Jason Garrett must go if this team wants a SB

[Direwolf63]

Teams that win year after year after year have stable organizations.

New England, Pittsburgh, Green Bay, even Seattle.

Garrett has 2 successful season in 2014 and 2016. 2015 was derailed by Romo's injury and no backup QB.

Jerry tried the HC carousel approach. Switzer, Gailey, Parcells, Phillips. We got squat with that approach. We went backwards. I have no interest in going back to that. We will end up squandering Dak's and Zeke's careers just like they squandering Romo's.

If rotating head coaches worked, Cleveland and Jacksonville would be perennial Super Bowl contestants.

 

[Sydla]

I know patience gets better results then the rapid firing cycles poor teams go through. I've stopped giving examples of reds qualities and disciplin.of you not like him words don't matter.we've been patient long enough you say? Well sorry brother , Jerry ain't fibrin red. Period.

First of all, you can list Red's qualities and strengths all you want. I've never argued he's a crap coach or incompetent. He's a decent coach. But in the end, despite what you perceive as his strengths and qualities, it's results that matter. Patience can sometimes get better results. That is absolutely true. But patience can also lead to wasted time and effort.

8 years and one playoff win would be a pretty strong indicator that being patient with Red isn't paying off. Apparently not for you. So that's why I asked. Is there a point where even you realize that patience isn't being rewarded? How many years without any NFC Title game appearances do you then start to wonder if Garrett is the answer?

 

[Sydla]

One thing to remember here. This notion that not many people will work under Jerry might be a misnomer at this point. As we have seen, Stephen has seized more control and power and is the future after Jerry. And all indications is that he's far more open than his father was to new ideas and changes and that he doesn't have the ego that his father possessed.

So this idea that even if he continues to scuffle along, we can't fire Garrett because he's the only guy who will work with Jerry is probably a bit of an exaggeration at this point.

 

[waving monkey]

First of all, you can list Red's qualities and strengths all you want. I've never argued he's a crap coach or incompetent. He's a decent coach. But in the end, despite what you perceive as his strengths and qualities, it's results that matter. Patience can sometimes get better results. That is absolutely true. But patience can also lead to wasted time and effort.

8 years and one playoff win would be a pretty strong indicator that being patient with Red isn't paying off. Apparently not for you. So that's why I asked. Is there a point where even you realize that patience isn't being rewarded? How many years without any NFC Title game appearances do you then start to wonder if Garrett is the answer?

Please then rue i' m beginning to have fun

 

[Ranching]

At the end of the day, you can't win the Kentucky Derby with a mule, we have thoroughbreds on one side of the ball and some mules on the other. If we add a few studs to our defense and we still go one and done, then we'll have this conversation all over again. One thing for sure, Garrett won't take the blame, he'll fire a coordinator or two. Hell, I've done that before. My first year as a head coach we went 5-5, I let go 5 coaches, including my three coordinators, brought in 5 very young and hungry coaches and we went 32-4 the next three seasons. Those 5 coaches all went on to become head coaches or coordinators within the next 7 years.

 

[CooterBrown]

Nothing personal, but brotha, I wouldn't compare Jason Garrett to Tom Landry in any sense of anything.

As far as the overall topic is concerned, people can't deny that this team was not ready to play. Missed tackles, offsides penalties, substitution penalties and a defensive gameplan that looked like it was formulated by my five year old son.

I'd be alittle more forgiving of the guy if he hadn't been in Dallas for so long, but the reality is, he brings nothing to the table that can get us to where we want to go and he isn't going to suddenly get better either.

He is what he is. He's Jerry's puppet that has mastered his robotic persona. He's been outcoached more times than not and gives no confidence that the team can be led by him. Of course I don't matter, only Jerry does. So he'll stay and we'll probably keep coming up short.

For years Tony Romo was the fall guy. He got blamed for everything. Now that he didn't play and is probably gone, people finally want to acknowledge that the defense has always been mediocre to just plain awful. How Ironic.......lol.

When is Jason Garrett ever going to catch any hell for this team's lack of success?

I wasn't comparing Garrett to Landry, only the situation. When the Cowboys finally got to and lost the Superbowl, people wanted Landry gone because he "couldn't win the big one." And Landry had a "hands-off" owner.

All I am saying is that patience sometimes pays off. I'd give Garrett another year. Even in this free-agent era, you have to build through the draft and that takes time. Another draft anywhere near the last one, and there will be no excuses for failure, and then I'll join your "fire Garrett" plan.

 

[Sydla]

Teams that win year after year after year have stable organizations.

New England, Pittsburgh, Green Bay, even Seattle.

Garrett has 2 successful season in 2014 and 2016. 2015 was derailed by Romo's injury and no backup QB.

Jerry tried the HC carousel approach. Switzer, Gailey, Parcells, Phillips. We got squat with that approach. We went backwards. I have no interest in going back to that. We will end up squandering Dak's and Zeke's careers just like they squandering Romo's.

