It Finally Happened

[Doomsay]

What is laughable is how weak that commentary is as proof.

Really? Name a successful coach on any NFL team that worked under those conditions.

 

[Hostile]

Really? Name a successful coach on any NFL team that worked under those conditions.

What conditions?

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Was it fun today to watch gears strip after the PC? I swear the whole forum slammed into reverse.

Not me. He still doesn't know what to do with this offense. And he's not a technique guy for other positions, which is our problem this year. Everyone forgot how to tackle and stuff.

 

[Doomsay]

What conditions?

Pretty clearly delineated, I just don't think that you have an answer.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Parcells said he wanted Owens.

Pacman and Tank never played under Parcells. They were here under Wade.


Nice effort though.

No way Parcells wanted owens. I said Jerry brought in what Parcells was trying to get rid of. I should have worded it better. Jerry brought in what Parcells rid the Cowboys of.

Again has Jerry ever said I give coaches the freedom to run this team? Please show me if he has, I missed it.

 

[Hostile]

Pretty clearly delineated, I just don't think that you have an answer.

That assistants under contract are kept by incoming Head Coaches?

Name a team, any team, and I will give you an example. 31 other ones to choose from. Pick any one team.

 

[Hostile]

No way Parcells wanted owens. I said Jerry brought in what Parcells was trying to get rid of. I should have worded it better. Jerry brought in what Parcells rid the Cowboys of.

Again has Jerry ever said I give coaches the freedom to run this team? Please show me if he has, I missed it.

Yes, Jerry has said that.

This year in fact about Wade. It's in he video section on dc.com.

Parcells 100% did say he signed off on Owns coming here.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Yes, Jerry has said that.

This year in fact about Wade. It's in he video section on dc.com.

Parcells 100% did say he signed off on Owns coming here.

Your lucky I can't get on that site Mister.

 

[TheDude]

There is video, right on this site, of Jimmy Johnson saying Jerry never interfered.

Barry Switzer has never said Jerry interfered.

Chan Gailey has never said Jerry interfered.

Dave Campo has never said Jerry interfered.

Bill Parcells has never said Jerry interfered.

Wade Phillips is never going to say Jerry interfered.

Now, either the media and the fans who claim this are dead wrong, or all of these guys are stone cold liars. Which sounds more reasonable to you?


In the PC yesterday two things stood out to me. Garrett was asked in the very last question how much persuasion Jerry needed given Romo was gone, tough schedule, 1-7 record, etc. His response, "no persuasion was necessary."

You're going to sit there and tell me that he witnessed Wade the puppet for 3 1/2 years and didn't need any persuasion to take the job when he can basically have whatever job he wanted for the last 3 years? Man, that's quite a stretch in logic.

The second thing that stood out was he said, "Jerry is a very good listener." To me that sounds like he isn't directing, he takes direction tries to give his staff what they want. Wade himself said that when he lost the DL Coach last year that he went to Jerry and told him he wanted Paul Pasqualoni and Jerry and Co. got the job done in 2 hours. He listens. You cannot simultaneously be a "good listener" and a puppeteer.

Every one of our coaches will tell you one thing. Garrett said it yesterday too. "It's Jerry's team. he can do whatever he wants." I can tell you exactly what he does want for his football team as it pertains to his Coaches. To listen to them, and then give them what they want. That is not interference, that is support.

Jerry has flaws, but the idea this man who is a self made billionaire is an incompetent, bungling, meddling overlord has no basis in fact that can be supported by any evidence beyond opinion of people who do not work for him.

Players and agents alike talk about how much easier it is to reach contract agreements with the Dallas Cowboys than it is other teams.

I understand the guy has said 2 things that give off this perception. He was "going to be involved in everything from socks to jocks," and "any of 500 guys could coach this team." Jerry is hands on, no one is saying differently. But he has never called a play, coached a game, insisted on a roster change, or in any way told one of his Head Coaches that they could not have what they want.

