Is This Bledsoe's Last Hurrah???

[peplaw06]

How many of you "Bledsoe bashers" were surprised at the numbers and the performance of the past season?? Honestly, I want to know. How many of you saw doom and gloom when he was signed, only to change your tune when we were 7-3??

Granted we were one win from the playoffs, but to put all the blame on Bledsoe for missing the playoffs is ridiculous. Bledsoe's not a kicker. He put us in position to win about 3 more games, and Cortez/Cundiff blew it.

And as for the NE roster in their Super Bowl, yes they had some good players, obviously they were in the Super Bowl. But 1996's roster was much different from the roster in 2001.

As for his performance in that game, two of Bledsoe's interceptions were in the 4th quarter when they were trying to come back. He really didn't have that bad of a game, he was forced to throw a lot because Martin wasn't doing anything, and because they were playing catch up.

The premise of our argument for how Bledsoe could be considered a first ballot HOF and regarded as a great QB depends on some IFs. I said if he wins a SB or two, he will get consideration. We're not arguing that he's the greatest ever.... I mean the Cowboys are being considered SB contenders this year, so is it so far out of the realm of possibility to suggest what will happen if he wins one?

You guys are quick to blame Bledsoe for his shortcomings as a QB, but don't give him any credit. You soud like a bunch of mediots. So sue us for being optimistic about our QB.

 

[Jarv]

You guys are quick to blame Bledsoe for his shortcomings as a QB, but don't give him any credit. You soud like a bunch of mediots. So sue us for being optimistic about our QB.

Heck no, not me anyhow. Bledsoe actually played better than I thought he would last year. I have no problem saying that.

He's not an "MVP..." QB. But he was better than we have seen here since Troy.

Nothing wrong with wanting something even better too...The lack of pocket presense and mobility is really my biggest gripe.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

How many of you "Bledsoe bashers" were surprised at the numbers and the performance of the past season?? Honestly, I want to know. How many of you saw doom and gloom when he was signed, only to change your tune when we were 7-3??

Granted we were one win from the playoffs, but to put all the blame on Bledsoe for missing the playoffs is ridiculous. Bledsoe's not a kicker. He put us in position to win about 3 more games, and Cortez/Cundiff blew it.

And as for the NE roster in their Super Bowl, yes they had some good players, obviously they were in the Super Bowl. But 1996's roster was much different from the roster in 2001.

As for his performance in that game, two of Bledsoe's interceptions were in the 4th quarter when they were trying to come back. He really didn't have that bad of a game, he was forced to throw a lot because Martin wasn't doing anything, and because they were playing catch up.

The premise of our argument for how Bledsoe could be considered a first ballot HOF and regarded as a great QB depends on some IFs. I said if he wins a SB or two, he will get consideration. We're not arguing that he's the greatest ever.... I mean the Cowboys are being considered SB contenders this year, so is it so far out of the realm of possibility to suggest what will happen if he wins one?

You guys are quick to blame Bledsoe for his shortcomings as a QB, but don't give him any credit. You soud like a bunch of mediots. So sue us for being optimistic about our QB.

I only bash the guy when I see the folks lined up to proclaim him one of the best ever or some other such nonsense. Consider it my quest to stamp out lunacy in the US of A.

 

[peplaw06]

I only bash the guy when I see the folks lined up to proclaim him one of the best ever or some other such nonsense. Consider it my quest to stamp out lunacy in the US of A.

OK, since it's such "lunacy"... let's give you a hypothetical.

TO and Bledsoe along with our top 5 defense go on a Super Bowl run. TO and Bledsoe hit it off famously (remember HYPOTHETICAL! ). Cowboys go 11-5 or 12-4 in the regular season, getting a bye in the first round. Bledsoe throws 27 TDs, 14 INTs... which BTW would be 4 more TDs and 3 fewer INTs than last year. He's an MVP candidate (not saying he'll win it). The Cowboys win Super Bowl XLI.

Bledsoe mulls retirement, but TO is on good behavior, and he says he'll come back for next year at least. Parcells finishes his contract extension as well. And the Cowboys go on another run. They make it back to the playoffs, with Bledsoe again having a solid season. If they don't win the Super Bowl XLII, is he a HOFer? Does he deserve consideration as ONE OF the top 10-20 QBs?? Does your answer change if the Cowboys win SB XLII??

All I've been saying is if Bledsoe finished his career much like Elway finished his, there's no reason to exclude him from the conversation of the best QBs ever.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

OK, since it's such "lunacy"... let's give you a hypothetical.

TO and Bledsoe along with our top 5 defense go on a Super Bowl run. TO and Bledsoe hit it off famously (remember HYPOTHETICAL! ). Cowboys go 11-5 or 12-4 in the regular season, getting a bye in the first round. Bledsoe throws 27 TDs, 14 INTs... which BTW would be 4 more TDs and 3 fewer INTs than last year. He's an MVP candidate (not saying he'll win it). The Cowboys win Super Bowl XLI.

