Is it James Casey vs Martellus Bennett?

[dcfanatic]

Basically a TE lining up as a full back. If that is your whole point then he would still be #3 in rotation.

So he's behind Witten and Martellus, a 2nd round pick from 2008, and he doesn't get on the field unless one of them comes off, correct?

If the answer is yes.

Then why would it make sense to draft him in that slot when we have needs at other positions like Safety, OG, WR, OT, ILB and OLB?

 

[CF74]

So he's behind Witten and Martellus, a 2nd round pick from 2008, and he doesn't get on the field unless one of them comes off, correct?

If the answer is yes.

Then why would it make sense to draft him in that slot when we have needs at other positions like Safety, OG, WR, OT, ILB and OLB?

Why would it make sense to get rid of a proven player to bring in a situational h-back? Your man crush is noted but don't trade off the better player in the process.



Ridiculous...:clubbed:

 

[dcfanatic]

Garbage...

This was the scenario I played out...

I think it would be more like trade up a bit if Casey is near the #51 spot or take him if he's there and then move Bennett along with some other late round picks to get back into the second round for a S, WR, G, OLB, ILB.

Learn to read.

That's not trading Bennett for the pick that selects Casey because we probably wouldn't be able to get him with it.

Although you have Marty B valued as a top 15 pick, lol.

And this is the issue.

Swapping a #2 TE for a #1 H Back.

Read it slowly.

 

[CF74]

This was the scenario I played out...

I think it would be more like trade up a bit if Casey is near the #51 spot or take him if he's there and then move Bennett along with some other late round picks to get back into the second round for a S, WR, G, OLB, ILB.

Learn to read.

That's not trading Bennett for the pick that selects Casey because we probably wouldn't be able to get him with it.

Although you have Marty B valued as a top 15 pick, lol.

And this is the issue.

Swapping a #2 TE for a #1 H Back.

Read it slowly.

a #1 h-back

 

[Chocolate Lab]

1. So you are ok with drafting a guy with the #51 pick who does what Deon Anderson does while Martellus Bennett's role doesn't change at all?

Where did I say that?

First, I don't think he'll go that high. Second, my argument is simply that getting Casey doesn't mean getting rid of Bennett, or that they can't both play, or that a multitalented guy is somehow worse for a team than a one-dimensional guy.

2. You say it's not Casey vs Martellus. So then we are going to see them on the field together?

We could at times. What if they weren't at times?

3. I have no idea what you are talking about. I brought it up. I said earlier that in the goalline situation I would use a 'big body' in there at FB.

I must have skipped that post. I used the example of a guard at FB because a straight-ahead blocking galoot would be the exact opposite of Casey.

Now it seems like you're wanting to argue just to argue, and that's really not my thing. We get that you don't want Casey at 51. Hopefully you get my contention that if we did get him -- wherever that would be -- it wouldn't be a waste of a pick or the ruin of Martellus Bennett. And I didn't say he'd be my first choice, either.

 

[dcfanatic]

Why would it make sense to get rid of a proven player to bring in a situational h-back? Your man crush is noted but don't trade off the better player in the process.



Ridiculous...:clubbed:

I don't think you understand english.

Man crush on who? lol.

I am saying it's not worth picking Casey at the #51 spot unless Martellus Bennett is not on the team.

Then I said I would not draft him that high because we have other needs.

And in situational do you mean 'non starter' like the #2 TE Martellus Bennett? lol.

Someone explain it to him that it's Casey(FB/H Back) on the field, Marty B on the field or a third WR on the field.

 

[dcfanatic]

a #1 h-back

Is Chris Cooley laughing?

Was he laughing at the Pro Bowl last season?

 

[dmq]

He and Felix will run a nice wishbone. Not impressed.

 

[CF74]

We are now hearing that the Cowboys are in love with James Casey.

Link?

I am saying it's not worth trading for Casey at the #51 spot unless Martellus Bennett is not on the team.