If rotating head coaches worked, Cleveland and Jacksonville would be perennial Super Bowl contestants.

You are missing half the equation when you say "stability". There's also the component of success.

Let's compare:

- Garrett has been head coach for 6 years (I won't count the interim year). He has 2 playoff appearances in 6 years and one playoff win in 6 years.

- Seattle with Carroll. In Carroll's first 6 years, they made the playoffs 5 times, made two Super Bowls and won one of them.

- Green Bay with McCarthy. In McCarthy's first 6 years, GB made the playoffs 4 times, went to two NFC Title games and won a SB.

- New England with Belichick. In his first 6 years as head coach in NE, they won the SB three times.

- Pittsburgh with Mike Tomlin. In his first years as head coach in Pittsburgh, he made the playoffs 4 times, made the SB twice and won one.

- Pittsburgh with Bill Cowher. In his first 6 years as head coach in Pittsburgh, he made the playoffs all 6 seasons, made the AFC title game three times and lost a SB to the Cowboys.

So no offense, but when you try to cite stability as a strength here and then try to equate Garrett and the Cowboys with these other franchises and their coaches, you lose credibility here IMO. Those are horrible examples and if anything, undermine the point you were trying to make. Those franchises kept their coaches and stability because the coaches showed high levels of performance right from the start.

If Garrett can't push the franchise further next year, and win a playoff game or two, then I don't see how one can continue to argue that we need to keep him for "stability".

 

[Sydla]

Please then rue i' m beginning to have fun

So you have no answer? Color me surprised. LOL.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

no deal. Jason stays. you go!

 

[Wolfpack]

I don't want to start over either. I've met Garrett, he's very smart and very Knowledgeable, the issue I had with him back then was that he believes he's always right, you can't learn from your mistakes if you never own up to them. I hope this game opened his eyes a bit.

He never says I screwed up. Its always the execution.

 

[CrownCowboy]

I wasn't comparing Garrett to Landry, only the situation. When the Cowboys finally got to and lost the Superbowl, people wanted Landry gone because he "couldn't win the big one." And Landry had a "hands-off" owner.

All I am saying is that patience sometimes pays off. I'd give Garrett another year. Even in this free-agent era, you have to build through the draft and that takes time. Another draft anywhere near the last one, and there will be no excuses for failure, and then I'll join your "fire Garrett" plan.

Fair enough.

Hopefully we can have a draft like that for the defensive side of the ball all-around.

 

[Proximo]

I've been a critic of Jason Garrett for a long time.

LOL

1st sentence of the OP tells you all you need to know.

The only way this thread doesn't get made is if we win the SB.

We'd be the dumbest team in the league if we got rid of Garrett right now. You can hate on the guy all you want, but we were inches away from a conference championship appearance, and we did it with two rookies at the helm. You don't fire the head coach. That's absurd.

 

[dragon_mikal]

LOL

1st sentence of the OP tells you all you need to know.

The only way this thread doesn't get made is if we win the SB.

We'd be the dumbest team in the league if we got rid of Garrett right now. You can hate on the guy all you want, but we were inches away from a conference championship appearance, and we did it with two rookies at the helm. You don't fire the head coach. That's absurd.

When they don't win it next year is it ok to fire him? The year after?

Name one thing Garrett has accomplished during his tenure here.

 

[Direwolf63]

You are missing half the equation when you say "stability". There's also the component of success.

Let's compare:

- Garrett has been head coach for 6 years (I won't count the interim year). He has 2 playoff appearances in 6 years and one playoff win in 6 years.

- Seattle with Carroll. In Carroll's first 6 years, they made the playoffs 5 times, made two Super Bowls and won one of them.

- Green Bay with McCarthy. In McCarthy's first 6 years, GB made the playoffs 4 times, went to two NFC Title games and won a SB.

- New England with Belichick. In his first 6 years as head coach in NE, they won the SB three times.

- Pittsburgh with Mike Tomlin. In his first years as head coach in Pittsburgh, he made the playoffs 4 times, made the SB twice and won one.

- Pittsburgh with Bill Cowher. In his first 6 years as head coach in Pittsburgh, he made the playoffs all 6 seasons, made the AFC title game three times and lost a SB to the Cowboys.

So no offense, but when you try to cite stability as a strength here and then try to equate Garrett and the Cowboys with these other franchises and their coaches, you lose credibility here IMO. Those are horrible examples and if anything, undermine the point you were trying to make. Those franchises kept their coaches and stability because the coaches showed high levels of performance right from the start.

If Garrett can't push the franchise further next year, and win a playoff game or two, then I don't see how one can continue to argue that we need to keep him for "stability".

And how many of these guys would work for Jerry? None. Zero. Nada. In fact, Cowher many years ago publically stated that he would never work under the structure Jerry created in Dallas.

