Is Matt Jones getting cut on June 1st?

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Velvet Jones;2099363 said:
I guess where I come from is, to me, Jones is what he is. I don't see him turning it up a notch. So, to me again, we already have people deserving of a fourth receiver spot on the team. If you are saying he will be a Owens (i obviously don't think you are saying that but just an example) or a Glenn or even a Crayton, I will disagree. If you are saying he is a Stanback, I can sit the fence on that. An unknown because he was used wrong in Jacksonville. It sounds like an apology but it could be a truth. So I could see myself as being talked into that he could go above the depth chart over a Hurd or a Austin... maybe ;)




So Crayton had a bad year last year? I actually thought that he had a fairly good year. Crayton is what he is as well... a talented third receiver. A very consitant pass catcher who rarely drops balls, even in big games. He had a bad game at a very bad time. Not an excuse but it doesn't take his accomplishments away. I think if the choice is between the two on who deserves a chance to prove their critics wrong, Crayton has earned his right with blood for this team. Jones is just 6'6" and runs a 4.4.

Pretty much sums it up. I would put more stock into developing Stanbach over picking up Jones and delaying Stanbachs progress.
 

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Velvet Jones;2099363 said:
I guess where I come from is, to me, Jones is what he is. I don't see him turning it up a notch. So, to me again, we already have people deserving of a fourth receiver spot on the team. If you are saying he will be a Owens (i obviously don't think you are saying that but just an example) or a Glenn or even a Crayton, I will disagree. If you are saying he is a Stanback, I can sit the fence on that. An unknown because he was used wrong in Jacksonville. It sounds like an apology but it could be a truth. So I could see myself as being talked into that he could go above the depth chart over a Hurd or a Austin... maybe

Again, I don't think a 'healthy Terry Glenn' exists. It's time to move on and not be shackled by hoping he can contribute something.

I'm not advocating Jones as this team's savior or even stepping in as their #2. I'm saying he's a young player with good skills and some upside. He could provide a speed component that Crayton couldn't.

I just don't want a Super Bowl season to end because Glenn couldn't go or Owens got hurt and all we have is Caryton and questions.

Velvet Jones said:
So Crayton had a bad year last year? I actually thought that he had a fairly good year. Crayton is what he is as well... a talented third receiver. A very consitant pass catcher who rarely drops balls, even in big games. He had a bad game at a very bad time. Not an excuse but it doesn't take his accomplishments away. I think if the choice is between the two on who deserves a chance to prove their critics wrong, Crayton has earned his right with blood for this team. Jones is just 6'6" and runs a 4.4.

Not at all, Crayton had a great year overall, he just spit the bit at the worst time. Jones was mired in Del Rio's doghouse and didn't do much of anything last year, but at 25, I'm not ready to write him off because of it.

And again, it's not a choice between the two. Why not have both?
 

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I like Matt Jones as an option, especially if he is cheap. I am not with all those who say he has done nothing. Prior to last year's injury season, he has prgressed well considering the fact that he was making the transition from QB to WR. I can see the point many are making that if you sign Jones, then it impeeds the development of Stanbeck. This is reasonable so long as the expectation for Stanbeck is that he sees a decent amount of playing time this year. However, if he is not going to see good playing time, then there is relatively little development being impeeded and so, it makes sense to go out and sign a guy who can play for you at WR this year. Doesn't have to be Jones but I think it does have to be somebody who can be on the field and give something to the offense vertically. JMO.
 

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stasheroo;2099382 said:
I'm not advocating Jones as this team's savior or even stepping in as their #2. I'm saying he's a young player with good skills and some upside. He could provide a speed component that Crayton couldn't.

I think people use a 6th or 7th on a person that may or may not be a diamond in the rough. Although Jones may contribute, I think it is safe to say he is no longer thought of as a diamond in the rough. His upside peaks at being a #2 receiver, but I think even that is a stretch.

stasheroo;2099382 said:
I just don't want a Super Bowl season to end because Glenn couldn't go or Owens got hurt and all we have is Caryton and questions.

I do agree that chances are, Glenn will go down and Owens will not last an entire 16 games. I just don't think Jones is that hump to bridge us to a Super Bowl should Owens and Glenn go down.

stasheroo;2099382 said:
Not at all, Crayton had a great year overall, he just spit the bit at the worst time. Jones was mired in Del Rio's doghouse and didn't do much of anything last year, but at 25, I'm not ready to write him off because of it.

And again, it's not a choice between the two. Why not have both?