Why? At this point in time Bennett is still the better player. Down grade one spot to fill another? That's like taking the cork out of the stern and sticking it in the bow, it's still a leaking hole. And then what happens if God forbid Witt.... I refuse to say it but I'd feel better knowing we have Bennett to step in vs Casey the rookie. We have 11 picks to play with. All this speculation sounds more like another smoke screen if it's even a rumor in the 1st place....

 

[CF74]

Is Chris Cooley laughing?

Was he laughing at the Pro Bowl last season?

Yeah like that loser is half of Witten. Puh..puh.please

 

[DallasGirl50]

I would not mind seeing Casey in a Cowboys uniform.

Whoever gets him is getting a very versatile player who has said he will play any position to make his team better...he's a good character guy....

After all the malcontents of these last few years it'd be nice to get a player like him.

 

[Shinywalrus]

lol.

So would you draft James Casey with the 2nd round pick?

If yes, why?

If no, why?

That's not really the question you asked. You wanted to know whether we're trying to bring him on to replace Bennett, which I think I gave my opinion to rather adequately - whether we draft him with a 2, 3, 4 or 5, if you think there's an inherent conflict with having Bennett on the roster, the draft position would play very little role in aggravating or ameliorating that conflict.

But specifically to your question, no. His talent level doesn't demand second round consideration. I think, much as he did with Stanback before him, Jerry's belief in our ability to transform above average athletes into marvelous football players far exceeds reality. The fact that they MAY well be targeting Casey as a second round pick, however, isn't necessarily indicative of Bennett being on the outs, as you insinuate, but as I put forth previously, reflective of a general philosophy dictating that the Cowboys move in a direction where the roster includes a larger number of versatile, multi-faceted "football players" - a group of which BOTH Casey and Bennett are assuredly members.

As an aside, I don't know why you so frequently insist on giving curt and dismissive responses to thoughtful posts - the number of posts you respond to with "lol" or " " or " " or " is actually pretty remarkable. How about a bit of respect?

 

[dcfanatic]

Link?



Why? At this point in time Bennett is still the better player. Down grade one spot to fill another? That's like taking the cork out of the stern and sticking it in the bow, it's still a leaking hole. And then what happens if God forbid Witt.... I refuse to say it but I'd feel better knowing we have Bennett to step in vs Casey the rookie. We have 11 picks to play with. All this speculation sounds more like another smoke screen if it's even a rumor in the 1st place....

Link? lol. I made it up...



http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfceast/0-9-120/Shhh--the-following-Cowboys-tidbit-is-confidential.html

So you want to draft a '3rd option', your words not mine, at the #51 spot as opposed to drafting a Safety, an ILB, an OLB, a OG or a WR.

I am happy you aren't running the show out at Valley Ranch.

 

[dcfanatic]

That's not really the question you asked. You wanted to know whether we're trying to bring him on to replace Bennett, which I think I gave my opinion to rather adequately - whether we draft him with a 2, 3, 4 or 5, if you think there's an inherent conflict with having Bennett on the roster, the draft position would play very little role in aggravating or ameliorating that conflict.

But specifically to your question, no. His talent level doesn't demand second round consideration. I think, much as he did with Stanback before him, Jerry's belief in our ability to transform above average athletes into marvelous football players far exceeds reality. The fact that they MAY well be targeting Casey as a second round pick, however, isn't necessarily indicative of Bennett being on the outs, as you insinuate, but as I put forth previously, reflective of a general philosophy dictating that the Cowboys move in a direction where the roster includes a larger number of versatile, multi-faceted "football players" - a group of which BOTH Casey and Bennett are assuredly members.

As an aside, I don't know why you so frequently insist on giving curt and dismissive responses to thoughtful posts - the number of posts you respond to with "lol" or " " or " " or " is actually pretty remarkable. How about a bit of respect?

It's a football message board, lol.

Relax. I give it back when I get it. You clearly don't know me well either because isn't one of mine.

 

[Stash]

Link? lol. I made it up...



http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfceast/0-9-120/Shhh--the-following-Cowboys-tidbit-is-confidential.html

So you want to draft a '3rd option', your words not mine, at the #51 spot as opposed to drafting a Safety, an ILB, an OLB, a OG or a WR.