Two prime examples from recent times are Drew Henson and Terrell Owens. A member of this site overheard Jerry talking to Drew Henson's Dad at Training Camp the year he was released. Jerry assured his Dad that his time would come and he just had to keep working hard, and improving. Two weeks later Bill Parcelsl told Jerry that Henson did not have what he wanted and that he wanted to waive him. No fight from Jerry. Henson was gone. He loved the kid.

The Owens situation was more involved. Stephen Jones was the impetus behind him being gone. Jerry did not want to waive him. When the Coaches wanted to move on, we did. No questions asked. Millions of dollars down the drain for Owens contract that season. Jerry did not force it at all.

The idea that he is a puppet master is exactly what I said, patently false. There is no evidence to support it. Just fan and media opinion. Great sources of truth.

I agree that Jerry isn't the "meddler" people think he is, but he surrounds himself with "good ol boys" in that he likes to feel comfortable with a certain type of coach.

He hired Jimmy based on the Arkansas alum / friendship. I think it was dumb luck that Jimmy happened to be a great coach and exactly what the team needed. Why? because you follow that up Switzer, Gailey and Campo. Jimmy's success created Jerry's delusion that his circle and impression was always correct.

Every year he had a coach he liked and would klike to hang around with. It wasn't that he told them to let him call plays, but they treated him as an equal in football knowedge when he wasn't.

He finally realized that he needed a alpha football guy as opposed to 10 beta guys running around. He got that in Parcells. Again, I don't think he worked bad with Parcells, but Jerry really wasn't the Alpha football dog he aspired to be. Bill was sullen, more pessimistic and kept his foot on the throat of the operations. The team was trending up and Jerry 's answer was.

Campo part deux - Wade. I have said it before. This organization has to have a hard a** as a coach. The media flocks to them at every turn when ther is success and that is why ever good year is followed up by a bad year. The culture is about believe hype, positive reinforcement, optimism,etc. This team exacerbates what is wrong with young athele nature. They get all the glory, but very few have to work at it.

Jerry also fails at recognizong and developing talent and has hired coaches that are about the exact same mold. My problem with Jerry the GM and Red the HC is that in the last 3 years, the team has aged and no replacements are inline. The 2009 draft is a disaster, the 2008 RW trade was a disaster that spilled over into the 2009 draft. The Oline has been crap for a few years - no plan.

JG has had few but pertinent examples of his talent evaluation - Brad Johnson, Barber/Felix, not playing Miles, etc. In addition, his in game adjustments and that staple WR screen are elementary. But more than that, JG is supposed to be the catalyst for change, he should have recognized weakness and made other personell decisions - he didn't. He could not see it, or if he did, he was ineffective at convincing Jerry to get the trench guys.

So when I look at a leader in any discipline, I want someone who can
1) inspire
2) teach
3) evaluate talent
4) be dynamic in adjusting to external (market/defensive) forces.

I have not seen him grab the bull by th horns and the evaluation is simply awful.

Jerry, fails to see this shortcoming as he is a "Jerry guy" with ties to the past, relationship, etc.

Jerry is a fan and he migrates to hire coaches HE is comfotable with. That means he likes to hear about the good moves he has done, the optimistic outlook and treated like his football input matters as much as the coach doing this for years.

In addition, it is very rare you see nepotism be successful in the long run. It is an entitled atmosphere.

Jerry may not 'meddle", but he is NOT objective and the tie always goes to comfort.

 

[Hostile]

Your lucky I can't get on that site Mister.

Ain't skeered man. You cannot provide one shred of actual evidence and I know this.

 

[Doomsay]

That assistants under contract are kept by incoming Head Coaches?

Name a team, any team, and I will give you an example. 31 other ones to choose from. Pick any one team.

Sure, some are kept some are released. Wade wanted Reeves, didn't get him, don't buy the back story on that. Had Hudson forced upon him.

Don't know any successful coaches that are brought in to season their replacements and that aren't allowed to talk to the media at the combine. Do you?

 

[Hostile]

Sure, some are kept some are released. Wade wanted Reeves, didn't get him, don't buy the back story on that. Had Hudson forced upon him.

Don't know any successful coaches that are brought in to season their replacements and that aren't allowed to talk to the media at the combine. Do you?

