CFZ Jason Garrett vs Mike McCarthy

charron

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I understand that part, but I'd imagine that Jerry probably would've allowed Garrett to sack Marinelli if he wanted him gone. Put it this way. If it was a decision between Garrett or Marinelli to lose their job in say, 2017, who would Jerry have chosen?
If Garrett could have fired Marinelli and didn't that is a legit crime and should be prosecuted. Mike being able to get rid of KM tells me that he either has more power or isn't afraid to assert himself to get his way and this is essential to a HC.
 

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its nothing to compare imo

Garrett had no business being a Head Coach in the NFL and less of any business calling plays....You see the Giants didnt waste time with him as OC....The only thing Garrett was good at was motivating players to play

McCarthy is a great HC and can make adjustments and the only reason people bag on him is because hes our coach and they hate everything about their own team....Does he make some questionable 4th down decision? yes but ill take back to back 12-5 and even at 6-10 in 2020 with the 43rd ranked defense we missed the playoffs by 1 game

Exactly, and I'll take the decisions on 4th down that you mentioned because at least the logic is there. He at least seems to use logic with his decisions. Like I said, Garrett played to not lose. Mike plays to win. That's a big difference.
 

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Garrett, king of the 8-8, or should I say Clown of the 8-8. Four 8-8's in 10 years, holy cow. He should go to Vegas and place his life savings on the roulette wheel # 8.
 

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If Garrett could have fired Marinelli and didn't that is a legit crime and should be prosecuted. Mike being able to get rid of KM tells me that he either has more power or isn't afraid to assert himself to get his way and this is essential to a HC.

Well, and that alone shows the difference, does it not? Garrett was willing to take what he was given. Mike demands better. He demanded a change of OC. He demanded a change at DC (for better or worse with Nolan and now, for better, with Quinn). He demanded a change at ST Coach with Bones. So, I would say that's a big difference. Garrett just seemed to be happy to have the job. Mike seems to be commanding his job (as much as he can with Jerry).
 

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What will it say about the Cowboys organization under Jethro and Son if an experienced and proven HC doesn’t take the Cowboys any further in the playoffs ?
 

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For the love of god WHY? MY PTSD kicked in now I'm all haywire.:mad:
 

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My logic? This thread is comparing HC's records that are nearly 10 years apart with vastly different rosters.....and defending it is the illogical part.

In MM's first 3 years as HC of GB he went 27-21 while going 1-1 in the playoffs.....so what does that mean if comparing him to himself with Dallas wherein he has gone 30-20 while going 1-2 in the playoffs???? Nothing. That said so Garrett went 24-24 his first 3 seasons as HC so compared to MM's first 3 years as the GB HC with his 27-21 record then it is obvious MM is only 3 games better than Garrett as a HC, right?????
And one 1st round playoff win against a horrible losing team. Don't forget that bright spot!
 

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So why not compare MM to Landry? I mean, if we are going to compare coaches from over a decade apart with many different player rosters on both Dallas and other teams.......so stupid.
Explain them being a decade apart.
 

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That makes no sense. So Barry Switzer was a great coach because he picked up where Jimmy Johnson left off? Oh the logic of some people.

Are you still upset JG is gone? Serious question. The argument you’re trying to make has zero to do with what the OP is even talking about.
:huh:
 

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Are you still upset JG is gone? Serious question. The argument you’re trying to make has zero to do with what the OP is even talking about.
:huh:
Really? Comparing JG his first 3 years versus MM his first 3 years in Dallas make sense?
 

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So why not compare MM to Landry? I mean, if we are going to compare coaches from over a decade apart with many different player rosters on both Dallas and other teams.......so stupid.
Damn you are bitter and old you need another week off I never seen someone so mean just to be mean.
 

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Yeah go cry to mommy as you and the special ones do daily.
You cry more than anyone though lol. I like being around my old people because of their wisdom and typically a joy to be around. I can’t imagine being around the likes of you. Who wants to be around someone this miserable and mean?
 

