Jason Garrett must go if this team wants a SB

[Direwolf63]

I've been a critic of Jason Garrett for a long time. His clock mismanagement, the weekly penalties that are like clockwork, the inexplicable habit of turning away from what works to the detriment of the team's success and the lack of playoff success...these things have pushed me to believe he needs to go.

This past game was the last straw. Zeke Elliot is the best player on offense and yet he only gets 23 touches. They come out looking completely unprepared on both sides of the ball. Multiple times in short yardage Zeke wasn't even on the field.

And the last series where the game was lost is solely on Jason Garrett. There is no defending it. A competent HC either wins the game there or leaves the Packers with so little time overtime is all but assured.

Jason Garrett has done all he can as the HC of this team. It will always end the same way with him. How many failed seasons does this guy get before he's held accountable? How many coordinators will they go through? How many QBs?

They need fresh blood on the sidelines. I know it won't happen but I feel it must for this team to get over the hump and win another Lombardi. Just MHO.

Yeah sure.

Forget the 13-3 record. Let's blow it all up and start from scratch. That's what all the other 13-3 teams do.

 

[Everson24]

Zeke being off the field on 3rd down situations ha to be part of the game plan reviewed by the HC

If he didn't know that was going to happen he really needs to go

I knew when Dak got sacked on that traditional play-action call early in the game, that if we knew we were going to pass the ball it would be out of shotgun and most likely with Zeke on the sideline. I still for the life of me can't figure out why we can't run play-action from under center with a great back like Zeke or run a traditional screen pass. These would both be great plays to maximize the threat of Zeke in the backfield.

 

[Sydla]

He should not be fired at this point. He deserves next year. But as I said in another thread, it's put up or shut up time. Enough of the BS that he's growing on the job. Coaches do that in their first couple of years on the job, not going into their 8th year.

If he fails to deliver a playoff win next year or worse, doesn't even make the playoffs, he should be fired. Unless he loses Prescott for 13 games or the team is just destroyed by injuries, there is no excuse whatsoever for this team to flame out early in the playoffs next year.

And if they do, he should be fired and any fan that then wants to talk about how he's growing or we need to give him more time should have their heads examined.

 

[p_tubbs]

Please pick another team? I've been a fan of this team since '02. I've never seen them win anything worthwhile yet I'm still here because I love the Dallas Cowboys. I watched every game last year because you won't find a bigger fan than me.

So forgive me for wanting more than being bounced from the playoffs once in while.

Now take your holier than thou nonsense and take a long walk off a short pier.

02? That long ? Wow! Dude please we have fans on here that's been Cowboys fans for over 40 years me included. I've been a fan since 1971 and in the entire time, I have never complained as much as some of you. So yes, once again go root for another team period. If this current team does not fit your liking than I would suggest finding another team to help you enjoying the feelings you seek.

 

[SlammedZero]

We've built something good with Garrett.. You keep him.

As frustrated as I am this year, I agree. Sure, he's not perfect, but his teams seem to play hard for him. Plus, the guy has never had a good defense as a coach. Ever. With that said, he seems to have the right idea about building this team and somehow has Jerrah and son on board, otherwise, we'd have had the like of Johnny Football. Now let's just all hope he puts his foot down this off-season about some defense.

I know it's a win now league, but when has a coaching turnover ever really helped propel a team into a dynasty? I think something should be said about longevity and consistency.

 

[dragon_mikal]

Yeah sure.

Forget the 13-3 record. Let's blow it all up and start from scratch. That's what all the other 13-3 teams do.

Do you get an award for winning 13 games in the regular season? No? Ok then.

Maybe Jerry can give him a participation trophy for making the playoffs.

 

[Sydla]

As frustrated as I am this year, I agree. Sure, he's not perfect, but his teams seem to play hard for him. Plus, the guy has never had a good defense as a coach. With that said he seems to have the right idea about building this team and somehow has Jerrah and son on board, otherwise we'd have had the like of Johnny Football. Now let's just all hope he puts his foot down this off-season about some defense.

Plus, I know it's a win now league, but when has a coaching turnover ever really helped propel a team into a dynasty? I think something should be said about longevity and consistency.

I would wager that the biggest influence in how they handle personnel isn't Garrett but rather Stephen Jones. He's the one that apparently had to talk Jerrah into signing off on Martin and not take Manziel.

 

[perrykemp]

Yeah sure.

Forget the 13-3 record. Let's blow it all up and start from scratch. That's what all the other 13-3 teams do.

Why torch it?

Tony Dungy got the Bucs to the playoffs in 1999, 2000, and 2001 -- each year failing to get to the Superbowl.

Eventually the front office made the decision he wasn't going to be able to get them to promised land.

They fired him, brought in Gruden, and got their ring.

They didn't have to blow anything up in the process.

 

[SlammedZero]

I would wager that the biggest influence in how they handle personnel isn't Garrett but rather Stephen Jones. He's the one that apparently had to talk Jerrah into signing off on Martin and not take Manziel.

Yeah, you may be absolutely correct there. He does seem to have better clarity than his dad does, thank the universe!

 

[dragon_mikal]

02? That long ? Wow! Dude please we have fans on here that's been Cowboys fans for over 40 years me included. I've been a fan since 1971 and in the entire time, I have never complained as much as some of you. So yes, once again go root for another team period. If this current team does not fit your liking than I would suggest finding another team to help you enjoying the feelings you seek.

You're a joke of a fan acting like your opinion matters more because your decades older than I am. Congrats on that?

Pretty dumb argument.

Newsflash...I'm a better fan than you are.

 

[Sydla]

Yeah sure.