Hudson Houck was not forced on Wade. Dan Reeves is a liar?

The last question doesn't even make sense. I couldn't begin to answer it.

 

[anava]

Hudson Houck was not forced on Wade. Dan Reeves is a liar?

The last question doesn't even make sense. I couldn't begin to answer it.

I thought I remember Phillips wanting Solari (sp?)

 

[Larry73]

You don't notice a change in opinion about Garrett around here? I got dozens of PMs from people saying, "okay Hos, I finally see what you see."

That's because you're awesome.

 

[ringmaster]

There is video, right on this site, of Jimmy Johnson saying Jerry never interfered.

Barry Switzer has never said Jerry interfered.

Chan Gailey has never said Jerry interfered.

Dave Campo has never said Jerry interfered.

Bill Parcells has never said Jerry interfered.

Wade Phillips is never going to say Jerry interfered.

Now, either the media and the fans who claim this are dead wrong, or all of these guys are stone cold liars. Which sounds more reasonable to you?


In the PC yesterday two things stood out to me. Garrett was asked in the very last question how much persuasion Jerry needed given Romo was gone, tough schedule, 1-7 record, etc. His response, "no persuasion was necessary."

You're going to sit there and tell me that he witnessed Wade the puppet for 3 1/2 years and didn't need any persuasion to take the job when he can basically have whatever job he wanted for the last 3 years? Man, that's quite a stretch in logic.

The second thing that stood out was he said, "Jerry is a very good listener." To me that sounds like he isn't directing, he takes direction tries to give his staff what they want. Wade himself said that when he lost the DL Coach last year that he went to Jerry and told him he wanted Paul Pasqualoni and Jerry and Co. got the job done in 2 hours. He listens. You cannot simultaneously be a "good listener" and a puppeteer.

Every one of our coaches will tell you one thing. Garrett said it yesterday too. "It's Jerry's team. he can do whatever he wants." I can tell you exactly what he does want for his football team as it pertains to his Coaches. To listen to them, and then give them what they want. That is not interference, that is support.

Jerry has flaws, but the idea this man who is a self made billionaire is an incompetent, bungling, meddling overlord has no basis in fact that can be supported by any evidence beyond opinion of people who do not work for him.

Players and agents alike talk about how much easier it is to reach contract agreements with the Dallas Cowboys than it is other teams.

I understand the guy has said 2 things that give off this perception. He was "going to be involved in everything from socks to jocks," and "any of 500 guys could coach this team." Jerry is hands on, no one is saying differently. But he has never called a play, coached a game, insisted on a roster change, or in any way told one of his Head Coaches that they could not have what they want.

Two prime examples from recent times are Drew Henson and Terrell Owens. A member of this site overheard Jerry talking to Drew Henson's Dad at Training Camp the year he was released. Jerry assured his Dad that his time would come and he just had to keep working hard, and improving. Two weeks later Bill Parcelsl told Jerry that Henson did not have what he wanted and that he wanted to waive him. No fight from Jerry. Henson was gone. He loved the kid.

The Owens situation was more involved. Stephen Jones was the impetus behind him being gone. Jerry did not want to waive him. When the Coaches wanted to move on, we did. No questions asked. Millions of dollars down the drain for Owens contract that season. Jerry did not force it at all.

The idea that he is a puppet master is exactly what I said, patently false. There is no evidence to support it. Just fan and media opinion. Great sources of truth.

You make me smile every time I read your posts.

 

[Dodger12]

Every year he had a coach he liked and would klike to hang around with. It wasn't that he told them to let him call plays, but they treated him as an equal in football knowedge when he wasn't.

He finally realized that he needed a alpha football guy as opposed to 10 beta guys running around. He got that in Parcells. Again, I don't think he worked bad with Parcells, but Jerry really wasn't the Alpha football dog he aspired to be. Bill was sullen, more pessimistic and kept his foot on the throat of the operations. The team was trending up and Jerry 's answer was.

Campo part deux - Wade.

