Is it Brock Purdy or the culture?

[TheMarathonContinues]

Can't disagree TMC a.k.a. "Nip". The media narrative would still be about their failure to win the big one.

Right. These guys are trying to play me. We know the deal. Its just fun to laugh at "America's Team". AS a fan I know what comes with the territory.

 

[IrishAnto]

I'm not. I'm just using common sense. If the Cowboys were willing to take a 5th for him....and I really wanted Cooper? Why wouldn't I trade a 4th? Now allegedly teams offered more than a 5th but didn't want to take on his salary. Now I could sit here and believe that teams wanted to lowball Jerry.......but that doesn't make sense to me. So because I want to lowball Jerry I miss out on a talent that can help my team? I don't buy that.

The narrative I do buy is these teams talk. These owners and GM's all talk. They're all friends. Teams didn't want to trade high compensation for Amari because of the same reason teams don't want to trade high compensation for Carson Wentz.

If it was just Amari I might agree with you, but the Cowboys have been on the wrong side of too many trades over the last few years.
As one example, when we swapped 1st round picks with the 49ers the year we took Frederick (2013), while we got a great player, we didn't get near the value of the 1st we swapped. That's happened quite a few times now. Jerry and son aren't that great at getting proper value.

 

[JustChip]

No doubt Brock Purdy has talent. But you have to love what they have built and cultivated in San Francisco. They SHOULD have won a Super Bowl with Jimmy G against the great Patrick Mahomes and that juggernaut in KC. You saw what the 49ers came into Dallas and did last year during the divisional round. And let's not forget they were without Deebo Samuel for a big chunk of the season. If CeeDee Lamb were to go down...would Dallas have been able to stay afloat? And I am not comparing CeeDee to Deebo....Deebo is a flat out beast.

I mean...I don't need to remind anyone that Jimmy G took them to the Super Bowl..the organization said "that was not good enough". They spent a top 5 pick on a QB...he was ineffective and got hurt...and they plug in Mr Irrelevant and don't skip a beat. I said it last year before our playoff game against the 49ers...the game against the 49ers last year was lost before it started...because the guy on their sidelines (kyle shanahann) gives them a decided advantage on gameday against the guy on our sidelines. Coaching (read culture) matters...especially in the postseason. They have that thing built RIGHT in San Fran.

Our culture is so fragile...I don't think we would even DARE draft a QB with Dak in the building. And this is not a bash Dak thread. It's about a REAL football organization versus an entitled entertainment conglomerate where football is one arm of Jerry's empire. I am smiling in admiration at the 49ers approach...for them to look at a guy that took them to a Super Bowl....decide he held them back....draft a guy top 5...then draft a guy in the 7th round because they thought that is what was best for their FOOTBALL team...with no concerns about how it would make there top 5 pick feel....get said 7th rounder ready to play.....IMPRESSIVE!!!!

I agree completely. But don’t discount John Lynch as GM.

Their success is partly due to the fact that ownership is just that. But they’re not alone in that. Virtually every other NFL team operates like that and not every one is successful. But the teams with ownership that’s out front and intimately involved with the football operations aren’t successful, at least on field as defined by playoff success.

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

...I don't think we would even DARE draft a QB with Dak in the building. And this is not a bash Dak thread. It's about a REAL football organization versus an entitled entertainment conglomerate where football is one arm of Jerry's empire. I am smiling in admiration at the 49ers approach...for them to look at a guy that took them to a Super Bowl....decide he held them back....draft a guy top 5...then draft a guy in the 7th round because they thought that is what was best for their FOOTBALL team...with no concerns about how it would make there top 5 pick feel....get said 7th rounder ready to play.....IMPRESSIVE!!!!

Look at the sum total of draft capital devoted to the important QB position by Dallas. Consider then the draft capital used for the RB position. Dallas has a relatively low investment in defense overall.

Football, from a management perspective, is a game of resource allocation. How do you allocate your limited resources? It's an "economic" challenge. There have been several things holding Dallas back, but this more than anything is the biggest problem.

San Fran is a really solid team. They are "built" the right way.

 

[USArmyVet]

Doesn't matter. I'd never trade for a broken down highest paid RB in the league. And they aren't just 10-1 because of McCaffery. Their defense has gotten better and been lights out. Unless you want to give McCaffery credit for that.