Bledsoe mulls retirement, but TO is on good behavior, and he says he'll come back for next year at least. Parcells finishes his contract extension as well. And the Cowboys go on another run. They make it back to the playoffs, with Bledsoe again having a solid season. If they don't win the Super Bowl XLII, is he a HOFer? Does he deserve consideration as ONE OF the top 10-20 QBs?? Does your answer change if the Cowboys win SB XLII??

All I've been saying is if Bledsoe finished his career much like Elway finished his, there's no reason to exclude him from the conversation of the best QBs ever.

If Bledsoe wins a SB I think he deserves a great deal of support for being a top-echelon QB.

There is only one problem with this whole scenario.

 

[Slyster]

Bledsoe has done something not many QBs have done.. Took a team that did not have a top 10 defense to a SB ( to bad they ran into the Packers with the #1 O and D that year and Desmond Howaard having the game of his life ). I dont understand why people think a QB must win a Super Bowl before being considered as great. Makes no sense at all. Bledsoe will have passed 50,000 yards by the time his career is over ( barring serioes injury ) which is something a decent QB will not attain. Only great QBs can reach that.

I would venture to say that Drew Bledsoe is better than most QBs who have won a Super Bowl. He has never had a team full of super stars like Troy Aikman or a dominating defense like the recent Patriot teams ( dont even mention the Bills D. They always choked when the game was on the line ).

The definition of decent is Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson.

 

[peplaw06]

If Bledsoe wins a SB I think he deserves a great deal of support for being a top-echelon QB.

There is only one problem with this whole scenario.

Ahh, so we agree

 

[sbneff]

Bledsoe has done something not many QBs have done.. Took a team that did not have a top 10 defense to a SB ( to bad they ran into the Packers with the #1 O and D that year and Desmond Howaard having the game of his life ). I dont understand why people think a QB must win a Super Bowl before being considered as great. Makes no sense at all. Bledsoe will have passed 50,000 yards by the time his career is over ( barring serioes injury ) which is something a decent QB will not attain. Only great QBs can reach that.

I would venture to say that Drew Bledsoe is better than most QBs who have won a Super Bowl. He has never had a team full of super stars like Troy Aikman or a dominating defense like the recent Patriot teams ( dont even mention the Bills D. They always choked when the game was on the line ).

The definition of decent is Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson.

Where does he rank in turning those yards into points? He ranks 180th all-time, his yards are not a reflection of success. Rather, they represent his inability to put points on the board and puts up the majority of his yards when confronted with a prevent defense.

Bledsoe fits in quite well with Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson, although Bledsoe hasn't been able to obtain a SB victory. He is and will always be considered a mediocre QB. Please feel free to post his HUGE numbers, they don't exisit. He has and will continue to post QB numbers in the middle to the lower half of QB's in the league.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Where does he rank in turning those yards into points? He ranks 180th all-time, his yards are not a reflection of success. Rather, they represent his inability to put points on the board and puts up the majority of his yards when confronted with a prevent defense.

Bledsoe fits in quite well with Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson, although Bledsoe hasn't been able to obtain a SB victory. He is and will always be considered a mediocre QB. Please feel free to post his HUGE numbers, they don't exisit. He has and will continue to post QB numbers in the middle to the lower half of QB's in the league.

And if you figured sacks given up and fumbles lost he would rank even lower.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I would venture to say that Drew Bledsoe is better than most QBs who have won a Super Bowl.

Most?

Better than:

Starr
Unitas
Griese
Bradshaw
Staubach
Stabler
Montana
Young
Aikman
Elway
Farve
Brady

There are a lot of Super Bowl wins there...

And I don't Bledsoe is the equal of any of those guys.

Is he better than

Simms?
Hostetler?
Thiesman?
Williams?
Brad Johnson?
Dilfer?

Yeah but I think if you go back and look the majority of the Super Bowls were won by guys that were flat-out better than Bledsoe.

 

[peplaw06]

Where does he rank in turning those yards into points? He ranks 180th all-time, his yards are not a reflection of success. Rather, they represent his inability to put points on the board and puts up the majority of his yards when confronted with a prevent defense.

Bledsoe fits in quite well with Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson, although Bledsoe hasn't been able to obtain a SB victory. He is and will always be considered a mediocre QB. Please feel free to post his HUGE numbers, they don't exisit. He has and will continue to post QB numbers in the middle to the lower half of QB's in the league.

Someone's in denial. Saying his stats don't exist is just that... denial.

Turning yards into points is not just a reflection of QB play either. You can be a great QB until you get into the red zone, but if you have smallish WRs, it gets harder to get into the end zone. Bledsoe has had very few big WRs... Key and maybe Moulds?? TEs yes, but Bledsoe has had more small, quick WRs. Glenn, Patten, Brisby, Price, Brown, Branch, etc. etc. Red zone scoring lso has to do with tough RB play. Those RBs who can get the tough yards near the end zone. How many goalline backs has Bledose played with?? Kieth Byars?

