Is This Bledsoe's Last Hurrah???

[peplaw06]

NE had a Superbowl with Bledsoe as there QB...

http://www.superbowl.com/history/boxscores/game/sbxxxi

and Bledsoe threw an Int and another and another and another

Most Passes Had Intercepted, Game
5 Rich Gannon, Oakland vs. Tampa Bay, XXXVII
4 Craig Morton, Denver vs. Dallas, XII
Jim Kelly, Buffalo vs. Washington, XXVI
Drew Bledsoe, New England vs. Green Bay, XXXI
Kerry Collins, N.Y. Giants vs. Baltimore, XXXV

and he was sacked 5 times, 3 by Reggie White

I guess all they needed was Tom Brady

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I guess all they needed was Tom Brady

Well he is a better QB than Bledsoe.

 

[Rustinpeace21]

Well he is a better QB than Bledsoe.

I also guess if you have reggie white breathing down your neck all came it could be alittle harder, than say grant wistrom or someone else on the rams team. Also Desmond Howard had an amazing game and Forced the pats to Pass Pass and Pass again so it wasnt drews fault they lost the game, they actually had the lead like 21-17 in the 3rd i believe? than Howard ran one back. Also one of drews picks was basically should have been considered a fumble, It was a pass to VINCENT BRISBY(look at that talent) and he basically let the Packer defender take it out of his hands

 

[Bledsoe4MVP]

Bledstud is the man.....keep him until his arm falls off

I agree with your assessment...nice to see some of the mod squad coming around warming up to Bledsoe's larger than life status

:shake: :toast2:

 

[Bledsoe4MVP]

I think he is an over rated QB and I do not think he can get us to the SuperBowl (yes that is my opinion)

Yes he tends to Throw Int's his ratio is not that good it is not bad but it is not the best thing since slice bread either and his timing of int's have been bad

He has a career of low completion %

His strong point is the long ball but he has lower YPA on his throws than most West coast offense QB's

He tends to fumble the ball and take stupid sacks holding on to the ball to long always trying to make a big play

That was my view before we got him and it was my view after he played last year

I was not drinking the kool aid about Bledsoe when he was with other teams and I am not going to start just because he has a star on his helment

(No periods just for you rack)

First of all Bledsoe's career completion percentage is 57%......not stellar, but far from pathetic.....he's a gunslinger and has had to put the ball in the air more than others since he's never had a dominant running game (except 2 seasons with curtis martin). You do understand he's already 5th all time in completions behind Marino, Favre, Elway and Moon...meaning he's had a ton more attempts than most QB's.

Right now he's 13th all time in Passing TD's with 244, he has 198 INT's....again when you put the ball in the air as much as Drew has your bound to make mistakes.

People keep forgeting the biggest fact with bledsoe's career so far....he's put up huge numbers on average to bad teams that for the most part lacked starpower at the wr, te and rb positions. No more excuses in 2006.....Drew has been supplied with an ample arsenal, and if he don't produce big things, then I MIGHT start believe these ludicrous theories about him being a bad QB.

Just curious but what do you think Peyton Manning's numbers would like playing behind ragged offensive lines, and without marvin harrison, reggie wayne and a running game (you'll find out this season because edge james made that offense what it was )

 

[Bledsoe4MVP]

I think he is maybe in the top 3... if not the best... at getting sacked...is there another qb who has been sacked more than 451 times...he has been in the league for what 13 years that is 34.692307692307692307692307692308 per year unfreaking real and that is including the season he only played 2 games...He has played in 188 games and averages 2.3989361702127659574468085106383 per game he also averages 1.0531914893617021276595744680851 INT's per game and0.63829787234042553191489361702128 Fum per game

so you can count on 2.4 sacks 1 INT and 1 Fumble per game he also has a career comp % of 57.3% and only a 6.64 YPA not only that his team has finished last or next to last in his division something like 10 out of 13 times...I don't care how much syrup you poor on it that is some ugly, ugly numbers

How about we don't worry about obscure, pointless statistics and focus on the ones that matter:

* 43447 career passing yards....and counting
* 252 career TD's (includes 8 career rushing TD's)....and counting
* 33 come from behind wins....and counting
* 2 AFC Championship game wins...hopefully some nfc championship wins to come
* 4-3 career playoff record (likely to be 7-3 or 8-3 after the 2006 season depending if dallas gets a bye)
* Holds multiple franchise passing records for 2 different franchises.....i'm sure he will own some dallas ones very soon as well
* Passed for over 3000 yards in 9 of 13 seasons, including 3500+ in 8 seasons, 4000+ in 3 seasons
* Passed for 20+ TD's in 7 of 13 seasons
* 4 pro bowl appearances....and counting (meaningless stat for the most part since it's just a popularity contest anyhow)
* 2 superbowl appearances
* 1 superbowl championship as backup

Hope to see you and all the other bashers in Canton 5 years after the day Drew retires his jersey.

