Is it James Casey vs Martellus Bennett?

[SharutoX]

I like Bennett and his athleticism, I don't think we need to trade him. I like him and Witten combination.

 

[Stash]

Keep lapping up DCF's kool-aid. He's hooked you line and sinker. If you cannot figure out that he's just being fear mongerer than that's on you. No one, ABSOLUTELY no one has mentioned Bennett's job being on the line. NO ONE. Just b/c YOU and your ilk cannot figure out how to use a playmaker (or playmakers) does not make it impossible. OPEN up your mind to new ideas, you'll sleep better at night.


I think the Jones' and the Cowboys organization have a tad bit more insight in the value of this player.

How'd the boy wonder do with all the toys he had last year?

Not too well.

But let's give him another one to worry about...

I mean this is the team that's getting on the Wildcat bandwagon a year too late.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

I like Bennett and his athleticism, I don't think we need to trade him. I like him and Witten combination.

Exactly. That's all. End of this discussion.

Casey equals trashy waste.

 

[dcfanatic]

Keep lapping up DCF's kool-aid. He's hooked you line and sinker. If you cannot figure out that he's just being fear mongerer than that's on you. No one, ABSOLUTELY no one has mentioned Bennett's job being on the line. NO ONE. Just b/c YOU and your ilk cannot figure out how to use a playmaker (or playmakers) does not make it impossible. OPEN up your mind to new ideas, you'll sleep better at night.


I think the Jones' and the Cowboys organization have a tad bit more insight in the value of this player.

Then explain to us how Witten, Casey, Bennett, Roy and Austin all get there touches in the offense based on their value.

Then we will shut up.

Give us a prediction for their numbers next season.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

2 and 3 TEs are traditionally for short yardage run plays. But Cowboys could use that set and pass quite efficiently w/the players discussed.


The difference between an H-Back and FB is the FB is required to lead block more often in the running game, the H-Back would usually motion onto the line (the FB can do this too). But the H-Back is primarily a pass catching option, splitting out wide or into the slot (the FB can also do this).


But Bennett's value is not as an H-Back, but as a TE, on the line or split out wide. How many times have you seen Bennett lead block like a traditional FB? Or even catch a pass out of the backfield.


Cricket is not Casey. Casey will be used in far different ways. If anyone should be worried about their reps (in addition to Cricket) its Crayton (if he's retained) not Bennett. Dallas is supposed to become more run oriented, Benett's role will be increased, not decreased.

Dude, Garrett has enough on his plate already getting Felix,Roy,Austin,Witten,Crayton,Bennett,Barber and Choice in this offense..what makes you think he can fit Casey in??

 

[BAT]

How'd the boy wonder do with all the toys he had last year?

Not too well.

But let's give him another one to worry about...

I mean this is the team that's getting on the Wildcat bandwagon a year too late.

So the solution is to just stop trying to get better? Like it or not Garrett is the OC, and will be calling the plays. You can either accept it or not, it won't change anything, at least for another season.


I for one am glad that the Cowboys braintrust is trying to find ways to improve, to be more creative. Isn't that what so many were bawling about last season, the offense was too vanilla?



Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

So the solution is to just stop trying to get better? Like it or not Garrett is the OC, and will be calling the plays. You can either accept it or not, it won't change anything, at least for another season.


I for one am glad that the Cowboys braintrust is trying to find ways to improve, to be more creative. Isn't that what so many were bawling about last season, the offense was too vanilla?



Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

How about we have a full year of consitant offense before we go spending 2nd rounders that block other 2nd rounders from getting on the field and becoming huge wastes.

 

[BAT]

Then explain to us how Witten, Casey, Bennett, Roy and Austin all get there touches in the offense based on their value.

Then we will shut up.

Give us a prediction for their numbers next season.

Gawd, you one mahu boy. I don't have to shut you up, nor do I want to. Keep talking and making yourself look the fool.


If you don't like that Dallas likes this kid and thinks he could be a player for them that is one thing, but to whine and complain about something you completely fabricated is on you.


Suck em up.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Then explain to us how Witten, Casey, Bennett, Roy and Austin all get there touches in the offense based on their value.

Then we will shut up.

Give us a prediction for their numbers next season.

Wait, so now it would be better to put a backup guard at FB because he would have zero playmaking ability?

Parcells loved the all-around FB that was a threat carrying the ball... Maybe we should ask him how to do it.

This thread is weird. This is something you put up after the guy is drafted. You're *****ing about something that most likely won't even happen.

 

[Texan_Eph89]

Casey seems like a good dude. He's gone trough a lot in his life, and seems like a good locker room guy. My guess is that the Cowboys are looking at him as a FB. If we draft him, he'll replace cricket. That way, our FB would be more than a blocker.

 

[dcfanatic]

Wait, so now it would be better to put a backup guard at FB because he would have zero playmaking ability?

Parcells loved the all-around FB that was a threat carrying the ball... Maybe we should ask him how to do it.