Forget the 13-3 record. Let's blow it all up and start from scratch. That's what all the other 13-3 teams do.

I am not for firing Garrett right now but if Jerry woke up tomorrow and did it, I wouldn't think it's a horrible decision.

To suggest that firing Garrett would mean blowing up the entire thing and starting from scratch is poppycock and ridiculousness.

My personal opinion is that Garrett is a decent coach but simply won't be good enough to get us to where we want to go. Some coaches smack their ceiling and can't bust through. I worry Garrett is that guy. A guy, who if given a extremely talented team, can look great in the regular season but when the playoffs come and he faces equally talented teams with quality coaching, the Cowboys are at a disadvantage.

I hope I am wrong but failure to really succeed in the postseason next year should result in a firing. I am not interested in watching Garrett last 10-12 years with middling to substandard postseason results. I am not interested in wasting prime Dak, Elliott and Bryant years on wasting time figuring out if Garrett can eventually figure it out. We wasted Romo's prime years, I don't want to repeat that screw up.

It's time to deliver in 2017 or get the hell out IMO.

 

[SlammedZero]

I am not for firing Garrett right now but if Jerry woke up tomorrow and did it, I wouldn't think it's a horrible decision.

To suggest that firing Garrett would mean blowing up the entire thing and starting from scratch is poppycock and ridiculousness.

Agreed on this whole statement. There are some good pieces in place. I just don't know who's out there that could step in and instantly make you feel better.

 

[waving monkey]

He should not be fired at this point. He deserves next year. But as I said in another thread, it's put up or shut up time. Enough of the BS that he's growing on the job. Coaches do that in their first couple of years on the job, not going into their 8th year.

If he fails to deliver a playoff win next year or worse, doesn't even make the playoffs, he should be fired. Unless he loses Prescott for 13 games or the team is just destroyed by injuries, there is no excuse whatsoever for this team to flame out early in the playoffs next year.

And if they do, he should be fired and any fan that then wants to talk about how he's growing or we need to give him more time should have their heads examined.

Your going to disappointed and deservefly

 

[Sydla]

Your going to disappointed and deservefly

So if we win 12 games next year, win the East and then lose again at home in our first playoff game, you would think that Garrett should be allowed to continue as head coach?

Honest question. What will it take for you to realize Garrett might not be the coach that can win us a SB? How many years of playoff futility will it take for you to admit that maybe Garrett isn't the answer? 10 years? 12? 15?

 

[waving monkey]

So if we win 12 games next year, win the East and then lose again at home in our first playoff game, you would think that Garrett should be allowed to continue as head coach?

Honest question. What will it take for you to realize Garrett might not be the coach that can win us a SB? How many years of playoff futility will it take for you to admit that maybe Garrett isn't the answer? 10 years? 12? 15?

I know patience gets better results then the rapid firing cycles poor teams go through. I've stopped giving examples of reds qualities and disciplin.of you not like him words don't matter.we've been patient long enough you say? Well sorry brother , Jerry ain't fibrin red. Period.

 

[Direwolf63]

Why torch it?

Tony Dungy got the Bucs to the playoffs in 1999, 2000, and 2001 -- each year failing to get to the Superbowl.

Eventually the front office made the decision he wasn't going to be able to get them to promised land.

They fired him, brought in Gruden, and got their ring.

They didn't have to blow anything up in the process.

Have you forgotten who owns this team?

There are very, very few people who are willing to work with Jerry Jones and the system he's put in place. Those with a serious cache will want their say regarding personnel. It would take years before Jerry would trust anybody enough to give him that. This has to be done Jerry's way. Garrett seems OK with it. People like Kyle Shanahan or Josh McDaniels would not want to work under Jerry's thumb.

Garrett started out that way and had to earn Jerry's trust to get where he is today. Anybody coming in would have to start at the bottom and do what Jerry says.

Nobody would just be able to just sweep in here, bring in their own systems and do whatver he wants. The Cowboys have an atypical structure. So the thought process regarding the HC cannot be carried over from other teams.

 

[CapnCook]

The problem isn't Garrett - It's the lack of talent on the defensive side of the ball, and has been for the past 9 years since we've focused on nothing but surrounding Tony Romo with talent so he can heave the ball downfield.

This should be the last post on the 2016-2017 season, and the first post of the 2017-2018 season.

 

[BlueNSilver88]

Can we atleast hire like a "clock management" expert? Cuz he really has sucked at it for quite some time.

 

[p_tubbs]

You're a joke of a fan acting like your opinion matters more because your decades older than I am. Congrats on that?

Pretty dumb argument.

Newsflash...I'm a better fan than you are.

Dude you are an absolute IDIOT. You made my point neither of our opinionsavior matter to the Dallas Cowboys front office. That's why it's makes no sense for you to complain. So shut up and go cry yourself to sleep.

 

[ShortRound]

Have you forgotten who owns this team?

There are very, very few people who are willing to work with Jerry Jones and the system he's put in place. Those with a serious cache will want their say regarding personnel. It would take years before Jerry would trust anybody enough to give him that. This has to be done Jerry's way. Garrett seems OK with it. People like Kyle Shanahan or Josh McDaniels would not want to work under Jerry's thumb.

Garrett started out that way and had to earn Jerry's trust to get where he is today. Anybody coming in would have to start at the bottom and do what Jerry says.

Nobody would just be able to just sweep in here, bring in their own systems and do whatver he wants. The Cowboys have an atypical structure. So the thought process regarding the HC cannot be carried over from other teams.

I think I heard this point on the Ticket this morning. As much as people bag on Garrett (including me) there are not that many coaches that would work under Jerry. That being said if the team is moving in a positive direction I think Garrett stays and hope for the best the next few years.