 

[CowboyManDan]

My opinion is Bledsoe has this coming season and 1 more after that. If we win the superbowl this season, he retires.

 

[Bledsoe4MVP]

You know where you Bledsoe guys ALWAYS lose me? Everything with you is predicated on an "IF." If he does this. If he does that. It's never about what he has already done.

Let me put all these "IFS" into perespective for you. If my Aunt had nads she'd be my uncle.

Now let's address Bledsoe as 1 of the top 5 QBs all time. No way, no shape, no how. He'd have to hold every passing record in the book for me to even consider him up in that stratosphere.

You see, you want me to believe that one of the top 5 QBs ever to play the game has been pushed aside twice, and could be a 3rd time in his career before it's done. No. That won't wash. NFL GMs just aren't that stupid.

I can easily name 20 QBs who if Bledsoe were on the same team as them he'd be the backup. I repeat, I can easily name 20 QBs all time who are clearly better.

He's got impressive career stats. These make you do this.

All stats make me say is whoop dee freaking doo. Contrary to wild imaginations fantasy football and Madden football have nothing to do with the real game.

He's a good QB. I've never said he isn't. Not once. Not ever. He falls short of greatness. That's just the book on his career bro. When the games have been the biggest his "greatness" has been scarcest. I don't put anyone who flops in big time games on a pedastal.

Save your syrup. I'm an eggs and hash browns guy.

John Elway (even though he went on to win 2 championships), Warren Moon, Donovan McNabb, Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, etc etc have been nonexistent in more big games than Drew. Guess what .....4 of the 5 were inducted into the hall on their first ballot, and only one of them has a world championship on his resume

In fact would you like to compare peyton mannings career to bledsoes, because I know at least a few categories than Drew would own him in and it wouldn't even be close. But I'm sure you'd take him and his '49 TD passes against the weakest schedule ever' over bledsoe anyday right along with your other 20 QB's that have these gaudy accolades on their resume:

* 43447 career passing yards....and counting
* 252 career TD's (includes 8 career rushing TD's)....and counting
* 33 come from behind wins....and counting
* 2 AFC Championship game wins
* 4-3 career playoff record
* Holds multiple franchise passing records for 2 different franchises....and counting
* Passed for over 3000 yards in 9 of 13 seasons, including 3500+ in 8 seasons, 4000+ in 3 seasons
* Passed for 20+ TD's in 7 of 13 seasons
* 4 pro bowl appearances....and counting
* 2 superbowl appearances
* 1 superbowl championship as backup

See you in canton Hostile, I'd love to meet you person someday

 

[Bledsoe4MVP]

Joking aside, there's a lot to this, actually. Aikman was so efficient that he didn't need to engineer heroic comebacks to win. Aikman's arm strength and accuracy allowed the Cowboys to systematically attack the defense. I think this helps explain Aikman's uncanny ability to throw completions to the one-yard line. The Cowboys were confident they could score either running or passing so they focused on eating up big chunks of yards with the pass and didn't have to rely on it for TD's.

This ties into this arguement perfectly, first of all Troy is an all time great..NO QUESTIONS!

BUT.....what did Troy HAVE that Bledsoe HASN'T so far:

1) The greatest RB off all time (at least in terms of yardage)
2) One of the greatest playmaking receivers of all time
3) a dominant offensive line loaded with beasts and pereniall all pros
4) a speedy, big play defense that scored a lot of points off turnovers
5) Great coaching pretty much his entire career

Can't see how anybody can argue that Bledsoe isn't in elite status considering what he's accomplished so far with so little?

 

[Bledsoe4MVP]

Most still Consider Cool Joe the best of all time because he got err done when it counted most

Now on marino and his stats look at when Marino put up his stats and when Bledsoe put up his

Marino put his up in an era when CB where allowed to touch yank and everything else to the wr and Bledsoe has thrown up tons of yards in a league set up to get tons of passing yards marino was better than Bledsoe in Completion % YPA and TD's not even a contest.

Yet despite all that Marino is still ranked below other QB's no ring period

Jeff George had more passing yards than Troy Aikman does that make Jeff a HOF QB ? Was Bledsoe head and shoulders above everyone in his era passing ? No but Marino was you have to compare Bledose to peers in his era and he does not measure up as a hof QB period

Yet another ******** argument, so Drew has only racked up yards because receivers get away with penalties and other crap to get open????

Defenses are more COMPLEX than ever the last 10+ years, no way this argument holds any weight. Look at what the cowboys defense did in the mid 90's.....the ravens in 2000....the pats the last few years......truly shows how great Drew and a few others have been to be able to rack up the yards.