This thread is weird. This is something you put up after the guy is drafted. You're *****ing about something that most likely won't even happen.

Some of the members here just can't explain to me how both Bennett and Casey get their numbers in this offense next season based on their value.

One is a second year TE who has great potential.

One is a possible 2nd round pick.

One is off the field if the other is on the field.

All I asked was a simple question.

Is is Casey vs Martellus?

The answers I got were weird.

Some guys think it's the CFL. Some don't care if a 2nd round pick winds up with 8 catches next season as long he gets to run the wildcat 8 times. Some think we are going to use the 1 WR set as our bread and butter. Some don't want Casey.

And Silverbear, said it was a valid question and something to ponder.

As far a backup Guard in at FB on the goaline?

Yeah. Please don't tell me you never heard of it.

 

[dcfanatic]

Casey seems like a good dude. He's gone trough a lot in his life, and seems like a good locker room guy. My guess is that the Cowboys are looking at him as a FB. If we draft him, he'll replace cricket. That way, our FB would be more than a blocker.

And you are ok with us spending a 2nd round pick on him?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Some of the members here just can't explain to me how both Bennett abd Casey get their numbers in this offense next season based on their value.

One is a second year TE who has great potential.

One is a possible 2nd round pick.

One is off the field if the other is on the field.

All I asked was a simple question.

Is is Casey vs Martellus?

The answers I got were weird.

Some guys think it's the CFL. Some don't care if a 2nd round pick winds up with 8 catches next season as long he gets to run the wildcat 8 times. Some think we are going to use the 1 WR set as our bread and butter. Some don't want Casey.

And Silverbear, said it was a valid question and something to ponder.

As far a backup Guard in at FB on the goaline?

Yeah. Please don't tell me you never heard of it.

Let me reply...

1. Who cares who "gets their numbers"? Only guys like TO care about that. As long as everyone is a team player, the more threats the better.

2. No, it's not Casey vs. Martellus. Even you said they don't even play the same position.

3. Of course I've heard of putting a one-dimensional blocker at FB -- I brought it up. But you're the one suggesting that's preferable to a multitalented threat because it wouldn't "take away from other guys' numbers".

We probably aren't drafting him anyway, for some of the reasons you bring up. He'd be a luxury for sure, but to suggest that he'd mean we had to get rid of one of our best young players makes no sense.

 

[Shinywalrus]

You can't even comprehend what I laid out.

I never said trade one for the other.

It's about who fits where in the offense.

Dumb is calling me a yank.

And so is thinking that Martellus Bennett is worth a top 15 pick in the draft, lol.

Anquan Boldin, Braylon Edwards and Jay Cutler can't fetch that much, but in your mind Bennett is worth that much.

Your derision toward the other poster is misplaced. Fundamentally, I think your definition of "worth" needs some revising - it takes two to make a market, and the fact that no one else is willing to pony up for a player doesn't mean he can't be worth that much to us.

Martellus Bennett is "worth" a 1st rounder...to us. Because we have the luxury of fielding the best tight end in the league, to mentor and train one of the 5 most athletic tight ends in the league, he's worth it to us. He's "worth" a 1st rounder to us because we have a signing bonus invested in him that could do some minor damage to our cap. He's "worth" it to us because we have already seen that our original estimates of his potential were correct. Most importantly, if everyone in the NFL knew about Martellus Bennett what they know from last season, and if Bennett were coming out this season, it would be a foregone conclusion that he would be drafted in the mid-late 1st round.

Now, obviously, for the reasons you described, it simply wouldn't work that way in practice for a one-year vet - no one is going to give us a 1st or 2nd for Tellus. Maybe a 2nd if we drop in a late round pick. But just because other teams wouldn't value him as highly doesn't mean we can't. That's the whole reason trades don't happen! Tellus is worth more to us than a 2nd, but there isn't a chance in hell we could get that from anyone.

But the original point stands, and I think we ARE interested in Casey. I just don't understand why the casualty has to be Bennett. A guy with long-snapping experience who can catch balls comes along, and we trade Bennett instead of cutting Louis-Phillipe? We don't think it's possible to rotate a FB/H-Back position between Bennett and a developing Casey?

I think you made the right point, but in service of the wrong argument! We ARE looking for football players, not because we want to get rid of people with "outside interests", but because we want to move more toward the system of position flexibility that so suited teams like New England, New York, and frankly, Miami. That's the whole reason we got Martellus in the first place - we wanted a guy who could line up at receiver or tight end or in the backfield. We signed Felix so we could have a guy who could line up and provide speed in the backfield, or out of a receiver position. We're looking at Pat White to provide flexibility. We're talking about (or were talking about before Sensabaugh) playing Scandrick in the Star.

Rather than being the bell tolling for Tellus' departure, isn't this just more of what it seems like Jerry has been cooking the last year or two? Jenkins, a KR and a corner - Felix, a HB, KR and potential receiver - Tellus, a multiple threat tight end. Barber and Felix in the backfield. Barber and Witten in the backfield. Barber and Tellus in the backfield, motioning wide.