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What will it say about the Cowboys organization under Jethro and Son if an experienced and proven HC doesn’t take the Cowboys any further in the playoffs ?

I mean, it begs the question as to who can win under them if that's the case? As you stated, we actually have an experienced HC who has a long history of winning a lot of games (reg and postseason with 1 Lombardi).
 

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Now that we have had 3 years of Mike McCarthy, I'm going to do a head to head comparison of the first 3 years of Jason Garrett and Mike McCarthy. Then, for a bonus, I'll point something out that I've noticed about Mike.

Jason Garrett:
2011 (first full year) - 8-8 - Garrett showed some promise this season. The team really should've won the division in 2011. Unfortunately, the team collapsed and allowed the Giants to win it all.

2012 - 8-8 - this was about when things looked to be meh with Garrett. One of which was an absolute demolition we had on Monday Night against the Bears. We were also unable to stop RG3 as Washington swept us that year.

2013 - 8-8 - This season featured some heartbreaking losses against the Chargers and Broncos (this was the game where we learned what a morale victory was). We also got absolutely embarrassed against New Orleans. This was a game where it appeared that Garrett was completely outclassed. No matter what the team tried, Sean Payton was 3 steps ahead. Romo was injured in the win against Washington, and Orton would take over the next week against Philly and lose. This secured our 3rd straight 8-8 season.

Now for Mike McCarthy:
2020 6-10 - Painful year. Granted, there was a situation that year that prevented a proper offseason schedule. Additionally, we had 4 different QBs start that year. However, the defence was the worst we'd had since possibly 2013. This was McCarthy's fault as he brought in Mike Nolan, who clearly didn't work.

2021 12-4 (WC Loss) - The Cowboys sacked Nolan and replaced him with Dan Quinn and drafted Micah Parsons. It was during this season that the defence really improved. The Cowboys offense played well, and we won a game with Rush starting against the Vikings. This is an improvement season. We also saw adjustments being made during games. Ultimately, the Cowboys had a solid season, but lost to the 49ers in the WC Round.

2022 12-5 (WC Win, DR Loss) - the Cowboys finished with a similar record, but played well. Especially since we had a backup playing for 5 games who won 4 games. The team won a playoff game against the Bucs before falling to the 49ers.

I use 3 years as, just as with a QB, you sort of know what you have at HC by year 3. I think Mike has taken this team higher than Garrett did in their first 3 years. He also has been better when it comes to using a backup QB as Garrett couldn't use one. This is highlighted by the fact that both coaches had Rush, and Rush has been much better under McCarthy. This shows that coaching matters. As for what I've noticed. Under Garrett, there were games when things weren't going our way, and the team would give up. He didn't adjust well. McCarthy is the opposite. There's always seems to actually be a plan for each team as opposed to copying the same plan every game and daring the opposite team to stop us. He also adjusts, which was noticeably lacking with Garrett.

Moral of the story, coaching matters. A competent coach, as this story shows, makes a world of difference.
Spending 9.5 years on Garrett was a major indictment that Jerry has no business being a GM.
It was obvious after the first few seasons that Garrett was not a high quality HC.
Instead of replacing Garrett, Jerry doubled down and wasted years of this franchise.
 

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I mean, it begs the question as to who can win under them if that's the case? As you stated, we actually have an experienced HC who has a long history of winning a lot of games (reg and postseason with 1 Lombardi).
I never felt like they hired the best candidate possible. They’ve had some horrible coaching decisions and I feel McCarthy was one. It’s working out but how they hired him was silly.
 

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Spending 9.5 years on Garrett was a major indictment that Jerry has no business being a GM.
It was obvious after the first few seasons that Garrett was not a high quality HC.
Instead of replacing Garrett, Jerry doubled down and wasted years of this franchise.

Exactly, and I think it was clear after 2013 that the trajectory of the franchise under Garrett wasn't promising. With Mike, we have a promising future, imo. That's one of the differences.
 
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