I am happy you aren't running the show out at Valley Ranch.

dc, let it go man.

At least for now.

We can all get pissed off about it tomorrow if it does happen.

But until then, let's be more positive about our chances.

No sense complaining about something which in all likelihood won't happen.

If it does happen, I'll be right there with ya!

Let's talk about something more positive like who you do hope they draft.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

James Casey 4 life!

 

[CF74]

Link? lol. I made it up...



http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfceast/0-9-120/Shhh--the-following-Cowboys-tidbit-is-confidential.html

So you want to draft a '3rd option', your words not mine, at the #51 spot as opposed to drafting a Safety, an ILB, an OLB, a OG or a WR.

I am happy you aren't running the show out at Valley Ranch.

BSPN is your source and for the wildcat, brilliant. And when did I say I wanted to draft a 3rd option? You twist words now to? I don't want Casey, I'd rather go O-line personally....

 

[CATCH17]

Some of the members here just can't explain to me how both Bennett and Casey get their numbers in this offense next season based on their value.

One is a second year TE who has great potential.

One is a possible 2nd round pick.


The answers I got were weird.

Some guys think it's the CFL. Some don't care if a 2nd round pick winds up with 8 catches next season as long he gets to run the wildcat 8 times. Some think we are going to use the 1 WR set as our bread and butter. Some don't want Casey.

And Silverbear, said it was a valid question and something to ponder.

As far a backup Guard in at FB on the goaline?

Yeah. Please don't tell me you never heard of it.

Who cares?

Its about spreading the ball around this year.

Some guys have to be role players.

No matter how much Bennett shows he has to be for the most part a role player because of the guys we have on board.

If we draft another role player to make plays then im all for it.

If you can bring in a guy that just makes our offense even more complex and versatile than you do it.

Give us options on Sunday.

 

[J-DOG]

Here's a scouts view of Casey...
7. JAMES CASEY Rice 6-3 244 4.76 3-4
Pitched in the White Sox's minor-league system for three years before retiring from baseball in 2006. Played LB and DE initially before shifting to QB and later to TE and FB. "He's like Owen Daniels," one scout said. "He's unbelievable, that guy. Catches everything. Really heady. Gets open. Smart." Playing all over the formation, his two-season totals were 157 receptions for 1,914 yards (12.2) and 17 TDs. "He's the ultimate hybrid," another scout said. "He could be a better blocker, which is why he's not a pure tight end." Will be 25 in September. "Never be an in-line blocker," a third scout said. "Small. There are a lot of people who like him."

 

[jobberone]

Not sure I understand some comments here much less all the attitude.

First of all I don't agree with drafting Casey in the second even if we develop another second rounder. But I could make an argument for obtaining Casey.

He's not a typical TE. He's not a FB. He's a hybrid player. He's more of a Novacek or Dallas Clark than a Witten or even a Bennett. He's not a true FB either.

I do see a way to utilize a player like him though. And he would create uncertainty for the defense. Put him in the backfield with a RB. He could play the role of a true FB. You could allow the RB to motion out and leave Casey in as a blocker, runner or pass catcher. You can motion him into the backfield as a H-back. You can motion him into a WR spot.

I can see plays with Witten, Bennett and Casey at the same time. Bennett is not just a TE either. He can be used as a WR and a H-back. Same with Witten. Put Anderson in and generally he's going to be a blocker. With Casey they won't know where he's going or what the play is going to be. We motioned both Witten and Bennett into the backfield as an H-back on the same play at times. He would just add flexibility to create mismatches and confusion.

I'd rather work on the OL/front seven or pick up a DB with those top picks (and our picks are going to change IMO). But I have no problem with adding a playmaker like Casey (assuming Dallas thinks he's all that and he is) because the offense has failed this club for a decade plus. And Casey is certainly not just another WR, RB or FB.

Not to mention he's probably a ST demon.

Add in the fact he could be the LS and he's getting to be a no-brainer even in the second. That's assuming he is all that as a LS/ST/H-back/receiver/RB.

Heck, I now officially love the guy. Best not be wrong about him if he can't play or snap though.