If you are getting rid of Garrett, your best bet is perhpas promoting Linehan to HC. But what have you really done? There are very few guys willing to work under Jerry's authoritarian ways. I can't think of any. If there are any names, I'd like to hear them.

So I may have no credibility, but I live in the real world. Throwing out Garrett may make the fans feel better, but 9 times out of 10, it will make the team worse.

 

[Direwolf63]

LOL

1st sentence of the OP tells you all you need to know.

The only way this thread doesn't get made is if we win the SB.

We'd be the dumbest team in the league if we got rid of Garrett right now. You can hate on the guy all you want, but we were inches away from a conference championship appearance, and we did it with two rookies at the helm. You don't fire the head coach. That's absurd.

If Rodgers fumbles that ball on the Heath blindside hit and we win with the FG, this thread would not have been created. Garrett would all of a sudden be a great coach again.

 

[Zman5]

Tom Landry won his first Superbowl 12 years after he was hired as head coach. He did start with an expansion team, but he had 5 disappointing playoff seasons before finally winning a SB. Does anyone here believe he was a bad coach?

If that's the case we should have kept Campo for 12 years. At least Campo had coaching experience in the SB.

 

[MikeT22]

Teams that win year after year after year have stable organizations.

New England, Pittsburgh, Green Bay, even Seattle.

Garrett has 2 successful season in 2014 and 2016. 2015 was derailed by Romo's injury and no backup QB.

Jerry tried the HC carousel approach. Switzer, Gailey, Parcells, Phillips. We got squat with that approach. We went backwards. I have no interest in going back to that. We will end up squandering Dak's and Zeke's careers just like they squandering Romo's.

If rotating head coaches worked, Cleveland and Jacksonville would be perennial Super Bowl contestants.

Stability just for the sake of stability isn't going to work either unless you have a quality HC and we don't have that. The problem is Jerry is too afraid of having a quality HC who will overshadow him like Jimmy which is why we had guys like Switzer, Gailey, Campo, Wade and now Garrett. Parcells was the one exception and we know that was to right the ship after several 5-11 seasons in order to gain support for a new stadium. But even then, BP was near the end of the line in his career.

But after 6 years Garrett hasn't shown anything. We finally showed improvement once he was relinquished of play calling. At best he's just an average HC but if we want to go farther we need better than that. But he's Jerry's boy and I'm sure he'll be here for the foreseeable future. Besides, unless something has changed with Jerry, he wouldn't hire a quality HC even if a change was made. He's too afraid of having to walk on eggshells and be overshadowed.

 

[MikeT22]

If Rodgers fumbles that ball on the Heath blindside hit and we win with the FG, this thread would not have been created. Garrett would all of a sudden be a great coach again.

No. He would've just been bailed out. He never was a great coach.

 

[Sydla]

And how many of these guys would work for Jerry? None. Zero. Nada. In fact, Cowher many years ago publically stated that he would never work under the structure Jerry created in Dallas.

If you are getting rid of Garrett, your best bet is perhpas promoting Linehan to HC. But what have you really done? There are very few guys willing to work under Jerry's authoritarian ways. I can't think of any. If there are any names, I'd like to hear them.

So I may have no credibility, but I live in the real world. Throwing out Garrett may make the fans feel better, but 9 times out of 10, it will make the team worse.

I have no idea. Neither do you. But you floated a silly canard that we have to keep Garrett for "stability" and then cited four examples that were NOTHING like what is going on here. Those teams have stability because they made excellent hires who won right away. That's not the Cowboys team.

And also let's start to kill this idea what we won't be able to hire anyone because of Jerry. Jerry isn't the sole voice anymore in this franchise. If he were, we'd have a bunch of high cost free agents killing our cap and Johnny Manziel on the NFI List. Stephen Jones has seized more and more control of this franchise and has been said is well respected around the league and unlike his father has let people in the organization do their jobs. So I reject the notion that if Garrett continues to sputter next year that we can't fire him because no one will work with Jerry. I suspect there will be quite a few who would, largely because the culture around Dallas has changed as Stephen as gained more responsibility.

I am not even suggesting firing him now. Give him another year.

But if we are sitting here this time next year, after 7 years of Garrett and we failed to make the playoffs or we got booted against in our first playoff game, I think people suggesting we should keep Garrett longer are either just homers, blind or Garrett family members.

 

[Zman5]

JG is the ultimate politician. Mr. Teflon. He can do no wrong according to the JG's fan club.

When he was the OC and had a brain fart, it was Wade's fault. Wade's the HC and he should be responsible for everything.

Now that JG's the HC, if the OC has a brain fart, it's the OC fault.

It was Romo's fault that we don't run enough. Especially on short yardage situation. Romo changes the plays that was sent in. Well, we saw the same thing on Sunday and Romo wan't the QB .

JG built this great team yet all the bad defensive draft was all Jerry's doing. etc... etc...