Jason Garrett must go if this team wants a SB

[ShiningStar]

PS im up for critique on my choices if its valid. Thank you in advance.

 

[dragon_mikal]

Garrett has done wonder's with this team. Took 3 teams that should have won no more than 3 or 4 games to 8-8.. one to 12-4 and one to 13-3.. one bad season at 4-12 and it was bad, very bad. His clock management is just fine. Watch other games, every coach makes mistakes. And besides, even if were going to change coaches.. who? There is not one coach available or was available that would even be half as good as Garrett. Some of the hate on this board and from fans is just stupid.

LOL...yea it was Garrett that kept this team from the trash heap. Not #9. Jason Garrett.

Please.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

So you start this thread saying "I've been a critic of Jason Garrett....". So this thread is agenda based? What's the point?

 

[Jake]

I've been a critic of Jason Garrett for a long time.

I'm relatively new here, but when a guy starts a "fire the coach" thread after a 13-3 season (where all three losses were by 3 points or less*) it's a good bet he's been grinding his axe for a long time.


*Not counting the Eagles game, where survival was the goal more than victory.

 

[dragon_mikal]

I'm relatively new here, but when a guy starts a "fire the coach" thread after a 13-3 season (where all three losses were by 3 points or less*) it's a good bet he's has been grinding his axe for a long time.


*Not counting the Eagles game, where survival was the goal more than victory.

It's been since he iced his own kicker. Still peeved about that one.

 

[Sydla]

Part of success in the NFL is not being too predictable. We all see how play action is so effective due to the fear Zeke puts in defenders.
Lets look at a comparison between the first and second time we played the packers.
Week 6- 62 plays 424 yards 30 points.
Playoffs 64 plays 429 yards 31 points.

The difference is the packers turned the ball over 4 times in the first game.

Could we have played perfect on offense and scored 40 points? Maybe. It would have required this in order to win because even scoring 31 points and scoring on 6 of 9 offensive possessions wasn't enough last game. The last team with the ball was going to win that game.

Packers likely don't score what they did if the coaching staff has a smarter game plan on offense. To eschew the run at key times played right into the Packers hands because it maximized time and drives for Rodgers. It all works hand in hand.

Simply looking at points scored is just a rather simplistic way to look at the game, the flow of the game, etc.

 

[Sydla]

The rest if the NFC would be doing cartwheels if we got rid of Garrett. He helped build a strong nucleus on which to build on and his teams never quit.

Remember Wade Philips and Barry Switzers teams? Towards the end of their coaching stints, the team quit on them, and they were only head coaches here

for 3 and 4 years respectively.

Garrett has been here for 7 years and they fight right to the end, just like they did when he first started.

And has one playoff win in those 7 years. In the end, at some point results matter and outweigh things like the team liking him or playing hard for him. You don't get rings and trophies for playing hard.

We are quickly reaching the point where there has to be results. Never quitting isn't good enough anymore.

 

[Sydla]

If you want to dump the guy, fine. But I would really like to hear some names of who is ready to deal and work with Jerry Jones. I have given 5 names so far:

Jeff Fisher - Based in his head coaching track record, I don't see the team improving under him.
Norv Tuner - A fan favorite because of his time as a OC in Dallas. But his record is as a very good OC, but not a good HC. The offensive version of Wade Phillips. We tried Wade and it didn't work.
Mike Shanahan - Hasn't coached in forever. Risk here is that the game has passed him by.
Sean Peyton - Took N.O. from nowhere to the Super Bowl back down to mediocrity. All that with a Hall of Fame QB. I might by OK with him. Just worried about the defense. Based on the results in N.O., he seems to show little interest on that side of the ball.
Scott Linehan - No success his previous stint as a HC with the Rams. Not sure he would be any better than we already have.

So other than perhaps Peyton, I don't see any saviors here who will work with Jerry.

So I have come up with some names and have struck out. Who else is there that is worth starting over for?

If you are dumping the HC, you need to replace him with somebody, unless we decide to leave to position vacant. It's easy to say dump the coach. It's a little tougher to figure out who yo replace him with. Especially under the current managment structure of the team.

