Is it really all JJ's fault?

[kskboys]

OK, so being All-Pro doesn't matter. Our Eye Test is a better gauge of impact and talent.

I won't argue with that. LOL

Of course it matters. Now, who is playing next to these all pro's?

Any NFL team is only as good as its weakest positions.

I am not the original who said that, and I don't remember who it was, but it always turns out to be true.

 

[Steve007]

But KC is about winning. We’re not. We say we are but we don’t commit to it at all cost. I said this yesterday, Alex Smith was a really good QB that had just went 11-5 and they made the playoffs. But Reid and the GM knew he wasn’t good enough to win the whole thing. So they made a concerted effort to trade up from the 20’s to go get Pat. The rest is history.

Pat’s on everything because he’s a winner now.

Most people dont see that. KC had a good QB that they knew couldn't win a superbowl. The cowboys are in the same situation but dont see it.

 

[KMY_Amber]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.

K, dude, we have no starting LB's, no starting 3 techs, and no starting RB's on the roster. Think, man.

OK, so the roster is incomplete or not good enough, so then McCarthy and Quinn did all they could with this incomplete roster.

So, McCarthy and Quinn overachieved not underachieved all season, and it just caught up to them against a playoff team. So maybe we should fight to keep McCarthy and Quinn, because they've been dealt a bad hand all year.

It's not the coaching staff's fault, nor the player's faults (Dak is off the hook too, he doesn't even have a starting RB!), it's all Jerry's fault.

So should we stop blaming McCarthy, Quinn and Dak?

Hmmm...

 

[KMY_Amber]

Most people dont see that. KC had a good QB that they knew couldn't win a superbowl. The cowboys are in the same situation but dont see it.

So, Jerry's just a QB away from winning the Superbowl? The rest of this team has enough talent??

Hmmm... I don't know about that.

 

[Steve007]

OK, so being All-Pro doesn't matter. Our Eye Test is a better gauge of impact and talent.

I won't argue with that. LOL

Obviously being voted all pro doesn't guarantee success in the playoffs.

 

[KMY_Amber]

I can live w/ that.

The real fault lies w/ whomever decided to go into the season w/ this set of LB's and whomever decided to draft a TE in the 2nd. Not sure who it is.

And if that wasn't Quinn or McCarthy, maybe that absolves them from this nightmare...hec, maybe they deserve to stay, until we can field a complete team

 

[Steve007]

So, Jerry's just a QB away from winning the Superbowl? The rest of this team has enough talent??

Hmmm... I don't know about that.

This team has a QB stopping from getting to the superbowl. The bigger the game the more he chokes.

 

[Staubacher]

"The Associated Press released its NFL All-Pro teams on Friday morning, and nine players from the Dallas Cowboys landed on the two teams with CeeDee Lamb, DaRon Bland, Zack Martin and Brandon Aubrey earning first-team honors and Dak Prescott, Tyron Smith, Tyler Smith, Micah Parsons and Bryan Anger earning second-team."

So, if Jerry as GM is fielding a team of All-Pros, and he hired a "proven" defensive coordinator (Quinn) and a Superbowl-winning coach (McCarthy), in recent years, what is he doing so egregiously wrong?

Sure, he's the face of the franchise unlike other owners, but in some ways, that should be a good thing...syphoning unnecessary media attention away from the players.

And no, all of his decisions haven't panned out, but that's for every owner. Hec, many people take 1st-round QBs who become busts. Way more busts than success.

So, I ask the honest question (also asking myself because I crap all over Jerry Jones too when given the chance), what more can he do?

Yes, I think this team is overrated, but the pundits and others always tell me this team has one of the most talented rosters in the league, backed up by 9 All-Pro players, so I guess I'm wrong.

But if this team IS truly talented, and Jerry hired seasoned coaches to get this team over the top, can we really blame Jerry for all the team's woes as of late?

He went all in a a fraud QB

He didn't address glaring holes on defense

He hired a bad game strategist retread for HC

His recent drafts have stunk to high heaven

 

[kskboys]

OK, so the roster is incomplete or not good enough, so then McCarthy and Quinn did all they could with this incomplete roster.

