IS QB a failure if they never win a SB?

[Fastpitch Dad]

No. A ton of excellent QBs never won a ring. Especially in days before Free agency started. I always thought Archie Manning was way better than all the teams he played for. Dandy Don Meredith deserved better. The old Baltimore Colts QB Bert Jones was really good but never had playoff success.

And a lot of average to above avg QBs have rings because they were part of an outstanding team. Guys like Phil Simms, Jeff Hostetler, Jim Plunkett, Mark Rypien, Joe Thiessman, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson and more recently Nick Foles were not anything more than above average QBs IMO.

Winning a SB is certainly a great accomplishment for any QB. But it’s not everything.

I would add Bradshaw to the list of average QBs to win Super Bowls. If wasn't for amazing catches, Harris, Bleier, and that HOF defense, Bradshaw doesn't win a thing. Most carried QB ever in my opinion.

 

[Streifenkarl]

I think any professional sports career is a failure if you never won the title. That doesn't mean that these countless of players without a ring didn't have successful careers. They could have made a lot of money and played many great games/matches/competitions, but they have never reached the pinnacle of their sports without winning at least one title.

That is my opinion at least. I have never played professional sports (as in it's your main job) but I have done competitive sports all my life and I would have considered it a failure if I have never won a state title or be part of the winning team at least once. I did it to win. Otherwise it would have just been a hobby. Right now sports is a hobby for me. I do alot of it but just for fun.

And yes, I do think the hall of fames in all sports are ridiculously overcrowded and randomly accessible. Only true champions should be allowed in. Racked up super stats all your life but never won anything. You don't get it.

But as I said, just imo.

 

[Section446]

If he has as much talent around him as Dak has had his whole career and doesn't win a SB, yeah.

 

[visionary]

IM asking what people think, not what those qbs think.

Dak fan boys know he’s never getting to (let alone winning) a SB so you’ll never get them to admit not getting to one is failure

the fact is that that’s what great QBs do

If a team invests a tip 10 pick or pays the QB top 5-8 money then unless he gets the team to a SB or a couple if CCGs (at least) then he’s a huge disappointment

IMO both Romo and Dak fall into this category

 

[terra]

This is obviously pointed at the morons who tout the win loss record of any QB.

 

[Einstein]

No... Archie Manning is a prime example of great QB on a terrible team

 

[Cowboys4lifeGR]

Ask Dan Marino and Jim Kelly

And Dan Fouts I believe...

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I always laugh when people want to bring up the few teams that had historically GREAT defenses to use as their example why you dont need a great QB...lol

oh come on...as everyone said, its a team game and combination of offense/defense wins.

so I guess Jarred Goff playing in the superbowl was due to historically great Defense?
Cam newton?
or is russell wilson then over rated because since the historically great defense and running game he has done squat
Flacco in 2012 superbowl...didn't have a historically great defense. and Kapernick was on the other side.
Eli manning? he has two...historically great defense? I don't see it.
rich gannon?
Kerry collins.

you took a sample of one or two and generalized.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I think any professional sports career is a failure if you never won the title. That doesn't mean that these countless of players without a ring didn't have successful careers. They could have made a lot of money and played many great games/matches/competitions, but they have never reached the pinnacle of their sports without winning at least one title.

That is my opinion at least. I have never played professional sports (as in it's your main job) but I have done competitive sports all my life and I would have considered it a failure if I have never won a state title or be part of the winning team at least once. I did it to win. Otherwise it would have just been a hobby. Right now sports is a hobby for me. I do alot of it but just for fun.

And yes, I do think the hall of fames in all sports are ridiculously overcrowded and randomly accessible. Only true champions should be allowed in. Racked up super stats all your life but never won anything. You don't get it.

But as I said, just imo.

Failure? or not a champion?

 

[Diehardblues]

Ask Dan Marino and Jim Kelly

Right…

This era of fans place more individual importance on defining greatness as winning Super Bowls.

I’d like to think this is driven by the media. And probably social media and trolling has punctuated this agenda.

But there’s always been great individual talent on teams that didn’t win championships.

Ultimately the Hall of Fame is the measurement of greatness .

 

[Vtwin]

I don't think so, especially the guys who played before free agency. If you got drafted by a bad organization, good luck.