McCaffery vs. Zeke

Contract AAV: McCaffery $16M Zeke $15M
Contract Value: McCaffery $64M Zeke $90M
2022 cap hit: McCaffery (for SF) $690k Zeke $18.2M
2023-2025 cap hit: McCaffery $12M (for all 3 seasons w/no dead money) Zeke $16.7M/$14.3M/$17.1M ($11.8M dead money in 2023)


2022 Stats

Zeke 231 carries 876 yards 12 td's 17 catches 92 yards
McCaffery 244 carries 1,139 yards 8 td's 85 catches 741 yards 5 td's


Yeah, so broken down. LOL

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

SMH. You forgot to mention the 49ers are loaded with weapons, veteran players proven in recent playoffs, a very good Oline, excellent receiving weapons, top 3 overall TE, excellent RBs and the #1 overall Defense. That's not including having one of the best coaching staffs in the league. Then you add their easy schedule and super weak division. They SHOULD BE IN THE PLAYOFFS AND DOING WELL since they are one of the top 3 overall loaded and experienced teams.

Totally different for the Cowboys. It's an unfair comparison and expectations. 49ers QBs would not be performing as well with what we've got Dak surrounded with. They are by far better loaded, managed and have recent playoffs experience.

Oh, by the way, the culture here in Dallas is pretty bad. It goes to the players' heads thanks to all of the media and hoopla.

Um....that would probably be "the culture", don;t you think?

The culture having the very best players and not your "pets"....for starters.

 

[slick325]

Right. These guys are trying to play me. We know the deal. Its just fun to laugh at "America's Team". AS a fan I know what comes with the territory.

It would be great to see a SB win by this franchise. But even greater would be seeing the media figuring out a way to trash them the next season despite a SB win. Trust, they will find something.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I am not a Dak basher. But they would go to the SUper Bowl with Dak. I think they could make a Super Bowl run with almost ANYONE at QB. Because they have built it right.

See...Jerry never wanted to pay Dak what Dak is making...but since he did...Jerry will sit back and say hey Dak...you are making too much money for me to surround you with the pieces you need to be succesful....but that should be okay...because since you are making so much money....you have to fill in where this team is lacking. So when we run it on 1st and 2nd down and get nowhere...your big paycheck should allow you to convert 3rd and 7 all day against anybody and with average talent as your weapons. That is NOT football. That is an owner/cutlure setter trying to get even or proving a point...a point that Dak is not worth what we are paying him!

How do you know Jerry expects Dak to carry the team? I would be willing to make a small wager ...that by now he knows what Dak can and can;t do. Regardless of the obscene contract.

 

[USArmyVet]

What have they done the past 5 games? You have those stats? Trying to find them but can't seem to locate them.

The last 5 games saw an average of 27 points/game.....but when you take into account the fact that in the last 5 games Dak threw 3 pick 6 INT's (of his 8 total INT's during those 5 games), then that average actually drops down to 23 points/game.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I am 'foul'???? I will never understand why members that are in the pro-Dak camp always seem to get emotional when someone either criticizes Dak or applauds the play of another QB....I guess that is just an emotional thing.

I'm Pro Cowboys. If you can't understand why a Pro-Cowboy fan will get "emotional" when someone criticizes a Cowboys play or applauds another opposing teams player? Then you just simply don't get it.

 

[leeblair]

Or he just might be a superstar. Coaching makes a huge difference.

Definitely agree with you on that. Even more, I do recognize that a lot of Dak's faults came from the way that Garrett and Jerry misled him and coddled him.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

The last 5 games saw an average of 27 points/game.....but when you take into account the fact that in the last 5 games Dak threw 3 pick 6 INT's (of his 8 total INT's during those 5 games), then that average actually drops down to 23 points/game.

And you don't understand how going from giving up less than 20 points a game is different than giving up 23 points a game?

And for arguments sake.....let's take out the games Dak threw a pick 6 in. Surely the points per game the defense gave up has to be under 20 right?

 

[USArmyVet]

I'm Pro Cowboys. If you can't understand why a Pro-Cowboy fan will get "emotional" when someone criticizes a Cowboys play or applauds another opposing teams player? Then you just simply don't get it.