So, McCarthy and Quinn overachieved not underachieved all season, and it just caught up to them against a playoff team. So maybe we should fight to keep McCarthy and Quinn, because they've been dealt a bad hand all year.

It's not the coaching staff's fault, nor the player's faults (Dak is off the hook too, he doesn't even have a starting RB!), it's all Jerry's fault.

So should we stop blaming McCarthy, Quinn and Dak?

Hmmm...

Hard to say. Was it partly Quinn's decision? I truly don't know.

I'm not putting all of it on either. If we go deeper than Jerry, not sure where the fault lies. However, what I do know is that Dak was terrible, the D was terrible, we dont' have a starting RB or any starting LB's, and our DLine got owned. How to fix that? Tough question. Can we fix it w/ Quinn/MM? Don't know. Who decided to go into the season w/ this roster? Answer that question and you'll have the true culprit.

 

[KMY_Amber]

This team has a QB stopping from getting to the superbowl. The bigger the game the more he chokes.

OK, so your assessment is that they're simply a QB away.

Many would argue that this team is always missing key pieces because the owner/GM still doesn't know how to build a proper team. For example, this year they missed having a FS, a 3-tech DT, a RB1 and any impactful LBs.

So, we're a QB plus some other players away. It's not just Dak choking, a BUNCH of players didn't show up yesterday.

Lots of teams have had great QBs and never won the Superbowl, and some teams won the Superbowl with simply average (or a little above) QB play.

But THIS Cowboys team is a QB away from righting all the wrongs. OK, then let's spend and trade all of our draft capital and get a top tier QB. I'd trade Parsons to set us up for a QB in the 2025 draft. Seriously, I'd consider it.

 

[sillycon]

The talent on this team is overrated save for a couple of guys. Because of that, they need the type of coaching that can cover their deficiencies/maximizing their strengths while also being able to scheme against their opponent's weaknesses. They haven't found that type of coaching so far... I also want to add that while I don't hate Dak, he isn't a guy that can transcend said deficiencies (and has his own deficiencies as well). The money spent to keep him could be used to infuse more talent onto this team instead. (and yes, I understand that QB's don't grow on trees...)

 

[TequilaCowboy]

"The Associated Press released its NFL All-Pro teams on Friday morning, and nine players from the Dallas Cowboys landed on the two teams with CeeDee Lamb, DaRon Bland, Zack Martin and Brandon Aubrey earning first-team honors and Dak Prescott, Tyron Smith, Tyler Smith, Micah Parsons and Bryan Anger earning second-team."

So, if Jerry as GM is fielding a team of All-Pros, and he hired a "proven" defensive coordinator (Quinn) and a Superbowl-winning coach (McCarthy), in recent years, what is he doing so egregiously wrong?

Sure, he's the face of the franchise unlike other owners, but in some ways, that should be a good thing...syphoning unnecessary media attention away from the players.

And no, all of his decisions haven't panned out, but that's for every owner. Hec, many people take 1st-round QBs who become busts. Way more busts than success.

So, I ask the honest question (also asking myself because I crap all over Jerry Jones too when given the chance), what more can he do?

Yes, I think this team is overrated, but the pundits and others always tell me this team has one of the most talented rosters in the league, backed up by 9 All-Pro players, so I guess I'm wrong.

But if this team IS truly talented, and Jerry hired seasoned coaches to get this team over the top, can we really blame Jerry for all the team's woes as of late?

When the common denominator in the past 29 years is Jerry... what do you think? Yeah, some great players have come through sometimes, so then it has been a coaching problem...guess who hires the coaches.? Puppet coaches to boot. So yes, Jerry is at fault.

 

[kskboys]

OK, so your assessment is that they're simply a QB away.

Many would argue that this team is always missing key pieces because the owner/GM still doesn't know how to build a proper team. For example, this year they missed having a FS, a 3-tech DT, a RB1 and any impactful LBs.

So, we're a QB plus some other players away. It's not just Dak choking, a BUNCH of players didn't show up yesterday.

Lots of teams have had great QBs and never won the Superbowl, and some teams won the Superbowl with simply average (or a little above) QB play.

