is giving up so many points correct? In the games where Dak didn't throw a pick 6 what did the defense do? You have stats for everything I know you have that stat.

So if Dak throws a pick it gives the defense a pass to give up 6? Lord have mercy. Don't worry about it don't answer my questions you are too deep into this to the point you making crap up. I'll answer it for you....

They gave up 23 points to the lowly Texans. Gave up 34 to the damn Jags.....28 to the Eagles...only 13 to the Titans but Dobbs looked very good. 20 to a backup 3rd string rookie QB in Washington. The defense has SUCKED. They've STUNK. Also have averaged less than 2 sacks a game in that span. Wake up.

Sorry but I have done my charity work in trying to explain things to you but your Dak love bias is apparent to the extent you can't comprehend posts so enjoy the day.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Who said Zeke's contract wasn't a mistake? Personally, I think they should have traded Zeke when he held out. As for McCaffery, SF gave up a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th in 2023 and a 5th in 2023.....for a top-rated dual-threat RB that will financially cost them $36.6M over 3-1/2 years and has shown a rebound from 2 injury-riddled seasons.
So based on contract comparisons between Zeke and McCaffery absolutely SF has the better end of the deal compared to Zeke....especially seeing as how SF could trade McCaffery if they wanted to without dead money and recoup some of the draft pick stock they gave up whereas Dallas either has to restructure Zeke's contract thereby being further stuck with him or cut him with nothing to show for it (look what they did with Cooper...a 5th round pick and ate $6M in dead cap).

Why are you comparing Zeke to McCaffery? I wouldn't want either of them or trade or spend money on either....

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Sorry but I have done my charity work in trying to explain things to you but your Dak love bias is apparent to the extent you can't comprehend posts so enjoy the day.

Now you've done your "charity" work lol. Please. You don't want to admit you are wrong and that's fine. And using my "Dak love" as a reason you won't do "charity work" is a cop out. I've said nothing positive about Dak in this discussion. I have not defended Dak. Why? Because he's irrelevant to this discussion. You are the one who keeps bringing him. Maybe you're the one with the "Dak love"? eh?

 

[USArmyVet]

Now you've done your "charity" work lol. Please. You don't want to admit you are wrong and that's fine. And using my "Dak love" as a reason you won't do "charity work" is a cop out. I've said nothing positive about Dak in this discussion. I have not defended Dak. Why? Because he's irrelevant to this discussion. You are the one who keeps bringing him. Maybe you're the one with the "Dak love"? eh?

Admit I am wrong about what? You claimed I said Dak's pick 6's were the cause of the defense giving up more points when I clearly referenced his pick 6's based on you asking about the last 5 games....then I provided stats about the points against as it relates to Dak's season turnovers and how the defense has played since Dak returned......the fact you read what you want is not my problem.

 

[Sydla]

And yet….. the 49ers could only manage the beat Dallas by 6 points in last years playoffs

Cowboys fans are ridiculous. Don’t get me wrong, I think the best thing for this team is to get crapped on by the fans and the media like is happening now.

But some of the things I’ve heard I just have to chuckle to myself. Like a bad Thursday night game, let me know the next time there’s a quality football game played on Thursday night, it’ll be the first, defines a teams accomplishments all season long.

Or a poor performance in Washington where the players very obviously were simply playing to not get hurt and give Washington credit too. They played like they still had a shot at the playoffs. And hey maybe they did think that. Football players are dumb and their coach was fooled the week before.

Anyway, for all the talk of how great San Francisco is, I just question how much of it is luck with them as usual. I’ve always wished Dallas could play Seattle, the rams, cardinals. Or back in the day the nfc west was awful. Atlanta. New Orleans. The rams. Yuck. And of course this season SF gets the worst team in the playoffs for their wild card game, Seattle. The only good to great offenses SF has faced this year has torched them. They pummeled Carolina, Atlanta, Rams, saints and Arizona. Good for them

Comparing last year's 49ers team to this year's is kind of silly.

The 49ers are a better team and franchise right now. Doesn't mean we couldn't pull an upset and beat them but the reality is that right now they are just better.

 

[Echospacing]

Purdy's getting away with it for now because he took over late in the season. After teams have a larger slice of film of him against varying coverages, he will have to adapt or his stats will decline. It's like Foles. Never did anything after the superbowl run and he also took over late season. Let's see Purdy with a true full season behind him. Right now SF is enjoying at least a capable qb that teams do not have enough on him to scheme him plus he has McCaffery, Samuel, Kittle, and that defense to back him up.

 

[Flamma]

In this last game against the Seahawks, Purdy reminded me a little of young Tony Romo.

I think the 49ers should trade Trey Lance to the Eagles. He'd be the perfect backup to Jalen Hurts.

 

[Verdict]

No doubt Brock Purdy has talent. But you have to love what they have built and cultivated in San Francisco. They SHOULD have won a Super Bowl with Jimmy G against the great Patrick Mahomes and that juggernaut in KC. You saw what the 49ers came into Dallas and did last year during the divisional round. And let's not forget they were without Deebo Samuel for a big chunk of the season. If CeeDee Lamb were to go down...would Dallas have been able to stay afloat? And I am not comparing CeeDee to Deebo....Deebo is a flat out beast.

I mean...I don't need to remind anyone that Jimmy G took them to the Super Bowl..the organization said "that was not good enough". They spent a top 5 pick on a QB...he was ineffective and got hurt...and they plug in Mr Irrelevant and don't skip a beat. I said it last year before our playoff game against the 49ers...the game against the 49ers last year was lost before it started...because the guy on their sidelines (kyle shanahann) gives them a decided advantage on gameday against the guy on our sidelines. Coaching (read culture) matters...especially in the postseason. They have that thing built RIGHT in San Fran.