Even now, it takes a team. Put prime Tom Brady on the winless 2017 Browns and he's not sniffing a SB, although they probably wouldn't be winless.

I'd go as far to say, if Brady had been drafted by and played his entire career with the Browns he wouldn't have got a ring.

That's not a knock on Brady. It takes more than a great QB to win a championship.

 

[Doomsday101]

So if a QB plays for a team ten or so seasons, was a high draft pick and never wins a SB, does that mean he was a Bust?

No

 

[Streifenkarl]

Failure? or not a champion?

I guess that depends on the goals of the individual. But all sports people I know are in it to win it. At least once.

Maybe Dak is satisfied with his big contract, dunno.

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

Not a bust, but a disappointment. I loved Romo. I'd never call him a bust regardless of his draft status. Even if we'd taken him with a high pick, or any pick at all, he wouldn't be a bust. But I'd be lying if I said I'm not disappointed we didn't win a superbowl with him.

So was he a disappointment or was not winning a Super Bowl the disappointment?

 

[Diehardblues]

I always laugh when people want to bring up the few teams that had historically GREAT defenses to use as their example why you dont need a great QB...lol

But there’s been many champions and SB participants who had good enough QB’s( and I won’t include HOFamers) to build around like Billy Kilmer, Phil Simms, Craig Morton, Boomer Easion , Jim Plunkett, Joe Theisman, Ron Jaworski, Daryl Lamonica, Earl Morral .

That’s just off the top of my head. There’s many more. And that doesn’t include all of the HOFamers who didn’t win a championship like Marino, Kelly, Moon , Fouts and Tarkenton.

 

[Diehardblues]

In general, yes.
Cue in Marino, Dandy Don ect. references. I don't care, lads, as I stated, QBs in general are considered busts if they don't win a championship.
Tha is the way the world goes round.

Yep

This a new ridiculous argument in this era of fans. We didn’t used to ever consider great individual talents a failure or bust if they didn’t play on a championship caliber team.

This is being driven by the type of media and social media we have today.

 

[Diehardblues]

The problem with Joe Theismann was he was a flash in the pan. He was not able to maintain any consistency. He was good in 82 and 83 but he became very mistake prone by 84 and had the terrible leg break which pretty much ended his career.

I think the bigger point which defutes the OP message is there are countless QB’s like Theisman in NFL history who were good enough to build a championship caliber team around.

 

[Diehardblues]

No. A ton of excellent QBs never won a ring. Especially in days before Free agency started. I always thought Archie Manning was way better than all the teams he played for. Dandy Don Meredith deserved better. The old Baltimore Colts QB Bert Jones was really good but never had playoff success.

And a lot of average to above avg QBs have rings because they were part of an outstanding team. Guys like Phil Simms, Jeff Hostetler, Jim Plunkett, Mark Rypien, Joe Thiessman, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson and more recently Nick Foles were not anything more than above average QBs IMO.

Winning a SB is certainly a great accomplishment for any QB. But it’s not everything.

Yes, all good examples of QB’s who were good enough to build championship caliber teams around. I provided a list in another post as well. There’s many more like I didn’t even list in Jones and Merideth.

Too many of this era of fans struggle identifying great talent without teams winning championships . I think maybe this eras media and social media are at least partially to blame as so much hype is placed on winning championships.

 

[ondaedg]

Theisman played in 2 super Bowls and If I remember correctly led his team to the nfl scoring record for most points in a season. The guy that led his offense to more points than any team in the history of the nfl at that time was avg?

Dilfer and Johnson.... they had decent defenses. Comparing anything from the 90s and before to today is just foolish imo.

Dilfer had a decent defense? Arguably the greatest D in history.

 

[Diehardblues]

Having a great or Elite QB certainly enhances and makes it easier to build a championship caliber team around.

And in Cap era when you have to pay franchise QB about the same as Elite QB’s having one of these Elites is an advantage in remaining a championship caliber and consistent contender.

Unfortunately there’s not enough Mahomes, Brady’s, Rodgers and Allen’s type to go around . So you try and find as close to as Elite as you can and go from there.

But winning championships doesn’t necessarily define greatness. There are many great talents that aren’t on championship winning teams .