I was just going off of you comparing the twos last year. If it costs us nothing then I wouldn't care about seeing what he has. To you, a 6th or 7th rd pick is nothing (or little enough to gamble away). To me, it is too much for what we already have. A very tiny fence dividing the two beliefs, but a fence non the less.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;2099456 said:
I like Matt Jones as an option, especially if he is cheap. I am not with all those who say he has done nothing. Prior to last year's injury season, he has prgressed well considering the fact that he was making the transition from QB to WR.

He was in Del Rio's doghouse last season as well. Actually being deactivated for 3 games. The prior season his numbers had increased and it appeared that he was making strides as a receiver.

ABQCOWBOY said:
I can see the point many are making that if you sign Jones, then it impeeds the development of Stanbeck. This is reasonable so long as the expectation for Stanbeck is that he sees a decent amount of playing time this year. However, if he is not going to see good playing time, then there is relatively little development being impeeded and so, it makes sense to go out and sign a guy who can play for you at WR this year. Doesn't have to be Jones but I think it does have to be somebody who can be on the field and give something to the offense vertically. JMO.

I don't see signing Jones as a detriment to Stanback's development. In fact, it would give Stanback more time, rather than being forced into the fire this season. If Stanback's ability warrants playing time, then by all means give it to him. But I don't think trading for Jones would stand in his way.

I think it more likely gives the team more options.
 

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I don't see the harm in offering a 6th or 7th. I mean, if you think the guy can contribute (and lets face it, that's what none of us know), then why allow him to get cut and face the waiver wire. I mean, no matter how you look at it, a guy who can post 40 catches, is 6-6 with 4.4 speed and has three seasons in the NFL under his belt is going to be worth any prospect you can draft in the 09 draft. That's kinda how I see it.
 

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dbair1967;2099197 said:
Jimmy Smith?

Reggie Williams caught 10 tds and averaged 16/6 yds per catch last yr didnt he, and had 52 cacthes the yr before that? Ernest Wilford has done ok there with decent numbers (better than Jones) and before you bash him, he's one of the reasons Jones hardly sees the field

even Dennis Northcutt caught more passes than Jones did last yr Stash (20 more in fact)

David

Didnt Jimmy Smith retire like 3 years ago?Do u realize that Jacksonville has has terrible QB play,Leftwich,gerrard,and GREY,the running game keeps them going.Matt Jones doesnt wanna play there and will be picked up and will be on the field performing for a team with a good qb hopefully its us.
 

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juckie;2099511 said:
Didnt Jimmy Smith retire like 3 years ago?Do u realize that Jacksonville has has terrible QB play,Leftwich,gerrard,and GREY,the running game keeps them going.Matt Jones doesnt wanna play there and will be picked up and will be on the field performing for a team with a good qb hopefully its us.

I would NOT (or any other knowledgable fan) classify David Garrard's first full season as the starter as having terrible QB play. If you are referring to the years prior to last season, maybe so....but certainly not last year. 18 TDs and 3 INTs in 12 games is very good QB play.
 

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Velvet Jones;2099469 said:
I think people use a 6th or 7th on a person that may or may not be a diamond in the rough. Although Jones may contribute, I think it is safe to say he is no longer thought of as a diamond in the rough. His upside peaks at being a #2 receiver, but I think even that is a stretch.

Even if he maxed-out as a #3 receiver, I think that would be worth a 6th or 7th round pick.


Velvet Jones said:
I do agree that chances are, Glenn will go down and Owens will not last an entire 16 games. I just don't think Jones is that hump to bridge us to a Super Bowl should Owens and Glenn go down.

He wouldn't 'save us', but the team would have more options with him than without him. Especially from a speed standpoint.

Velvet Jones said:
I was just going off of you comparing the twos last year. If it costs us nothing then I wouldn't care about seeing what he has. To you, a 6th or 7th rd pick is nothing (or little enough to gamble away). To me, it is too much for what we already have. A very tiny fence dividing the two beliefs, but a fence non the less.

Fair enough. Again, it's worth a late round pick to me.
 

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I'm still trying to figure out if there is anything out there that someone can point to to prove Jones could possibly be cut. So far all I've seen is rumors or "he is in Del Rio's doghouse" and the like.
 

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big dog cowboy;2099563 said:
I'm still trying to figure out if there is anything out there that someone can point to to prove Jones could possibly be cut. So far all I've seen is rumors or "he is in Del Rio's doghouse" and the like.

I've read articles that said he was on the trade block during this year's draft.

