IS QB a failure if they never win a SB?

[rnr_honeybadger]

No, there are plenty of people who never win the SB in the NFL. I suppose we need to consider the body of work by a QB as well as the length of his career. For instance I wouldn't consider Dak Prescott to be a bust or a failure. 7 year career with some decent seasons thrown in and some reasonable stats. Lack of playoff success and SB would be a knock against him being a HoF-er, but a failure over all? No.

 

[Diehardblues]

So was he a disappointment or was not winning a Super Bowl the disappointment?

No not at all. As a matter of fact Romo was an over achiever from hence he came as an Undrafted QB. One of the best ever QB’s undrafted.

We can say it was disappointing he didn’t win a championship but it doesn’t translate to his career was a disappointment. Not sure how this gets misconstrued.

 

[plasticman]

So if a QB plays for a team ten or so seasons, was a high draft pick and never wins a SB, does that mean he was a Bust?

What does the bank account say?

 

[Diehardblues]

I guess that depends on the goals of the individual. But all sports people I know are in it to win it. At least once.

Maybe Dak is satisfied with his big contract, dunno.

I think this is a gross misconception by fans . Winning is the ultimate goal but it doesn’t define greatness nor accomplishments .

When you consider only about 10% of all Amateur or College athletes become professional then I’d argue it’s a measurement of success to just make it to this level .

Much like at the College level just receiving a scholarship out of high school is quite of an achievement. Very small percentage do.

And most don’t ever have the opportunity to play on a championship team. I played some sports growing up. Some won championships . But didn’t ever consider it a personal failure not to win one . We usually were just beaten by better teams or individuals.

Somewhere along the way in sports this era many fans have lost the competitive nature and spirit of sum sports. Meaning when you keep score there will always been one opponent or side which comes up short. But it doesn’t mean they are losers. They just didn’t win.

 

[Scotman]

So was he a disappointment or was not winning a Super Bowl the disappointment?

Jeez...fair question. Way more disappointed for not winning a Superbowl. But, I guess there's a hint of disappointment in him, too. Although I'm not sure I can justify that feeling.

 

[Vandyr]

No and Dak will never be a bust

He's already a bust.

 

[Diehardblues]

He's already a bust.

Not from being a 4th round draft pick who was meant to just be a backup to a franchise QB and second big contract.

Some fans perspective is totally out of whack this era.

A bust for example would be Manziel or Lynch. Both 1st round Picks who never got a second contract.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

He's already a bust.

Limited QB, yes. Not a franchise QB, yes. A bust? Not so much. Think a lot of the knock against Dak is the idea that a guy who really is a game manager is touted as a franchise QB when it clear that he can't do what a franchise QB is asked.

 

[Captain-Crash]

no just losers

 

[Vandyr]

Limited QB, yes. Not a franchise QB, yes. A bust? Not so much. Think a lot of the knock against Dak is the idea that a guy who really is a game manager is touted as a franchise QB when it clear that he can't do what a franchise QB is asked.

Dak is a backup level QB. He won the lottery getting drafted by Dallas - in any other team he'd already have been traded and would be a backup somewhere.

 

[Diehardblues]

Limited QB, yes. Not a franchise QB, yes. A bust? Not so much. Think a lot of the knock against Dak is the idea that a guy who really is a game manager is touted as a franchise QB when it clear that he can't do what a franchise QB is asked.

I’m not sure everyone clearly or correctly defines “ franchise qb”. Which is basically anyone who’s receive a second contract. With that they become the franchises QB.

Franchise QB is not necessarily an Elite QB.

 

[Diehardblues]

Dak is a backup level QB. He won the lottery getting drafted by Dallas - in any other team he'd already have been traded and would be a backup somewhere.

I understand your opinion but that’s pure speculative. In the end he did become a franchise qb here. And is considered a top 10 -15 QB by most analysts. And was ranked top 100 by his peers.

So while he isn’t as great as some want to place him he’s not as bad as other want to. Like many he’s more in the middle.

And while most teams might not have paid him as much I’d think there would be some demand if he was available .

 

[Bigdog]

No it is a team sport. Although not the ultimate team sport but the Qb does rely on others to make him win SB.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I guess that depends on the goals of the individual. But all sports people I know are in it to win it. At least once.

Maybe Dak is satisfied with his big contract, dunno.

that's why I asked. the individual can succeed while the team fails. so if success is shared and is a team achievement, so is the failure. Parsons may never win a championship (as long as he is with the cowboys), but he is a success at what he does...I think its champion vs. not a champion

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

What does the bank account say?

that's another measure of success, I guess in the athletes case success as it pertains to championships...

with that said, financially no one was more successfull than Russell. did zero. ate himself out of the league and made millions just chillin

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

He's already a bust.

so Mayfield is a super bust?

 

[Ranched]

Cowboys fans are used to Cinderella QB stories. Romo was never supposed to be the starter for a single game, much less 10 years. Prescott was third-string, arguably fourth-string at one point before rookie season. Heck, even the great Roger Staubach began his pro career as the backup to Craig Morton.

Quarterbacks historically have stretched the limits of Cowboys Nation's imagination. Franchise starters have emerged suddenly, like lightning flashes. And yes, Rush's three starts have been outstanding. He has played within himself. He has made plays when they've needed to be made. Guys around him have really stepped up.

Let's just appreciate the reality of the situation. The Cowboys have found a viable backup to Prescott. That's a good thing. No further debate is needed.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

I’m not sure everyone clearly or correctly defines “ franchise qb”. Which is basically anyone who’s receive a second contract. With that they become the franchises QB.

Franchise QB is not necessarily an Elite QB.

That would be a distinction that makes sense. A franchise QB is not necessarily an elite QB.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

Dak is a backup level QB. He won the lottery getting drafted by Dallas - in any other team he'd already have been traded and would be a backup somewhere.

He's a decent game manager I agree. But none of what you said can be blamed on Dak Prescott. Rather I would blame the front office of the Cowboys.

 

[Scottishcowboy]

I would add Bradshaw to the list of average QBs to win Super Bowls. If wasn't for amazing catches, Harris, Bleier, and that HOF defense, Bradshaw doesn't win a thing. Most carried QB ever in my opinion.

I've felt the same forever! he is so overrated because of the team he played for. He's also still a clown now on TV.

Sadly, I see history repeating itself soon with Eli Manning getting in the HOF just because he happened to QB a 2 time winner. Each and every season he played, he was lucky if he was a middle of road QB yet he'll get in soon enough.