 

[Crown Royal]

This ties into this arguement perfectly, first of all Troy is an all time great..NO QUESTIONS!

BUT.....what did Troy HAVE that Bledsoe HASN'T so far:

1) The greatest RB off all time (at least in terms of yardage)
2) One of the greatest playmaking receivers of all time
3) a dominant offensive line loaded with beasts and pereniall all pros
4) a speedy, big play defense that scored a lot of points off turnovers
5) Great coaching pretty much his entire career

Can't see how anybody can argue that Bledsoe isn't in elite status considering what he's accomplished so far with so little?

Bledsoe has had some of those commodities at one time or another:

1) Didn't he and Curtis Martin play on the same team a while?
2) Moulds is not an 'of all time' but he is very very good. He also had a good TE in Ben Coates.
3) This one he has lacked - most definitely
4) Buffalo was a fantastic defense while he and Gregg Williams were both there.
5) He has had 2 different HOF coaches 3 different times.

Now, I understand where you are going - he never had it all at once. But it isn't as if it's been Bledsoe v. the world his entire career, either.

 

[Crown Royal]

Yet another ******** argument, so Drew has only racked up yards because receivers get away with penalties and other crap to get open????

Defenses are more COMPLEX than ever the last 10+ years, no way this argument holds any weight. Look at what the cowboys defense did in the mid 90's.....the ravens in 2000....the pats the last few years......truly shows how great Drew and a few others have been to be able to rack up the yards.

I have to disagree with this. While they are complex, it isn't really new complexities - it's old ones being brought back. It seems complex because we haven't seen it in years.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

How about we don't worry about obscure, pointless statistics and focus on the ones that matter:

* 43447 career passing yards....and counting
* 252 career TD's (includes 8 career rushing TD's)....and counting
* 33 come from behind wins....and counting
* 2 AFC Championship game wins...hopefully some nfc championship wins to come
* 4-3 career playoff record (likely to be 7-3 or 8-3 after the 2006 season depending if dallas gets a bye)
* Holds multiple franchise passing records for 2 different franchises.....i'm sure he will own some dallas ones very soon as well
* Passed for over 3000 yards in 9 of 13 seasons, including 3500+ in 8 seasons, 4000+ in 3 seasons
* Passed for 20+ TD's in 7 of 13 seasons
* 4 pro bowl appearances....and counting (meaningless stat for the most part since it's just a popularity contest anyhow)
* 2 superbowl appearances
* 1 superbowl championship as backup

Hope to see you and all the other bashers in Canton 5 years after the day Drew retires his jersey.

When was the last time Drew Bledsoe led a team to the playoffs?

Hmm?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

John Elway (even though he went on to win 2 championships), Warren Moon, Donovan McNabb, Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, etc etc have been nonexistent in more big games than Drew. Guess what .....4 of the 5 were inducted into the hall on their first ballot, and only one of them has a world championship on his resume

In fact would you like to compare peyton mannings career to bledsoes, because I know at least a few categories than Drew would own him in and it wouldn't even be close. But I'm sure you'd take him and his '49 TD passes against the weakest schedule ever' over bledsoe anyday right along with your other 20 QB's that have these gaudy accolades on their resume:

* 43447 career passing yards....and counting
* 252 career TD's (includes 8 career rushing TD's)....and counting
* 33 come from behind wins....and counting
* 2 AFC Championship game wins
* 4-3 career playoff record
* Holds multiple franchise passing records for 2 different franchises....and counting
* Passed for over 3000 yards in 9 of 13 seasons, including 3500+ in 8 seasons, 4000+ in 3 seasons
* Passed for 20+ TD's in 7 of 13 seasons
* 4 pro bowl appearances....and counting
* 2 superbowl appearances
* 1 superbowl championship as backup

See you in canton Hostile, I'd love to meet you person someday

Name a hall-of-fame QB that was dumped as the starter by two different teams prior to his 33rd birthday?

 

[Crown Royal]

Name a hall-of-fame QB that was dumped as the starter by two different teams prior to his 33rd birthday?

Was Jim Plunkett dumped by two, or just the Pats?

Is Jim Plunkett in the HOF?

 

[Crown Royal]

OK - Plunkett is not in the HOF - so I can't think of any.

 

[peplaw06]

Name a hall-of-fame QB that was dumped as the starter by two different teams prior to his 33rd birthday?

Yeah base your argument on what the Buffalo Bills do in personnel moves. JP Loserman, puhlease. Ask the Bills who the better QB is? The only reason they dropped him was because of his cap number and the fact that it wasn't worth it to pay him since they have nothing to protect him, and very little chance of being a contender.