But THIS Cowboys team is a QB away from righting all the wrongs. OK, then let's spend and trade all of our draft capital and get a top tier QB. I'd trade Parsons to set us up for a QB in the 2025 draft. Seriously, I'd consider it.

A QB doesn't fix our inability to stop the run. Need to spend major resources on that. Man, I sure hope Overshawn can play and stay healthy. If not, we might be starting completely over at LB.

 

[Rayman70]

Its Dan Quinn. We offered zero resistance. No adjustments.

 

[kskboys]

Its Dan Quinn. We offered zero resistance. No adjustments.

Who was hired by JJ.

 

[KMY_Amber]

When the common denominator in the past 29 years is Jerry... what do you think? Yeah, some great players have come through sometimes, so then it has been a coaching problem...guess who hires the coaches.? Puppet coaches to boot. So yes, Jerry is at fault.

So if Jerry's at fault, can we shift most of this blame to him, and leave Dak, McCarthy and Quinn alone? Maybe they're helpless.

 

[KMY_Amber]

The talent on this team is overrated save for a couple of guys. Because of that, they need the type of coaching that can cover their deficiencies/maximizing their strengths while also being able to scheme against their opponent's weaknesses. They haven't found that type of coaching so far... I also want to add that while I don't hate Dak, he isn't a guy that can transcend said deficiencies (and has his own deficiencies as well). The money spent to keep him could be used to infuse more talent onto this team instead. (and yes, I understand that QB's don't grow on trees...)

So maybe that talent is overrated, which I tend to agree with

If so, then I may be a tad less harsh on McCarthy and Quinn. No, they aren't the best coaches, but maybe both of their weaknesses rise to the surface with this overrated roster.

I personally think we need a better OC and DC, and more players, and a new owner, and maybe a new QB...and, oh, whatever. We ain't gettin' all of that this offseason so...

 

[1942willys]

As Harry Truman said
"The buck stops here."

With Jerry its
"As long as I am making the bucks I don't care"

 

[Steve007]

OK, so your assessment is that they're simply a QB away.

Many would argue that this team is always missing key pieces because the owner/GM still doesn't know how to build a proper team. For example, this year they missed having a FS, a 3-tech DT, a RB1 and any impactful LBs.

So, we're a QB plus some other players away. It's not just Dak choking, a BUNCH of players didn't show up yesterday.

Lots of teams have had great QBs and never won the Superbowl, and some teams won the Superbowl with simply average (or a little above) QB play.

But THIS Cowboys team is a QB away from righting all the wrongs. OK, then let's spend and trade all of our draft capital and get a top tier QB. I'd trade Parsons to set us up for a QB in the 2025 draft. Seriously, I'd consider it.

I'm not saying they are a QB away. They have a QB who can't win the big game. They need more, but it will be hard when Dak will be taking so much of the cap.

 

[Plankton]

He hired Parcells. Was he not a real HC?

To be fair, Jones hired Parcells to get a stadium built, not to change the culture of the team. And Jones chafed while Parcells was in Dallas, and couldn't stay out of the way. Jones wants to be able to be the primary face of the team, and be comfortable and not walk on eggshells. To achieve that end, he hires guys who will defer to his incessant need to be on the radio, have press conferences, sit in on game planning meetings, and address the team in the manner that coaches generally do. As the owner, he can certainly do all of that. For anyone to think that this operating model is not detrimental to a head coach having authority over his team is lunacy.

Parcells said it best about Jones - he has no football philosophy. Jones couldn't tell you what a Dallas Cowboy football player is, what they should look like, what characteristics they should have, etc. He will parrot what the last person who spoke to him said as far as what he thinks at any given moment. Jones is more concerned with his own comfort level, marketing himself and the team, and relevance in the media than he is with on-field success. Most GMs are concerned with the product on the field, and making it better. The Cowboys' GM is concerned with being on the radio twice a week, opening Victoria's Secret stores and hanging art in his stadium, booking concerts, wrestling events, and signing real estate/oil and gas deals around the country. Dealing with personnel and how a team properly fits together doesn't make the list.