Jerry didn't hire BP because he learned from his past mistakes and realized he needed to change. He hired Parcels so he could get the Cowboys enough credibility to get his stadium approved and built.

Once the stadium approval was out of the way, Jerry not only invalidated BP's tenure by stating it didn't work thus minimizing the organizational changes and improvements, but also said he was never going back to doing it that way again.

I have very little faith that Jerry can fix this mess because he has never recognized the value of an alpha HC except to bring credibility to his frachise so he can build his palace.........

 

[StylisticS]

There is video, right on this site, of Jimmy Johnson saying Jerry never interfered.

Barry Switzer has never said Jerry interfered.

Chan Gailey has never said Jerry interfered.

Dave Campo has never said Jerry interfered.

Bill Parcells has never said Jerry interfered.

Wade Phillips is never going to say Jerry interfered.

Now, either the media and the fans who claim this are dead wrong, or all of these guys are stone cold liars. Which sounds more reasonable to you?


In the PC yesterday two things stood out to me. Garrett was asked in the very last question how much persuasion Jerry needed given Romo was gone, tough schedule, 1-7 record, etc. His response, "no persuasion was necessary."

You're going to sit there and tell me that he witnessed Wade the puppet for 3 1/2 years and didn't need any persuasion to take the job when he can basically have whatever job he wanted for the last 3 years? Man, that's quite a stretch in logic.

The second thing that stood out was he said, "Jerry is a very good listener." To me that sounds like he isn't directing, he takes direction tries to give his staff what they want. Wade himself said that when he lost the DL Coach last year that he went to Jerry and told him he wanted Paul Pasqualoni and Jerry and Co. got the job done in 2 hours. He listens. You cannot simultaneously be a "good listener" and a puppeteer.

Every one of our coaches will tell you one thing. Garrett said it yesterday too. "It's Jerry's team. he can do whatever he wants." I can tell you exactly what he does want for his football team as it pertains to his Coaches. To listen to them, and then give them what they want. That is not interference, that is support.

Jerry has flaws, but the idea this man who is a self made billionaire is an incompetent, bungling, meddling overlord has no basis in fact that can be supported by any evidence beyond opinion of people who do not work for him.

Players and agents alike talk about how much easier it is to reach contract agreements with the Dallas Cowboys than it is other teams.

I understand the guy has said 2 things that give off this perception. He was "going to be involved in everything from socks to jocks," and "any of 500 guys could coach this team." Jerry is hands on, no one is saying differently. But he has never called a play, coached a game, insisted on a roster change, or in any way told one of his Head Coaches that they could not have what they want.

Two prime examples from recent times are Drew Henson and Terrell Owens. A member of this site overheard Jerry talking to Drew Henson's Dad at Training Camp the year he was released. Jerry assured his Dad that his time would come and he just had to keep working hard, and improving. Two weeks later Bill Parcelsl told Jerry that Henson did not have what he wanted and that he wanted to waive him. No fight from Jerry. Henson was gone. He loved the kid.

The Owens situation was more involved. Stephen Jones was the impetus behind him being gone. Jerry did not want to waive him. When the Coaches wanted to move on, we did. No questions asked. Millions of dollars down the drain for Owens contract that season. Jerry did not force it at all.

The idea that he is a puppet master is exactly what I said, patently false. There is no evidence to support it. Just fan and media opinion. Great sources of truth.

Nice and and great informational post Hos.

 

[Funxva]

Was there not a poll out that said who is the best owner in all of sports? Wasn't Jerry #1 of that list? Might have been just football itself.

 

[Larry73]

You make me smile every time I read your posts.

You too? I thought it was just me. Sometimes I also...well, nevermind.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I don't know if I've seen that. I've seen plenty of Dallas Cowboys fan wish Garrett success because he's now the HC of the Dallas Cowboys. The people that hate him seem to still hate him, but even those that just disliked him are willing to wish him the best because he's now the guy.

Furthermore, folks need to stop patting themselves on the back just because Jason Garrett got named Head Coach. Most people felt he was going to be named Interim Coach. Also, we have no idea if this is the right move, only the future will tell.