Again, you have no idea who would or would not want the job. Stop acting like you do. Further, stop acting like Jerry is the lone voice in the front office anymore. The front office culture is completely different now than it was when Garrett was given the head gig or when Parcells was hired, etc.

 

[Zman5]

Except for the fact that it was successful. You have a rookie qb and for 2 quarters, he outplayed one of the best in the game. The problem, was its a 4 Q game. The first 2 Q count and we were down quick and by a lot. Takes the running game out of the game plan.

Last time I checked we lost. If you think losing is successful, I don't know what to tell you. I prefer winning.

BTW, we took the running game out of the game plan on the first drive when we had 3rd and 2. The score was 0-0.

 

[mattjames2010]

> Garrett praised all season, up for COTY award
> GARETT HAS TO GO! REEEE!

 

[Direwolf63]

Again, you have no idea who would or would not want the job. Stop acting like you do. Further, stop acting like Jerry is the lone voice in the front office anymore. The front office culture is completely different now than it was when Garrett was given the head gig or when Parcells was hired, etc.

I rejoin this conversation as soon as Garrett is shown the door. Which I guess is any minue now.

 

[Sydla]

I rejoin this conversation as soon as Garrett is shown the door. Which I guess is any minue now.

Not really. He deserves the 2017 season. But he better deliver. Another early playoff flame out or worse, not making the playoffs, and he should be shown the door IMO.

 

[gmoney112]

What really needs to happen is Jerry needs to put a few mill in the "Save an NFL ref" fund.

Yep, some significant coaching mistakes in that game. He definitely wasn't perfect.

But, the team just went 13-3 with a rookie QB, who set all kinds of records, and a rookie RB who just won Rookie of the Year awards. A historical season in that regard. Do people think that's easy?

In the future, I think they'll give Dak a little more leash. Him and Zeke have a good relationship that'll only get better. Future short yardage plays will be the Zeke show courtesy of Dak's awareness.

 

[DejectedFan1996]

Jason Garrett: The present day Marty Schottonheimer

 

[fairviewfarmer]

Again, Jerry doesn't have complete control anymore. He has taken a lot of advice and given up some power to Stephen. That started right around the time we started to get smarter in free agency and drafting.

My wild guess is that it wouldn't be Jerry hiring a coach by himself. Stephen would be very much involved.

But that also raises another interesting situation. It's been said that Red and Stephen are pretty close having worked together and being similar in age. It might not crazy to think Stephen would have trouble pulling the trigger on Garrett if things did go south here.

so who do we realistically get ?

 

[mugsybows]

Yeah I agree. I really think he's just considered a joke/the most unthreatening coach in the NFL. He's been the one constant in the mediocrity. Sad thing is there really aren't any great coaches left out there.

 

[CWR]

Not really. He deserves the 2017 season. But he better deliver. Another early playoff flame out or worse, not making the playoffs, and he should be shown the door IMO.

Agreed. The coaches have to get some credit for managing a rookie QB to a 13-3 record. Garrett does alot of things very well, however his in game management can be maddening at times. What this team hasnt done in forever is have back to back great seasons. Anything short of that and he needs to be shown the door.

 

[BigD16]

Jason Garrett is going to need to have a much more talented team than the opposition in order for the Cowboys to win in the postseason. We have no coach advantage over other teams. We win in spite of Garrett. He's especially bad on game days when he has to be aware of situations (we've all seen the screw ups).

I think he would be a good GM though because he is smart, I guess it's just the pressure of gamedays get to him or something.

 

[fifaguy]

Jason Garrett is going to need to have a much more talented team than the opposition in order for the Cowboys to win in the postseason. We have no coach advantage over other teams. We win in spite of Garrett. He's especially bad on game days when he has to be aware of situations (we've all seen the screw ups).

I think he would be a good GM though because he is smart, I guess it's just the pressure of gamedays get to him or something.

He's basically a bus driver (of sorts)....

 

[Asklesko]

look at the falcons. firing a middling coach and hiring a better one works. too bad we won't do it.