Our culture is so fragile...I don't think we would even DARE draft a QB with Dak in the building. And this is not a bash Dak thread. It's about a REAL football organization versus an entitled entertainment conglomerate where football is one arm of Jerry's empire. I am smiling in admiration at the 49ers approach...for them to look at a guy that took them to a Super Bowl....decide he held them back....draft a guy top 5...then draft a guy in the 7th round because they thought that is what was best for their FOOTBALL team...with no concerns about how it would make there top 5 pick feel....get said 7th rounder ready to play.....IMPRESSIVE!!!!

I think you are looking at this situation too emotionally. I would compare this years San Fran team to Dak’s rookie year. The team was stacked. Romo got hurt and Dak took over and won a lot of games. I think Romo would have brought us a ring with that team, but that is another story.

Mr. Irrelevant is somewhat like Dak. He is being propped up by a superior cast around him. While there is nothing wrong with that, teams are starting What happens if that team gets behind against a strong defensive team, and the pressure is on the QB to win the game?

Dallas built the same type of team a few years ago, with FredBeard, Martin, And Tyron on the line. They could usually run at will. I would say that that team was not as strong on defense as this 9ers version, but our offense was far superior to what the 9ers have now.

 

[Hadenough]

Come on man don't just make up stuff lol. That's insane. First off, Cousins wasn't "let go". He LEFT the Commanders because they made a mistake in not signing him when they could've got him for cheaper.

In regards to them not "wanting him"....also untrue.

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/washington-wouldnt-trade-kirk-cousins-kyle-shanahan-jay-gruden-believes

I don't know exactly what we could have gotten, but I know it would have been more than just one No. 1 pick," Gruden said on "The Kevin Sheehan Show" on Saturday. "I would imagine we could have got their No. 1 for at least two years, and maybe a couple No. 2s, in my opinion. You're talking about a $100 million quarterback, you know. You're talking about the starting quarterback for your franchise for the next five or 10 years, and obviously that's what some teams were looking for."

So if that kind of package was on the table for Washington, why wasn't it accepted? Gruden believes Washington ownership didn't want to send Cousins to Shanahan, due to their prior relationship.

This was all publicized not sure why you resorted to making stuff up.

They used the franchise tage twice and he became a FA and left. Like I said they didn't want him. Otherwise they would of given him a contract. Washington got nothing in return for him. People thought he would go to SF because of Shanahan but it didn't happen even though Shanahan could of told Lynch bring him in.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Admit I am wrong about what? You claimed I said Dak's pick 6's were the cause of the defense giving up more points when I clearly referenced his pick 6's based on you asking about the last 5 games....then I provided stats about the points against as it relates to Dak's season turnovers and how the defense has played since Dak returned......the fact you read what you want is not my problem.

Now you're pushing goal posts.

 

[KJJ]

With the team and defense San Francisco has I think they could win with a number of QBs.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

They used the franchise tage twice and he became a FA and left. Like I said they didn't want him. Otherwise they would of given him a contract. Washington got nothing in return for him. People thought he would go to SF because of Shanahan but it didn't happen even though Shanahan could of told Lynch bring him in.

Insane that you are spreading misinformation......just wild.....

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...ith-cousins-with-four-of-them-not-guaranteed/

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the team’s offer that included more than $53 million guaranteed at signing covered the $23.94 million franchise tag in 2017 and the $28.72 million transition tag in 2018, and then some (by a little). The problem is that the team wanted four more non-guaranteed years after that.
They DID want him lol. Just bow out man its ok you didn't know this its not that big of a deal to where you have to lie.

 

[Blast From The Past]

I love San Frans blocking schemes. They are very good at it. Pudry could be a product of the offense being deployed by Shanahan. He seems to have some talent but the long term analysis is still out on him at this point. So far so good on him however.

 

[dmaschuck]

Neither it's the Script

 

[USArmyVet]

Now you're pushing goal posts.

LOL...and here comes moving the goal posts comments which, combined with the emotional investment, is a sign of a lost debate. Enjoy the day.

 

[Tabascocat]

SF isn’t a QB dependent team, many QB’s could drive that bus.

 

[conner01]

SMH. You forgot to mention the 49ers are loaded with weapons, veteran players proven in recent playoffs, a very good Oline, excellent receiving weapons, top 3 overall TE, excellent RBs and the #1 overall Defense. That's not including having one of the best coaching staffs in the league. Then you add their easy schedule and super weak division. They SHOULD BE IN THE PLAYOFFS AND DOING WELL since they are one of the top 3 overall loaded and experienced teams.

Totally different for the Cowboys. It's an unfair comparison and expectations. 49ers QBs would not be performing as well with what we've got Dak surrounded with. They are by far better loaded, managed and have recent playoffs experience.

Oh, by the way, the culture here in Dallas is pretty bad. It goes to the players' heads thanks to all of the media and hoopla.

It’s talent, scheme and a guy who’s talents perfectly match the scheme
Culture has very little to do with it

 

[Blackspider214]

The culture SF has built. They have already shown they can plug and play any of these QBs and have success. Alex Smith, Kap, Jimmy G and now Purdy. They have a system in place that works. Their defense is always top of the league, too. That helps. And they have weapons who can make things happen in space. Also have great coaching and a GM with a true vision. None of which we have.

Take Purdy outside of that system and you would see a serious drop off.

Same as when people believed Russell Wilson was a great QB until the system around him vanished and he was made the star.

 

[conner01]

SF isn’t a QB dependent team, many QB’s could drive that bus.

You have two elite playmakers in CMC and deebo and scheming to stop them and the WR’s create a real chalkenge
I wish we used pollard more like they use them, an extension of the passing game. Playmakers just need the ball in space