Read the thread title again and remember you voluntarily commented in this thread.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Definitely agree with you on that. Even more, I do recognize that a lot of Dak's faults came from the way that Garrett and Jerry misled him and coddled him.

I don't think either one coddled him. They went into 2018 with Allen Hurns as a #1 receiver lol. And in 2017......Garrett watched a defensive linemen with one good arm get 5 sacks on him as Chaz Green repeatedly got beat. I wouldn't call it coddling. I would call it "incompetence".

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Read the thread title again and remember you voluntarily commented in this thread.

The thread title is called "Bruck Purdy or culture". I answered the question. Its BOTH. Both have been very good. But you couldn't answer it without bringing up Dak. Its simple for me.

 

[Proof]

We drafted Dak when we had Romo so I'm sure we'll draft a QB with Dak still on the team. Infact, on one of the Cowboys podcasts, they said they were planning to draft the QB that played for Commodes last week but they took him before us.

for real lol. and jimmy didn’t take them to the sb he rode along with. of course they looked to improve there. he has like 1 td in their four playoff wins. one of the reasons they’ve been able to “build from within” is because they sucked enough to draft in the top ten multiple seasons

 

[Hadenough]

Kirk Cousins did lol....isn't that what Dak is? The "black Kirk Cousins" that y'all have been quoting all year?

Kirk Cousins didn't last. He was let go to the Vikings. And there was a point where people thought Cousins would go to the 49ers. They didn't want him!

 

[Proof]

They drafted Purdy the year after drafting Trey Lance with a top 5 pick! Do you think we would ever have the stones to do that?

because they saw he was even rawer than they thought and were preparing to lose jimmy. so they drafted a backup with the very last puck in the draft which is akin to signing a random backup like we did with grier. this a wild infatuation lol

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

If it was just Amari I might agree with you, but the Cowboys have been on the wrong side of too many trades over the last few years.
As one example, when we swapped 1st round picks with the 49ers the year we took Frederick (2013), while we got a great player, we didn't get near the value of the 1st we swapped. That's happened quite a few times now. Jerry and son aren't that great at getting proper value.

I don't have the chart in front of me but they had what? The 17th overall pick and traded for the 31st overall pick? Got a 3rd rounder......that value seems fair to me. In order to get compensation you have to have a quarterback that another team wants that they can trade up for. I don't remember a QB being worth trading up for. Either way, they got Fredericks and Terrance Williams for Eric Reid. We might not like how they got there but they got great players for that trade. Well I say great "loosely" when discussing T Will. He was solid early on though.

 

[Legendz82]

No doubt Brock Purdy has talent. But you have to love what they have built and cultivated in San Francisco. They SHOULD have won a Super Bowl with Jimmy G against the great Patrick Mahomes and that juggernaut in KC. You saw what the 49ers came into Dallas and did last year during the divisional round. And let's not forget they were without Deebo Samuel for a big chunk of the season. If CeeDee Lamb were to go down...would Dallas have been able to stay afloat? And I am not comparing CeeDee to Deebo....Deebo is a flat out beast.

I mean...I don't need to remind anyone that Jimmy G took them to the Super Bowl..the organization said "that was not good enough". They spent a top 5 pick on a QB...he was ineffective and got hurt...and they plug in Mr Irrelevant and don't skip a beat. I said it last year before our playoff game against the 49ers...the game against the 49ers last year was lost before it started...because the guy on their sidelines (kyle shanahann) gives them a decided advantage on gameday against the guy on our sidelines. Coaching (read culture) matters...especially in the postseason. They have that thing built RIGHT in San Fran.

Our culture is so fragile...I don't think we would even DARE draft a QB with Dak in the building. And this is not a bash Dak thread. It's about a REAL football organization versus an entitled entertainment conglomerate where football is one arm of Jerry's empire. I am smiling in admiration at the 49ers approach...for them to look at a guy that took them to a Super Bowl....decide he held them back....draft a guy top 5...then draft a guy in the 7th round because they thought that is what was best for their FOOTBALL team...with no concerns about how it would make there top 5 pick feel....get said 7th rounder ready to play.....IMPRESSIVE!!!!

I think it’s definitely both. SF is super talented and the line is doing great at protecting him. I don’t want to short change Purdy he has been incredible poised and super accurate. He should get just as much credit as the team.