 

[Slyster]

I was wondering when you would make your way over here sb. I see you are still posting your sensless drivel which you copy and paste over and over again hoping someone will agree.

Mediocre QBs do not last 13 years. They fall out as quickly as they arrive ( See Trent Dilfer ).

Still. Bledsoe doesnt not need to win a SB to prove anything. Any Football fan with a brain the size of a pea knows that he will be entering the HoF.

I am sure you two think Jim Kelly , Warren Moon and Dan Marino are all Mediocre aswell. Right? Clueless.

 

[Slyster]

The only QBs in that list that I would not consider Bledsoe equal to or better than are : Starr , Unitas , Griese , Montana and Young. Its a tough call on some of the older QBs because most of those guys stats are horrible with some throwing more INTs than TDs.

 

[Hostile]

OK, since it's such "lunacy"... let's give you a hypothetical.

TO and Bledsoe along with our top 5 defense go on a Super Bowl run. TO and Bledsoe hit it off famously (remember HYPOTHETICAL! ). Cowboys go 11-5 or 12-4 in the regular season, getting a bye in the first round. Bledsoe throws 27 TDs, 14 INTs... which BTW would be 4 more TDs and 3 fewer INTs than last year. He's an MVP candidate (not saying he'll win it). The Cowboys win Super Bowl XLI.

Bledsoe mulls retirement, but TO is on good behavior, and he says he'll come back for next year at least. Parcells finishes his contract extension as well. And the Cowboys go on another run. They make it back to the playoffs, with Bledsoe again having a solid season. If they don't win the Super Bowl XLII, is he a HOFer? Does he deserve consideration as ONE OF the top 10-20 QBs?? Does your answer change if the Cowboys win SB XLII??

All I've been saying is if Bledsoe finished his career much like Elway finished his, there's no reason to exclude him from the conversation of the best QBs ever.

Yet another "IF."

If he does this, or if he does that.

No, if he wins a Super Bowl I still wouldn't say he's top 10 to 20 all time, but right outside of top 20 is not horrible IMO.

Hanging everything on an if instead of what he's actually done.

 

[Rustinpeace21]

Where does he rank in turning those yards into points? He ranks 180th all-time, his yards are not a reflection of success. Rather, they represent his inability to put points on the board and puts up the majority of his yards when confronted with a prevent defense.

Bledsoe fits in quite well with Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson, although Bledsoe hasn't been able to obtain a SB victory. He is and will always be considered a mediocre QB. Please feel free to post his HUGE numbers, they don't exisit. He has and will continue to post QB numbers in the middle to the lower half of QB's in the league.

This guy is the most anti bledsoe person on the planet, i dunno why, his grudge is the size of texas, im telling you go to the bills message board, and 97% of his posts are about how bad bledsoe is

 

[Bledsoe4MVP]

Yet another "IF."

If he does this, or if he does that.

No, if he wins a Super Bowl I still wouldn't say he's top 10 to 20 all time, but right outside of top 20 is not horrible IMO.

Hanging everything on an if instead of what he's actually done.

It don't matter IF Drew ever wins a superbowl or not....as of right now he would get into the HOF on his numbers alone, just not 1st ballot. He's already among the top 10 QB's of all time.

Once he hits the 50,000 yard mark he will be a lock for 1st ballot, even if he never wins another playoff game.

 

[Bledsoe4MVP]

I was wondering when you would make your way over here sb. I see you are still posting your sensless drivel which you copy and paste over and over again hoping someone will agree.

Mediocre QBs do not last 13 years. They fall out as quickly as they arrive ( See Trent Dilfer ).

Still. Bledsoe doesnt not need to win a SB to prove anything. Any Football fan with a brain the size of a pea knows that he will be entering the HoF.

I am sure you two think Jim Kelly , Warren Moon and Dan Marino are all Mediocre aswell. Right? Clueless.

What would make you think that?

http://boards.buffalobills.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=125541


:laugh1: :laugh2:

 

[neosapien23]

It don't matter IF Drew ever wins a superbowl or not....as of right now he would get into the HOF on his numbers alone, just not 1st ballot. He's already among the top 10 QB's of all time.

Once he hits the 50,000 yard mark he will be a lock for 1st ballot, even if he never wins another playoff game.

I hope he wins one this year. He has the kind of recievers he likes in TO, Glenn, and Witten. If the Oline can perform, Bledsoe could have a career year. Drew Bledsoe is a class act who deserves to win at least one superbowl. His charity work and refusal to rake his crappy Olines through the coals (Manning) exude the kind of professionalism that is rarely found in today's athletes.

 

[Bledsoe4MVP]

That article really hits home and really settles all arguments regarding Bledsoe.

One poster isn't going to like this very much.

It's nothing more than nonsensical drivel written by a known Brady jock sniffer and Bledsoe hater....not worth reading if you ask me.

 

[Bach]

Bledsoe strikes me as the type who will play until no one wants him as a starting QB.

And then some.