Casey and Felix in the backfield, direct snap wildcat option.

All this "we want football players" nonsense tells me is that we're going the way of the Patriots: players who can do a bunch of things, and who are willing to do them. I don't see any conflict between Tellus and Casey.

 

[dcfanatic]

Your derision toward the other poster is misplaced. Fundamentally, I think your definition of "worth" needs some revising - it takes two to make a market, and the fact that no one else is willing to pony up for a player doesn't mean he can't be worth that much to us.

Martellus Bennett is "worth" a 1st rounder...to us. Because we have the luxury of fielding the best tight end in the league, to mentor and train one of the 5 most athletic tight ends in the league, he's worth it to us. He's "worth" a 1st rounder to us because we have a signing bonus invested in him that could do some minor damage to our cap. He's "worth" it to us because we have already seen that our original estimates of his potential were correct. Most importantly, if everyone in the NFL knew about Martellus Bennett what they know from last season, and if Bennett were coming out this season, it would be a foregone conclusion that he would be drafted in the mid-late 1st round.

Now, obviously, for the reasons you described, it simply wouldn't work that way in practice for a one-year vet - no one is going to give us a 1st or 2nd for Tellus. Maybe a 2nd if we drop in a late round pick. But just because other teams wouldn't value him as highly doesn't mean we can't. That's the whole reason trades don't happen! Tellus is worth more to us than a 2nd, but there isn't a chance in hell we could get that from anyone.

But the original point stands, and I think we ARE interested in Casey. I just don't understand why the casualty has to be Bennett. A guy with long-snapping experience who can catch balls comes along, and we trade Bennett instead of cutting Louis-Phillipe? We don't think it's possible to rotate a FB/H-Back position between Bennett and a developing Casey?

I think you made the right point, but in service of the wrong argument! We ARE looking for football players, not because we want to get rid of people with "outside interests", but because we want to move more toward the system of position flexibility that so suited teams like New England, New York, and frankly, Miami. That's the whole reason we got Martellus in the first place - we wanted a guy who could line up at receiver or tight end or in the backfield. We signed Felix so we could have a guy who could line up and provide speed in the backfield, or out of a receiver position. We're looking at Pat White to provide flexibility. We're talking about (or were talking about before Sensabaugh) playing Scandrick in the Star.

Rather than being the bell tolling for Tellus' departure, isn't this just more of what it seems like Jerry has been cooking the last year or two? Jenkins, a KR and a corner - Felix, a HB, KR and potential receiver - Tellus, a multiple threat tight end. Barber and Felix in the backfield. Barber and Witten in the backfield. Barber and Tellus in the backfield, motioning wide.

Casey and Felix in the backfield, direct snap wildcat option.

All this "we want football players" nonsense tells me is that we're going the way of the Patriots: players who can do a bunch of things, and who are willing to do them. I don't see any conflict between Tellus and Casey.

lol.

So would you draft James Casey with the 2nd round pick?

If yes, why?

If no, why?

 

[dcfanatic]

Let me reply...

1. Who cares who "gets their numbers"? Only guys like TO care about that. As long as everyone is a team player, the more threats the better.

2. No, it's not Casey vs. Martellus. Even you said they don't even play the same position.

3. Of course I've heard of putting a one-dimensional blocker at FB -- I brought it up. But you're the one suggesting that's preferable to a multitalented threat because it wouldn't "take away from other guys' numbers".

We probably aren't drafting him anyway, for some of the reasons you bring up. He'd be a luxury for sure, but to suggest that he'd mean we had to get rid of one of our best young players makes no sense.

1. So you are ok with drafting a guy with the #51 pick who does what Deon Anderson does while Martellus Bennett's role doesn't change at all?

2. You say it's not Casey vs Martellus. So then we are going to see them on the field together?

3. I have no idea what you are talking about. I brought it up. I said earlier that in the goalline situation I would use a 'big body' in there at FB.

 

[neosapien23]

I would trade Mary B for a 2nd round pick if someone like Ron Brace, Delmas, or Hervin was still there.

 

[CF74]

Explain the H-Back positon.

Tell us who's a better H Back option: Casey or Bennett?

Basically a TE lining up as a full back. If that is your whole point then he would still be #3 in rotation.

 

[jazzcat22]

WE HEAR a lot of crap every year around this time.....about this player or that player....
I doubt this happens. If casey is there, yeah, sure draft him if he's the BPA at the time. But don't trade again...

And Jerry already said [again, can't take any stock in it...could be "crap"...it is very unlikely to trade any players, for the fact of the salary cap implications for the 2010 season, if a new agreemnet is not reached.

 

[CF74]

One scenario that came up for me was that Martellus is trade bait.

Do you think the Cowboys are looking to find a way to replace Bennett with Casey in the Cowboys offense?

I never said trade one for the other.

Garbage...