 

[Bledsoe4MVP]

Bledsoe has had some of those commodities at one time or another:

1) Didn't he and Curtis Martin play on the same team a while?
2) Moulds is not an 'of all time' but he is very very good. He also had a good TE in Ben Coates.
3) This one he has lacked - most definitely
4) Buffalo was a fantastic defense while he and Gregg Williams were both there.
5) He has had 2 different HOF coaches 3 different times.

Now, I understand where you are going - he never had it all at once. But it isn't as if it's been Bledsoe v. the world his entire career, either.

Yes Drew has had bits and pieces here and there, First to answer your questions....
1) yes he had curtis martin, but only until for only 3 seasons (including the superbowl year 96') until he was traded to the jets and played in his prime.
2) Moulds is pretty much the same as keyshawn....a above average guy, but not a true elite #1 like harrison, moss or TO that can still post huge numbers despite being double and triple covered. Ben Coates was a nobody until Drew came to New England.
3) At least somebody else agrees Drew has never had an above average line.
4) Not entirely true, Williams first year in 2001 the bills were horrible in every aspect of the game and went 3-13. Drew got there the next year and carried the team to 8-8, defense was horrible in the first half of the season and got a little better late. In 2003 the defense was great, but the offense was atrocious after peerless price, riemersma and centers were cut/traded. 2004 they had the best defense during drew's tenure in buffalo, but that was under mularkey (even though it was pretty much the same roster from 03')
5) Yes, Parcells (went to one superbowl with him) and Bellichik (can't count this since 2000 the pats went 5-11 during his first year as head coach, we all know what happened the following year though....who knows what would have happend though if drew returned to the lineup)

Of course most people will say no QB has a perfect offensive line, offense, team, etc....but when you look at teams that win it all, they have very few flaws. Drew has done what he can to take very flawed teams to the postseason, or at least stay in contention.

My point of the argument in comparing Drew to Troy though, was that Troy pretty much had all of these pieces 90% of his career(particulary 92'-96' when 3 world titles were won)....and i'm sure most long time cowboy fans won't dispute this either.

 

[Bledsoe4MVP]

Name a hall-of-fame QB that was dumped as the starter by two different teams prior to his 33rd birthday?

MW, since you are from Olean, NY (small town about hour south of BUFFALO).....I'm just curious, even as a cowboys fan you must be very familar with the Bills and Bledsoe since you live in the area. So you must also be aware that Tom Donahoe destroyed that franchised and set them back years with all of his numerous shoddy dealings and terrible drafting (including the losman fiasco)?

It's a very weak argument saying what hall of fame player was dumped or played for multiple teams......Jerry Rice has been on 4, Warren Moon on 5....it means nothing really.

Drew was traded from the pats for what might be the best to ever play when its all said and done (tom brady) and by the bills because they couldn't afford him and Donahoe needed a scapegoat to buy him one more season (which it did)

 

[Hostile]

John Elway (even though he went on to win 2 championships), Warren Moon, Donovan McNabb, Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, etc etc have been nonexistent in more big games than Drew. Guess what .....4 of the 5 were inducted into the hall on their first ballot, and only one of them has a world championship on his resume

Once again, the Hall of Fame (which isn't a birthright) is the only food offered other than stats. Got them too coming up.

Nothing about football or ability.

In fact would you like to compare peyton mannings career to bledsoes, because I know at least a few categories than Drew would own him in and it wouldn't even be close. But I'm sure you'd take him and his '49 TD passes against the weakest schedule ever' over bledsoe anyday right along with your other 20 QB's that have these gaudy accolades on their resume:

Yeah I'd take Peyton Manning over Bledsoe. Big shock.

* 43447 career passing yards....and counting

Yawn.

* 252 career TD's (includes 8 career rushing TD's)....and counting

Zzzzzzzzzzz.

* 33 come from behind wins....and counting

Wake me up when this gets interesting.

* 2 AFC Championship game wins

"2nd place is the first loser." --Buddy Ryan

Sad when even Buddy Ryan makes more sense.

* 4-3 career playoff record

Pathetic. You should have ignored this. Not that it would have worked. I'd have brought it up. It's that pathetic.

* Holds multiple franchise passing records for 2 different franchises....and counting

I don't care.

* Passed for over 3000 yards in 9 of 13 seasons, including 3500+ in 8 seasons, 4000+ in 3 seasons

In the passing era no less. Oooh so impressive.

* Passed for 20+ TD's in 7 of 13 seasons

Whoop dee freaking doo.

* 4 pro bowl appearances....and counting

I haven't cared about the Pro Bowl in so long I can't even imagine why this should matter to me.

* 2 superbowl appearances

A loss and a gig as backup. Not exactly legendary stuff here.

* 1 superbowl championship as backup

This is sad.

See you in canton Hostile, I'd love to meet you person someday

I doubt you would. I'm too honest.