I've also seen it said that things are so bad between the two that Del Rio may not cut him until the last cutdown of the preseason after all the jobs are filled, so take that for what its' worth.

If things are that bad, I think Jacksonville would trade him for just about anything offered.
 

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Here's something I found from last year.

http://mvn.com/nfl-jaguars/2007/09/26/jaguars-vs-matt-jones-take-it-like-a-man/

During training camp, new Wide Receivers coach, Todd Monken, challenged all of the receivers on the roster to step up their game. He made it clear that nobody was impressive enough to warrant a roster spot lock, and that there would be an open competition for the starting positions. He openly challenged Matt Jones during practices, spending an enormous amount of time coaching the former quarterback one-on-one to try to impress upon him the fact that he was not putting enough effort into certain drills. On one blocking drill in particular, Monken was so disgusted by the lack of effort that he saw from Matt Jones that he made him do it again in its entirety.

When Matt was finally deactivated for the game in Denver, it was the end of a monumental effort by the coaching staff to try to light a fire under the laid back receiver to try to clarify for him that he is a professional, and that there are certain expectations attached to that label.



When his head coach, Jack Del Rio, was asked about the perception that Matt does not give enough effort, his coach was candid enough to admit that Matt’s body language, and other mannerisms in games had become a concern, and that there was clearly a lack of effort that would require the two of them to meet and discuss options. It was obvious that whatever transpired between the head coach and the player did not result in any improvement during the week leading up to the Denver game, as Jones was limited by a phantom heel injury that suddenly appeared after his coach had called him out, mildly so, in the local press.


His agent went to the media and demanded an apology from Jack Del Rio, also targeting James “Shack Harris, Vice President of Player Personnel for the Jaguars. He talked about trying to find a way to get his client on a team where the offense better suited his talents because he was being squandered by the Jaguars, in their opinion.
 

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Thanks for the info.

Definitely not a good sitaution for either side in Jacksonville.

I'm hoping a change of scenery will do him good.
 

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stasheroo;2099574 said:
I've read articles that said he was on the trade block during this year's draft.

... and no takers?!? Double-u, tee, ***?!?!? Did no one realize that the guy is 6'6"... and runs a 4.4!?! Championship!
 

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stasheroo;2099672 said:
Thanks for the info.

Definitely not a good sitaution for either side in Jacksonville.

I'm hoping a change of scenery will do him good.

Normally I'd be all for a move like this, trading a low pick for a former first rounder, but I don't know about Matt Jones. Even when he was at Arkansas a big concern everybody had seemed to be his attitude, it was like he didn't care. Before football games when everybody was up and excited, he'd sit on the bench with a towel over his head, but before and during basketball games he was really passionate and fired up... perhaps his heart just isn't in football? One of the local sports shows that plays on ESPN radio was mentioning that just the other day.

I don't know, maybe a change of city and a different coach, a coach who is more laid back like himself could help. I have no idea to be honest, but he is in a bad situation if the Coach is just dragging him along because of a grudge or anything like that.
 

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Velvet Jones;2099675 said:
... and no takers?!? Double-u, tee, ***?!?!? Did no one realize that the guy is 6'6"... and runs a 4.4!?! Championship!

Now that's just mean!
 

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adamknite;2099680 said:
Normally I'd be all for a move like this, trading a low pick for a former first rounder, but I don't know about Matt Jones. Even when he was at Arkansas a big concern everybody had seemed to be his attitude, it was like he didn't care. Before football games when everybody was up and excited, he'd sit on the bench with a towel over his head, but before and during basketball games he was really passionate and fired up... perhaps his heart just isn't in football? One of the local sports shows that plays on ESPN radio was mentioning that just the other day.

I don't know, maybe a change of city and a different coach, a coach who is more laid back like himself could help. I have no idea to be honest, but he is in a bad situation if the Coach is just dragging him along because of a grudge or something like that.

Yeah, it's definitely not a good situation in Jacksonville.

But again, what receiver has had a good situation there lately?

In a worst case scenario, the team would give up a 6th or 7th round draft choice for him, not like what they see, and cut him before the season starts.

That's about as bad as it could get.

But the best case is that they get a guy who rebounds after a bad situation and thrives under a quality receivers coach and superior talent and scheme.

Nobody had a problem when they drafted Erik Walden - a guy who would likely have gone undrafted - in the 6th round. And he's no guarantee to even make the team.

Personally, I think Matt Jones is worth a comparable risk.
 

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